12:17:24 RRSAgent has joined #webmob 12:17:24 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-webmob-irc 12:17:26 RRSAgent, make logs 306 12:17:26 Zakim has joined #webmob 12:17:28 Zakim, this will be 12:17:28 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 12:17:29 Meeting: Web and Mobile Interest Group Teleconference 12:17:29 Date: 10 October 2013 12:17:32 RRSAgent, make log public 12:17:36 Zakim, this will be webmob 12:17:37 ok, dom; I see UW_(WEBM)9:00AM scheduled to start in 43 minutes 12:44:24 :D 12:45:57 jsmanrique has joined #webmob 12:46:17 hi, just configuring the ip phone.. once again :) 12:51:03 stakagi has joined #webmob 12:55:35 UW_(WEBM)9:00AM has now started 12:55:43 + +44.207.356.aaaa 12:55:47 - +44.207.356.aaaa 12:55:48 UW_(WEBM)9:00AM has ended 12:55:48 Attendees were +44.207.356.aaaa 12:57:52 UW_(WEBM)9:00AM has now started 12:57:59 + +44.773.021.aaaa 12:58:40 KayFritz has joined #webmob 12:59:44 + +49.211.533.aabb 13:00:02 dka has joined #webmob 13:00:25 Ig_Ibert_Bittencourt has joined #webmob 13:00:39 zakim, code? 13:00:39 the conference code is 932662 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), jo 13:00:57 + +44.771.520.aacc 13:00:57 +??P16 13:01:01 +??P25 13:01:01 Zakim, ??P16 is me 13:01:03 +dom; got it 13:01:04 zakim, aacc is me 13:01:04 +dka; got it 13:01:18 hi 13:01:29 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2013Sep/0133.html 13:01:36 zakim, ??p25 is me 13:01:36 +jo; got it 13:01:40 Zakim, who's on the call? 13:01:40 On the phone I see +44.773.021.aaaa, +49.211.533.aabb, dka, dom, jo 13:01:45 ScribeNick: jo 13:01:55 Zakim, aabb is KayFritz 13:01:55 +KayFritz; got it 13:01:57 Zakim, aaaa is schuki 13:01:57 +schuki; got it 13:02:11 jo: nope 13:02:14 +??P26 13:02:25 oh sorry, 49 211 533... tha´s me 13:02:34 zakim, ??P26 is me 13:02:34 +stakagi; got it 13:02:47 -dom 13:03:15 +??P2 13:03:17 Zakim, ??P2 is me 13:03:17 +dom; got it 13:03:20 chair: natasha 13:03:26 scribe: jo 13:04:11 Regrets: Rob 13:04:14 +??P1 13:04:29 + +1.908.559.aadd 13:04:32 Zakim, ??P1 is jsmanrique 13:04:32 +jsmanrique; got it 13:05:30 +??P4 13:05:32 Topic: welcome 13:05:57 natasha: welcomes all to call and introduces herself 13:06:29 dom has changed the topic to: WebMob call Oct 10 Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2013Sep/0133.html 13:06:33 … agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2013Sep/0133.html 13:06:38 josecrespo has joined #webmob 13:06:46 … all newcomers please look at group home page 13:06:58 -> http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/ WebMob home page 13:07:10 … also please look at wiki, which is linked from home page 13:07:52 … lot's of good stuff, which we have been working on 13:08:00 s/lot's/lots/ 13:08:00 http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/Methods_of_Work#IRC 13:08:07 topic: Modus Operandi 13:08:39 natasha: stole some of the content from WebApps and Gov Linked Data 13:08:50 … al the details we were talking about last call 13:08:55 s/al/all/ 13:09:04 … gitHub, Tracker and more 13:09:43 .. e.g. irc and so on 13:10:40 … and finally, chairs have been scribing so far, please make sure you volunteer! 13:11:06 topic: Closing the Gap 13:11:39 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2013Oct/0003.html Closing the gap report 13:11:50 dom: sent a mail to list with pointers to my work so far 13:12:07 … wanted to talk about tit and get feedback or commitment to feedback 13:12:37 … last spring there was the headlight task force. Intended to analyse the situation wrt WebApps vs Native Apps 13:12:59 … have tried to formalise some of the discussion into a framework so we can further the discussion 13:13:12 … I'd like the IG to be the host for this IG 13:13:20 … and that the analysis feeds our agenda ongoing 13:13:37 s/thi IG/this discussion 13:14:13 … as an end user how do you perceive a Web app as opposed to a native