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13:48:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
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13:48:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:48:07 <trackbot> Date: 17 October 2013
13:48:20 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0131.html
13:48:32 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0131.html
13:51:53 <fjh> Regrets+ Jean-Claude_Dufourd
13:52:15 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
13:52:19 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
13:52:31 <fjh> Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
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13:56:48 <LisaDeLuca_IBM> @anssik, I just sent you an email with some thoughts for additional battery tests
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14:01:38 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:01:38 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:01:41 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_DeLuca, Milan_Patel, fjh, gmandyam
14:01:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see gmandyam, lgombos, Milan_Patel, LisaDeLuca_IBM, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tobie, trackbot, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, anssik, mounir
14:02:09 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:02:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-dap-minutes.html fjh
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14:04:07 <anssik> zakim, ??P36 is me
14:04:07 <Zakim> +anssik; got it
14:04:14 <anssik> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:04:25 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
14:05:38 <fjh> UPnP Forum gave final approval status to the SensorManagement device control protocol (DCP) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0103.html
14:07:05 <fjh> fjh: in two weeks if you are in Europe you need to be aware of different time for call due to daylight savings time difference, 31 Oct
14:07:06 <fjh> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2013Oct/0001.html
14:07:30 <fjh> Topic: Minutes approval
14:07:48 <fjh> Approve minutes from 10 October 2013
14:07:48 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/att-0128/minutes-2013-10-10.html
14:07:51 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 10 October 2013 are approved
14:08:05 <fjh> Topic: Proximity and Light
14:08:07 <fjh> no discussion
14:08:20 <fjh> Topic: Battery
14:08:38 <fjh> fjh: Lisa shared some information with Anssi offline
14:08:49 <fjh> … regarding spec suggestions
14:08:56 <fjh> s/fjh/LisaDeLuca_IBM/
14:09:06 <fjh> Topic: VIbration
14:09:18 <fjh> ISSUE-149?
14:09:18 <trackbot> ISSUE-149 -- handling of long vibration list - truncate or no vibration at all -- open
14:09:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/149
14:09:51 <fjh> fjh: what about the Note
14:10:15 <fjh> anssik: asked for implementer feedback, got some feedback could go either way
14:10:29 <fjh> fjh: why don't you put it in
14:12:24 <fjh> anssik: how should we put this in
14:13:18 <fjh> fjh: I suggest we put a '(Note)' with the word Note hyperlinked to the note at the end of the section, simply a href to id on div for Note
14:13:31 <fjh> anssik: ok I'll figure out how to put it in
14:13:44 <fjh> ISSUE-155?
14:13:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- Enable Feature Detection -- open
14:13:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/155
14:13:54 <fjh> action_668?
14:14:00 <fjh> action-668?
14:14:01 <trackbot> action-668 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Respond to michael re issue-155 , existing implementations, v2 possibility -- due 2013-10-17 -- OPEN
14:14:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/668
14:14:11 <fjh> anssik: sent message on list before call, so action is compelted
14:14:19 <anssik> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0135.html
14:14:25 <fjh> s/compelted/completed/
14:15:50 <fjh> action-668: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0135.html
14:15:50 <trackbot> Notes added to action-668 Respond to michael re issue-155 , existing implementations, v2 possibility.
14:16:00 <fjh> close ACTION-668
14:16:01 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-668.
14:16:02 <fjh> q?
14:16:22 <fjh> gmandyam: in SysApps defining device capability API
14:16:41 <fjh> … thus better to use that API rather than baking it into the API itself
14:16:47 <fjh> … this is another reason to defer this
14:17:48 <fjh> Topic: Note publication
14:17:53 <fjh> Updated CfC (ends 29 Oct): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0130.html
14:19:43 <fjh> fjh: I've updated the CfC to include Wayne's approach of publishing a short note that updates the status and links to the previous publication and editors draft
14:20:55 <fjh> anssik: I can help creating the new short note
14:21:21 <fjh> fjh: I can help with the status text
14:21:31 <fjh> fjh: we need to be aware of publishing moratorium
14:21:51 <fjh> Topic: Network Service Discovery
14:21:56 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:21:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_DeLuca, Milan_Patel, fjh, gmandyam, anssik
14:21:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see gmandyam, lgombos, Milan_Patel, LisaDeLuca_IBM, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tobie, trackbot, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, anssik, mounir
14:22:22 <fjh> gmandyam: posted note to Sysapps list yesterday whether we can use zip referencing mechanism
14:22:39 <fjh> s/posted/Rich posted/
14:24:48 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sysapps/2013Oct/0042.html
14:24:57 <gmandyam> To clarify:  Rich posted a query to the SysApps mailing list as to whether app:URI could be used for NSD to satisfy the current security concerns.  The idea (as I understood it) is that app:URI could serve as a proxy for locally networked device service discovery.
