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14:56:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:56:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 56 minutes ago
14:56:01 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:56:01 <trackbot> Date: 17 October 2013
14:56:14 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:56:14 <Zakim> I notice WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has restarted
14:56:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P11
14:56:27 <janina> zakim, ??P11 is me
14:56:27 <Zakim> +janina; got it
14:56:37 <janina> agenda?
14:56:50 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
14:56:50 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:57:15 <Zakim> +Mark_Sadecki
14:58:38 <MarkS> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
14:58:39 <MarkS> Chair: Chaals
14:58:40 <MarkS> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:58:42 <MarkS> agenda+	CfC determination for Revised Work Statement and Decision Procedures
14:58:43 <MarkS> agenda+	Longdesc LC Comments CfC
14:58:45 <MarkS> agenda+	Longdesc Testing
14:58:46 <MarkS> agenda+	MSE Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0018.html
14:58:48 <MarkS> agenda+	Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media;
14:58:49 <MarkS> agenda+ Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF
14:58:51 <MarkS> agenda+	HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist
14:58:52 <MarkS> agenda+	Other Business
14:58:53 <MarkS> agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:58:54 <MarkS> agenda+ be done
14:59:32 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
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15:00:14 <Zakim> +Adrian_Roselli
15:00:22 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:01:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:01:30 <chaals> zakim, [ipca is me
15:01:30 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
15:01:38 <chaals> zakim, who is here?
15:01:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, Mark_Sadecki, Cynthia_Shelly, Adrian_Roselli, David_MacDonald, chaals
15:01:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see David, aardrian, RRSAgent, davidb, SteveF, chaals, trackbot, MarkS, janina, Zakim, hober
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15:01:51 <chaals> zakim, agenda?
15:01:51 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda:
15:01:53 <Zakim> 1. Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from MarkS]
15:01:53 <Zakim> 2. CfC determination for Revised Work Statement and Decision Procedures [from MarkS]
15:01:53 <Zakim> 3. Longdesc LC Comments CfC [from MarkS]
15:01:53 <Zakim> 4. Longdesc Testing [from MarkS]
15:01:53 <Zakim> 5. MSE Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0018.html [from MarkS]
15:01:54 <Zakim> 6. Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media; [from MarkS]
15:01:54 <Zakim> 7. Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [from MarkS]
15:01:54 <Zakim> 8. HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist [from MarkS]
15:01:54 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from MarkS]
15:01:54 <Zakim> 10. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from MarkS]
15:01:55 <Zakim> 11. be done [from MarkS]
15:01:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:07 <chaals> zakim, [ipc is leonie
15:02:07 <Zakim> +leonie; got it
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15:02:44 <MarkS> scribe: MarkS
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15:02:58 <chaals> zakim, next agendum
15:02:58 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from MarkS]
15:03:11 <chaals> CMN: someone who isn't Leonie :)
15:03:16 <chaals> zakim, close this agendum
15:03:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
15:03:17 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:03:17 <Zakim> 2. CfC determination for Revised Work Statement and Decision Procedures [from MarkS]
15:03:24 <Zakim> +Kenny
15:03:27 <Zakim> +Judy
15:04:36 <MarkS> CN: CfC passes in the TF. HTML WG will most likely wait for PF to approve the new work statement and consensus procedures
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15:05:21 <chaals> Topic: Introducing Kenny
15:05:38 <chaals> zakim, unmute kenny
15:05:38 <Zakim> Kenny should no longer be muted
15:05:50 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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15:07:03 <chaals> zakim, next item
15:07:03 <Zakim> agendum 2. "CfC determination for Revised Work Statement and Decision Procedures" taken up [from MarkS]
15:07:10 <chaals> zakim, close agendum 2
15:07:10 <Zakim> agendum 2, CfC determination for Revised Work Statement and Decision Procedures, closed
15:07:12 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:07:12 <Zakim> 3. Longdesc LC Comments CfC [from MarkS]
15:08:01 <chaals> -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Longdesc-comments discussion / development of responses to LC comments
15:08:03 <MarkS> CN: ready to propose a set of resolutions to the comments received during the LC comment period
15:08:25 <MarkS> …we have a survey that we will put as a formal call for consensus that will run through the next week.