app, what are the SWOT, 3 docs discuss 13:14:25 -> http://w3c-webmob.github.io/gap-analysis/ux-comparison-framework.html UX comparison framework 13:15:04 … first doc looks at just the user experience of mobile apps 13:15:23 -> http://w3c-webmob.github.io/gap-analysis/ux-webapps.html WebApps UX 13:15:27 … second doc carries out an analysis of WebApps against this framework 13:15:56 … analysis is less consensual / more subjective at the moment 13:16:05 ]… think it needs attention 13:16:11 s/]// 13:16:33 Rumoroso has joined #webmob 13:16:43 … third doc is a sketch of a set of actions to either reduce weaknesses or reinfoce the strengths 13:16:45 -> http://w3c-webmob.github.io/gap-analysis/ux-actions.html UX Action plans 13:17:20 … this set of three docs takes end-user perspective and helps to set the scene for evolution in a positive direction 13:17:31 -> http://w3c-webmob.github.io/gap-analysis/provider-comparison-framework.html Comparison framework for providers 13:17:46 … the second set of three docs does the same thing, but from a service provider perspective 13:18:33 … a) comparison framework, b) strengths and weaknesses against this frameowork 13:18:33 -> http://w3c-webmob.github.io/gap-analysis/provider-webapps.html Gap analysis from provider perspective 13:18:46 s/meo/me/ 13:19:13 … people who are service or content providers can particularly look at this 13:19:23 -> http://w3c-webmob.github.io/gap-analysis/provider-actions.html Action plan for improving provider perspective 13:19:43 … c) the third doc is similarly to the first set some suggested actions in respect of service providers 13:19:54 … quite length, hope it is usefl 13:20:13 … in a new repo on our Github account: 13:20:16 -> https://github.com/w3c-webmob/gap-analysis Github repo 13:20:40 s/quite length, hope it is usefl/quite lengthy hope it is useful/ 13:21:01 … would be good to publicise to get further input e.g. from the browser community 13:21:24 … next steps, would like to hear feedback from people who have read it, or just a commitment to read it 13:21:46 … thanks Jo for reading and feeding back, (I haven't read what you wrote) 13:21:51 jo: :-) 13:22:05 dom: feedback from the group would be useful 13:22:09 tobie has joined #webmob 13:22:13 natasha: any questions, or feedback 13:22:21 q+ 13:22:34 At least I can commit to reading it in the next weeks and give feedback 13:23:18 jo: thinks it is really useful, and think it would be a good idea to set some deadlines on getting feedback 13:23:29 natasha: agree, volunteers please? 13:23:53 … everyone should read and feedback through mailing list and volunteer 13:24:25 dom: volunteers … most welcome, and with a well-defined deadline 13:24:30 I commit to feedback until 24.October 13:24:42 … getting input would be a good way to get more input so ... 13:24:49 … let's dish out some action items 13:24:58 ACTION: Kay to review closing the gap report - due October 24 13:24:58 Created ACTION-53 - Review closing the gap report [on Kay Fritz - due 2013-10-24]. 13:25:13 dom: sign me up for 24th oct too! 13:25:40 I will get some feedback to you - please assign me an action. 13:25:43 ACTION: Natasha to review closing the gap report - due October 24 13:25:43 Created ACTION-54 - Review closing the gap report [on Natasha Rooney - due 2013-10-24]. 13:25:43 jo: noting that manrique volunteers also 13:25:54 natasha: how do you want feedback? 