14:27:18 <fjh> fjh:am in process of checking on security review with focus on CORS, checking with Brad Hill, will not be at TPAC but at some other time
14:27:48 <fjh> fjh: also checking with PING chairs and Rich to arrange overview of spec for privacy group to be followed with privacy review
14:27:52 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:27:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_DeLuca, Milan_Patel, fjh, gmandyam, anssik
14:27:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see gmandyam, lgombos, Milan_Patel, LisaDeLuca_IBM, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tobie, trackbot, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, anssik, mounir
14:28:28 <fjh> fjh: we do not have active list discussion participants on the call today so will defer
14:28:45 <fjh> Topic: Action Review
14:29:19 <fjh> fjh: please review your open actions http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/open
14:30:47 <Zakim> -anssik
14:30:48 <Zakim> -gmandyam
14:30:49 <Zakim> -Milan_Patel
14:31:09 <fjh> Pending Actaions
14:31:18 <fjh> s/Actaions/Actions/
14:31:27 <fjh> ACTION-659?
14:31:27 <trackbot> ACTION-659 -- Frederick Hirsch to Review web notifications last call specification -- due 2013-09-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:31:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/659
14:32:04 <fjh> ACTION-659: comments at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-notification/2013Oct/0003.html
14:32:04 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-659 Review web notifications last call specification.
14:32:10 <fjh> close ACTION-659
14:32:10 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-659.
14:32:19 <fjh> ACTION-663?
14:32:19 <trackbot> ACTION-663 -- Frederick Hirsch to Respond regarding issue-153 that it is closed -- due 2013-10-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:32:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/663
14:32:24 <fjh> close ACTION-663
14:32:24 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-663.
14:32:29 <fjh> ACTION-664?
14:32:29 <trackbot> ACTION-664 -- Frederick Hirsch to Respond indicating issue-152 deferred, suggesting more detailed use case/requriements for v.next -- due 2013-10-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:32:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/664
14:32:33 <fjh> close ACTION-664
14:32:33 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-664.
14:32:38 <fjh> action-667?
14:32:38 <trackbot> action-667 -- Frederick Hirsch to Draft note corresponding to resolution -- due 2013-10-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:32:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/667
14:32:42 <fjh> close ACTION-667
14:32:42 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-667.
14:32:46 <fjh> ACTION-669?
14:32:46 <trackbot> ACTION-669 -- Frederick Hirsch to Send CfC to publish Notes for shelved drafts with WD publications in TR -- due 2013-10-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:32:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/669
14:32:51 <fjh> close ACTION-669
14:32:51 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-669.
14:32:59 <fjh> Topic: Other Business
14:33:23 <fjh> fjh: No call next week; the next call is 31 Oct (in two weeks). If you are in Europe it is an hour earlier.
14:33:28 <fjh> no other business
14:33:30 <fjh> Topic: Adjourn
14:33:36 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:33:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:33:56 <Zakim> +Cathy
14:34:12 <Zakim> -Cathy
14:34:30 <Zakim> -fjh
14:34:47 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:34:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_DeLuca
14:34:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see lgombos, Milan_Patel, LisaDeLuca_IBM, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tobie, trackbot, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, anssik, mounir
14:35:23 <fjh> Present+ Giri_Mandyam
14:35:54 <fjh> s/no discussion/fjh: No new material to discuss
14:35:59 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:35:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:36:37 <fjh> s/action_668?//
14:37:12 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:37:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-dap-minutes.html fjh
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14:38:57 <Zakim> Attendees were Milan_Patel, Lisa_DeLuca, gmandyam, fjh, anssik, Cathy
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14:39:51 <Clarke> OK, just noticed it was on Thursday
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