15:08:33 <MarkS> …most comments are editorial in nature.
15:09:23 <MarkS> …in response to James Craig, there is a new 'should' requirement.  It is possible that this will require an additional LC period.  If so, it would add 3 weeks to the longdesc timeline.
15:09:46 <MarkS> …please review the comments, look carefully at the proposed changes to the spec in addition to the responses.
15:10:20 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/ProposedLongdescCommentResponses/
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15:10:41 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
15:10:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
15:10:44 <paulc_> q+
15:11:21 <chaals> ack pau
15:11:37 <MarkS> MS: it is now open through next friday
15:12:45 <MarkS> PC: is this CfC subject to the old TF rules or the new TF rules (7 days, spanning a meeting)
15:13:00 <MarkS> CN: this satisfies the old requirements (and the new)
15:13:51 <chaals> zakim, close agendum 3
15:13:51 <Zakim> agendum 3, Longdesc LC Comments CfC, closed
15:13:52 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:13:52 <Zakim> 4. Longdesc Testing [from MarkS]
15:14:41 <MarkS> CN: we have accepted as a group, a set of 20 tests, with results for many of those.  We are still looking for results on AAPIs
15:15:44 <MarkS> MS: David and I will finish testing and record results by end of day tomorrow
15:16:06 <MarkS> CN: These tests should now be entered into the HTML testing framework.
15:16:42 <MarkS> JS: In last week kris mentioned that it shouldn't be too difficult to get our tests into the HTML test suite.
15:17:04 <MarkS> MS: I can work with the HTML testing TF to get those tests in there.
15:17:14 <chaals> -> http://github.com/chaals
15:17:28 <MarkS> LW: can I shadow you during that process?
15:17:32 <MarkS> DM: me too
15:17:42 <MarkS> MS: yes I can
15:17:52 <chaals> s/chaals/chaals chaals' github account (the test results are in longdesc-tests)/
15:18:07 <chaals> ACTION: marks to coordinate putting the tests into the HTML harness
15:18:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Coordinate putting the tests into the html harness [on Mark Sadecki - due 2013-10-24].
15:18:25 <chaals> zakim, close agendum 4
15:18:25 <Zakim> agendum 4, Longdesc Testing, closed
15:18:26 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:18:26 <Zakim> 5. MSE Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0018.html [from MarkS]
15:19:16 <MarkS> CN: We have been asked to review MSE for accessibility support.  Are there any particular comments, results.
15:19:49 <MarkS> AR: I sat down last night to look at MSE. Was concerned with text track, syncing of video, etc.  I did not see any major concerns.
15:20:34 <MarkS> CN: The key thing to be sure of is that synchronized tracks don't get lost or out of sync when you move through the media timeline.  Should we ask the group to clarify that question?
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15:20:46 <MarkS> …would help to ask them explicitly
15:21:06 <MarkS> AR: I think there is value in having them state that explicitly.
15:21:06 <paulc_> paulc
15:21:10 <paulc_> q+
15:21:58 <MarkS> JS: It was not clear during my review with Mark that the requirement the TF has for keeping two video tracks synchronized was met (sign language video) We should ask that question as well
15:22:00 <chaals> ak pau
15:22:10 <chaals> s/ak pau/ack paul/
15:22:26 <MarkS> PC: why are these questions not pertinent to the HTML5 spec?
15:24:00 <MarkS> AR: I think it should be addressed in HTML5 as well, but this spec addresses certain technical requirements that are important to this functionality.
15:24:40 <MarkS> CN: the kind of change we want is to be explicit that accessibility/parallel tracks to be synchronized when you move/jump around the timeline.