13:26:07 dom: a) do a pull request for edits that you think would be useful] 13:26:14 s/l]/ 13:26:29 .. especially for editorial changes 13:26:38 … b) feedback by email also work 13:26:48 q+ to suggest that email in the first instance 13:27:08 q- 13:28:09 dom: limited feedback from Natasha and Jo that this makes sense, no sense that anyone else either supports the approach or doesn't 13:28:29 topic: Taxonomy Document 13:28:52 dom: have not got much feedback on this 13:29:17 … this one is quite short, maybe too short to be useful, but need feedback that it is not useful if people think that 13:29:53 … try to make sure we're talking about the same thing when we do talk in detail. Any comments? Anyone read it? 13:29:56 q+ 13:30:07 ack me 13:30:21 marcosc_ has joined #webmob 13:32:50 jo: (speaks at length) but says that the discussion could be usefully deferred till we have discussed the documents above, since it needs to be framed in the light of what comes out of that discussion 13:33:57 Topic: What is Mobile? 13:34:40 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2013Oct/0005.html Paper on Charter Scope Clarification and Context Relevant/Multi Device 13:34:57 -> http://w3c-webmob.github.io/w3c-webmob-what-is-mobile/note.html 13:34:57 A note on the meaning of "mobile" and relationship to the Webmob Charter 13:35:08 -> http://w3c-webmob.github.io/w3c-webmob-what-is-mobile/note.html A note on the meaning of "mobile" and relationship to the Webmob Charter 13:35:09 q+ 13:35:37 jo: discussion is mainly about the contextual factors that vary between any delivery context 13:35:57 … provides a framework for looking at the differences between delivery contexts 13:36:18 natasha: please provide any comments 13:36:20 ack dka 13:36:51 dka: to reiterate … we should be getting on in attacking the iussue 13:37:08 … how to make the Web the platform of choice 13:37:18 …understanding that when we talk mobile 13:37:43 … expectation that people have that using internet services on the phone is about using apps 13:37:45 q+ 13:37:54 dom: I could use clarification 13:38:14 … do you see the earlier documents under discussion as meaning addressing head on 13:38:43 dka: how we are talking about mobile is divorced from the reality 13:38:56 … would like to see us more forthright 13:39:17 … want to see us being more forthright in making the Web the platform of choice 13:39:27 ack jo 13:40:03 q+ 13:41:21 ack schuki 13:41:42 jo: agree with the dis of "platform of choice" but for what? in what circumstances? 13:41:49 s/dis/idea/ 13:41:59 I also think that it is also mobile web to enable it to apply common contents and application, Regardless of a context[. 13:42:13 … think would be a good idea for people to read the doc and then disagree with it rather than the other way round 13:42:14 http://www.w3.org/Mobile/mobile-web-app-state/ 13:42:43 topic: Standards for Web in Mobile 13:43:09 natasha: my favourite page on the Internet, don't like anything more than this 13:43:21 dan has joined #webmob 13:44:02 … very useful and allows us to monitor many things … and I am volunteering to help Dom keep document updated 13:44:18 … if you'd like to volunteer ... 13:44:27 … for many of the various topic ... 13:44:49 … (Natasha lists the kitchen sink) … 13:44:58 q+ 13:45:01 … recent one has been released recently 13:45:05 ack d 13:45:20 schuki: lol jo 13:45:23 dom: latest is Oct 1 - has a couple new features 13:45:46 schuki: i really do love this doc 13:45:49 … some indication of the level of editorial activity, lets readers get some kind of idea if anything is happen 13:45:58 ACTION: Dom to document how to contribute to Mobile Web App State doc 13:45:58 Created ACTION-55 - Document how to contribute to mobile web app state doc [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2013-10-17]. 13:46:03 … thanks Natasha for offering to help 13:46:28 … I'll provide more details as to how to do help 13:46:46 … help could be to point out out missing/wrong etc. 13:47:00 … but I'll set up a process for contributing 13:47:15 … meanwhile, just contribute awar 13:47:22 s/awar/away/ 13:48:03 nastasha: if you work in a specific area then that's where you can offer most help 13:48:13 … very useful document 13:48:18 topic: TPAC Update 13:48:29 http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/TPAC_Face-to-Face#Agenda 13:48:37 natasha: updates to the agenda at wiki 13:48:55 … need to make some changes in response to feedback from chairs 13:49:06 … hoping that people are able to attend 13:49:28 … pls let me know if you plan to be there but not on a day that a topic of particular relevance to you will be discussed 13:49:52 q+ to ask for input/feedback on draft agenda 13:50:05 … Context Relevant Use Cases, needs some words, and on Testing Tobie has detailed what he'll be talking about 13:50:08 ack d 13:50:09 dom, you wanted to ask for input/feedback on draft agenda 13:50:24 dom: just want to be clear that this is a proposed agenda that we are looking for feedback 13:50:28 I will join the f2f. 13:51:09 ]… need clear documentation as to desired outcome of the session, need people to be prepared and to have read relevant docs 13:51:16 s/]// 13:51:50 natasha: want comments - offering Cadbury's Dairy Milk etc for first up with comments 13:52:06 topic: CoreMob Report 2012 13:52:19 jo: one web. 13:52:22 oops 13:52:35 s/oops// 13:53:43 jo: this document represents our analysis of use cases that have been hard to put in place at a point in time 13:54:02 ... the difficulty might be linked to standardization status, or implementation status, or testing 13:54:22 ... I'm not sure how to best proceed with this document, esp. in light of dom's standards state document 13:54:35 ... It would probably be worthwhile to document evolution since the past 8 months 13:54:46 s/the past 8 months/8 months ago/ 13:55:15 dom: I think it would be useful to look back and identify what has changed 13:55:48 … some of the requirements that were not addressed though specification availability has moved on 13:56:19 … think it would be useful to look at features, why they are not getting traction, why they don't meet the needs etc. 13:56:45 … might be idealistic, but would be good to look at whether / why the technology meets the needs 13:57:01 … work won't get done if none does it, so who feels motivated to work on it? 13:57:22 … propose a more detailed plan to take the agenda forwards 13:57:32 Natasha: last time I looked at the document 13:57:42 … cross over with docs we are working on 13:58:02 … is there a one line distinction as to why we should be doing this alongside other things 13:58:46 … what is the aim of the document? 13:59:20 dom: it's a look at a set of use cases are important to mobile use cases and what specifications provide features to address the use cases 13:59:30 … looks at only a subset of possible sue cases 13:59:34 s/sue/use/ 13:59:50 … doc provides prioritisation, over and above what the other doc does 13:59:58 …. hence a useful driver 14:00:05 -KayFritz 14:00:25 … for features critical we need a more detailed analysis 14:00:38 natasha: need focus on this and need use case first 14:00:40 sorry 14:00:59 KayFritz: np! 14:01:01 … have dedicated a large chunk of time to this report at TPAC 14:01:12 … hoping we can attach actions to that 14:01:38 q? 14:01:44 Topic: AOB 14:01:47 -dka 14:02:01 natasha: hearing none, time to close, thanks to all 14:02:17 … also to Dom for talking so much 14:02:33 meeting closed 14:02:33 -??P4 14:02:35 -dom 14:02:37 -schuki 14:02:38 -stakagi 14:02:39 zakim, drop me 14:02:39 jo is being disconnected 14:02:39 - +1.908.559.aadd 14:02:41 -jo 14:02:48 thank-you everyone! 14:02:51 bye 14:02:58 -jsmanrique 14:02:58 UW_(WEBM)9:00AM has ended 14:03:00 Attendees were +44.773.021.aaaa, +49.211.533.aabb, +44.771.520.aacc, dom, dka, jo, KayFritz, schuki, stakagi, +1.908.559.aadd, jsmanrique 14:04:20 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:04:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-webmob-minutes.html dom 14:24:56 marcosc__ has joined #webmob 14:51:43 marcosc_ has joined #webmob 15:12:26 tobie has joined #webmob 16:29:24 Zakim has left #webmob 17:10:32 marcosc has joined #webmob 17:37:37 marcosc has joined #webmob 17:38:35 marcosc_ has joined #webmob 18:05:13 marcosc has joined #webmob