15:25:33 <chaals> ACTION: chaals to request that the MSE spec be explicit that parallel tracks (e.g. for accessibility) need to be re-synched when jumping around a streamed resource
15:25:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Request that the mse spec be explicit that parallel tracks (e.g. for accessibility) need to be re-synched when jumping around a streamed resource [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-10-24].
15:25:42 <chaals> action-209 due today
15:25:43 <trackbot> Set action-209 Request that the mse spec be explicit that parallel tracks (e.g. for accessibility) need to be re-synched when jumping around a streamed resource due date to 2013-10-17.
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15:26:44 <MarkS> PC: maybe its 2.4.5 Changes to selected/enabled track state
15:26:54 <MarkS> …deals with synchronization.
15:27:07 <paulc_> 2.4.5 Changes to selected/enabled track state
15:27:25 <paulc_> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-source/#active-source-buffer-changes
15:27:43 <chaals> zakim, close agendum 5
15:27:43 <Zakim> agendum 5, MSE Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0018.html, closed
15:27:45 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:27:45 <Zakim> 6. Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media; [from MarkS]
15:28:58 <chaals> zakim, close this agendum
15:28:58 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, chaals
15:29:03 <chaals> zakim, close agendum 6
15:29:03 <Zakim> agendum 6, Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media;, closed
15:29:04 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:29:04 <Zakim> 7. Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [from MarkS]
15:29:11 <chaals> Topic: Bug Triage
15:29:54 <MarkS> a11ytf keyword, marked as resolved and either won’t fix, needs info, or later: http://is.gd/VkTxop
15:31:12 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10905
15:33:51 <MarkS> CN: I think command is being dropped from HTML5 and that is how accesskey worked
15:34:43 <MarkS> …lets leave it as resolve later.  I will take a look at it
15:34:58 <MarkS> JS: I think command is something we should take up in 5.1
15:35:44 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10782
15:35:51 <MarkS> problems with button example for accesskey
15:36:13 <MarkS> CN: I will need to look carefully at this one (in the spec) before I can comment
15:36:27 <MarkS> …suggest to leave it for now and assign me an action item
15:36:54 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10888
15:37:01 <MarkS> Access Command Requirements for HTML5
15:37:18 <MarkS> CN: Will leave this one until we're happy with how it all pans out
15:37:25 <MarkS> …this is master bug
15:37:43 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10994
15:37:47 <MarkS> accessKeyLabel can expose new information about the user and possibly also other origins
15:38:09 <MarkS> CN: also not clear if accesskey label is a good solution.  I would like to open this bug
15:38:56 <MarkS> …because the problem exists.
15:39:08 <MarkS> …suggest we reopen this bug and re-examine it.
15:40:05 <MarkS> CN: will have to re-target it since it is currently targeted at LC1
15:40:52 <MarkS> JS: seems like we should target all of these accesskey related bugs to HTML5.1
15:41:53 <MarkS> PC: are you actually talking about taking this bug, opening a new one with a new target (5.1) and pointing back to this one?
15:42:24 <MarkS> CN: No, I propose we re-open this bug and change the component to a future product.
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15:42:38 <MarkS> PC: we don't change components because we lose the history
15:43:18 <MarkS> …you should open a new bug and link it back to this one.
15:43:51 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13451
15:43:54 <MarkS> Don't disallow image map on object
15:45:25 <MarkS> CN: don't think there is a specific impact here.  Not sure what to do with this one.
15:45:25 <MarkS> JS: I'm not clear what the tie-in is
15:45:38 <Zakim> -chaals
15:46:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:46:23 <chaals> zakim, [ipca is me
15:46:23 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
15:47:27 <chaals> s/impact here/impact here, and there is almost no browser implmentation/
15:48:20 <chaals> [I propose that we leave this as resolved and pick some other battles]
15:48:51 <chaals> RESOLUTION: close bug 13451
15:48:56 <cyns> I have a bit of new business to add to the end
15:48:59 <Zakim> -chaals
15:49:02 <MarkS> done
15:49:29 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10252
15:49:33 <MarkS> HTML5 hard-binds "Action" to accesskey key-press
15:49:49 <MarkS> JS: Same solution as before?
15:50:03 <MarkS> [agreement]
15:50:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:50:26 <cyns> I'd like to put canvas accessibility and staging across 5.0, 5.1 and beyond on the agenda for next week.  Have some IE folks interested in attending to disucss
15:50:31 <MarkS> JS: it is possible that accesskey gets superseded by landmarks
15:50:54 <chaals> [I am not happy to drop this bug yet]
15:51:11 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:51:17 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11140
15:51:21 <MarkS> Subject: Physical Keys and Gestures for "accesskey" attribute The use of ASCII/Unicode code points for key binding has numerous well-known drawbacks. There are vital physical keyboard keys with no Unicode representation. Even for the main alphabet keys sp
15:51:24 <cyns> on cavas, wondering who besides Rich needs to be there?
15:51:37 <MarkS> JS: propose the same solution as other accesskey bugs
15:51:44 <MarkS> [agreement]
15:52:01 <janina> Cyns, don't understand 'cavas'
15:52:05 <chaals> [you mean leave them as is, or give up on them? (I am not happy taht we give up on them)]
15:52:19 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13511
15:52:23 <MarkS> document parsing should discuss setting up accessibility APIs
15:52:44 <janina> Charles, treat as with other AccessKey related -- move to html.next
15:52:54 <chaals> [OK]
15:53:02 <MarkS> CS: since the spec we need to reference is not ready yet, we should create a new bug in 5.1 and link to this one
15:53:42 <janina> Yes, Can do
15:53:43 <MarkS> ACTION: Cyns to create new bug  HTML5.1 and link to original  13511
15:53:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-210 - Create new bug  html5.1 and link to original  13511 [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-10-24].
15:54:06 <MarkS> zakim, agenda?
15:54:06 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
15:54:07 <Zakim> 7. Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [from MarkS]
15:54:07 <Zakim> 8. HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist [from MarkS]
15:54:07 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from MarkS]
15:54:07 <Zakim> 10. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from MarkS]
15:54:13 <MarkS> zakim, close item 7
15:54:13 <Zakim> agendum 7, Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF, closed
15:54:14 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:54:14 <Zakim> 8. HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist [from MarkS]
15:54:29 <MarkS> agenda+ staging canvas
15:54:36 <MarkS> zakim, take up item 12
15:54:36 <Zakim> agendum 12. "staging canvas" taken up [from MarkS]
15:55:28 <MarkS> CS: can we put canvas on the agenda for two weeks from today?
15:55:48 <paulc_> Ted from Apple?
15:55:55 <MarkS> JS: I think we should start the canvas sub team up again.  Steve, Rich, Mark Pritchard, Frank Olivier was active in that, and a few others.
15:56:07 <MarkS> PC: was hober involved?
15:56:32 <MarkS> CS: I know Rich was really driving it.
15:57:40 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:58:24 <MarkS> JS: agree to put this on the schedule in two weeks.
15:58:27 <Zakim> -leonie
15:58:29 <Zakim> -janina
15:58:30 <Zakim> -Judy
15:58:31 <Zakim> -Mark_Sadecki
15:58:32 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:58:33 <Zakim> -Adrian_Roselli
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15:58:37 <Zakim> -Kenny
15:58:37 <janina> call 2265
15:58:48 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
16:00:38 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:00:40 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
16:00:40 <Zakim> Attendees were janina, Mark_Sadecki, Cynthia_Shelly, Adrian_Roselli, David_MacDonald, [IPcaller], chaals, leonie, Kenny, Judy, [Microsoft]
16:01:45 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS