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14:46:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
14:46:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
14:46:48 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:46:48 <trackbot> Date: 08 October 2013
14:46:53 <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Oct/0011.html
14:47:07 <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
14:47:14 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
14:47:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/08-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
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14:56:51 <glenn> zakim, what is the code?
14:56:51 <Zakim> the conference code is 63342 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), glenn
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14:58:51 <Zakim> + +1.417.671.aaaa
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14:59:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
14:59:09 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
14:59:10 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:59:10 <trackbot> Date: 08 October 2013
14:59:15 <glenn> zakim, aaaa is me
14:59:15 <Zakim> sorry, glenn, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
14:59:25 <glenn> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:59:25 <Zakim> I notice HTML_WG()11:00AM has restarted
14:59:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.417.671.aaaa
14:59:26 <Zakim> +Mark_Watson
14:59:31 <glenn> zakim, aaaa is me
14:59:31 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
14:59:33 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:59:37 <markw> Zakim, Mark_Watson is me
14:59:37 <Zakim> +markw; got it
14:59:43 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
14:59:43 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:00:27 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Oct/0011.html
15:00:29 <paulc> Scribe?
15:00:37 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:00:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, markw, paulc
15:00:41 <Zakim> + +1.303.661.aabb
15:01:03 <glenn> zakim, aabb is kkershaw
15:01:03 <Zakim> +kkershaw; got it
15:01:21 <Zakim> +??P15
15:01:28 <Zakim> +[Adobe]
15:01:31 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:01:32 <joesteele> joesteele has joined #html-media
15:01:32 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:01:32 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
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15:02:34 <Zakim> + +44.303.040.aacc
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15:02:39 <adrianba> scribenick: adrianba
15:02:48 <Zakim> +pal
15:02:49 <adrianba> scribe: Adrian Bateman
15:02:56 <Zakim> +Aaron_Colwell
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15:03:14 <joesteele> Zakim, [Adobe] is me
15:03:14 <Zakim> +joesteele; got it
15:03:17 <adrianba> zakim, aacc is davide
15:03:17 <Zakim> +davide; got it
15:03:29 <adrianba> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, markw, paulc, kkershaw, ??P15, joesteele, adrianba, davide, pal, Aaron_Colwell
15:03:31 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:03:45 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, markw, paulc, kkershaw, ??P15, joesteele, adrianba, davide, pal, Aaron_Colwell, [Microsoft]
15:04:02 <johnsim> johnsim has joined #html-media
15:04:12 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] is johnsim
15:04:12 <Zakim> +johnsim; got it
15:04:23 <adrianba> TOPIC: Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
15:04:26 <adrianba> paulc: done
15:04:32 <adrianba> TOPIC: Previous meeting minutes
15:04:34 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/2013/09/24-html-media-minutes.html
15:04:53 <adrianba> paulc: there was some concern about minutes been generated - wasn't sent to the list but was created
15:05:07 <adrianba> johnsim: i was talking about last week's EME call
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15:05:15 <adrianba> paulc: we'll take that offline
15:05:36 <paulc> EME minutes: http://www.w3.org/2013/10/01-html-media-minutes.html
15:05:45 <adrianba> paulc: hand-crafted the link
15:05:48 <igarashi> +Tasuya_Igarashi
15:05:49 <adrianba> johnsim: okay, thanks
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15:06:06 <adrianba> TOPIC: Review of action items and issues
15:06:14 <adrianba> MSE-related actions are given below.
15:06:20 <adrianba> TOPIC: MSE status and bugs
15:06:28 <adrianba> paulc: last call closes in ~9 days
15:06:37 <Zakim> + +1.613.287.aadd
15:06:40 <adrianba> ... did ask the a11y TF if they were aware of this
15:06:46 <adrianba> ... may be on their call this week to discuss
15:06:47 <MartinSoukup> zakim, aadd is me
15:06:47 <Zakim> +MartinSoukup; got it
15:06:58 <adrianba> ... that's the only place i've evangelised the spec
15:07:10 <adrianba> ... as of last night we have 3 bugs (in the agenda)
15:07:19 <adrianba> TOPIC: Last Call bugs
15:07:31 <adrianba> TOPIC: Bug 22432 - Allow SourceBuffer.appendBuffer to take ownership of the ArrayBuffer
15:07:37 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22432
15:07:56 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22432#c2
15:08:04 <adrianba> paulc: this is assigned - current comment from this morning - original correspondent suggests this is invalid
15:08:24 <adrianba> acolwell: fine with marking as invalid - can do so right now
15:08:33 <adrianba> q+
15:08:46 <paulc> ack ade
15:09:01 <paulc> ack adr
15:09:52 <adrianba> adrianba: not sure if it is true that there is no possible race?
15:10:10 <adrianba> acolwell: step 3 of the appendbuffer algorithm says to add buffer to end of input buffer
15:10:26 <adrianba> ... and i think he is interpreting this as a synchronous copy
15:10:36 <igarashi> list attendees
15:10:53 <adrianba> ... there's no opportunity for there to be a race because it is copied inside the appendbuffer call
15:11:01 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:11:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, markw, paulc, kkershaw, ??P15, joesteele, adrianba, davide, pal, Aaron_Colwell, johnsim, MartinSoukup
15:11:10 <adrianba> ... if it was a reference then there could be a race
15:11:36 <paulc> zakim, [P15] is igarashi
15:11:36 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[P15]'
15:11:49 <paulc> zakim, P15 is igarashi
15:11:49 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named 'P15'
15:12:04 <paulc> zakim, [??P15] is igarashi
15:12:04 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[??P15]'
15:12:35 <glenn> zakim, ??P15 is igarashi
15:12:35 <Zakim> +igarashi; got it
15:13:05 <igarashi> zakim, ??P15 is igarashi
15:13:05 <Zakim> I already had ??P15 as igarashi, igarashi
15:13:09 <adrianba> paulc: we should mark this invalid - adrianba can file a new bug if there is something else that needs clarifying
15:13:27 <adrianba> TOPIC: Bug 23169 - reconsider the jitter video quality metrics again
15:13:35 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23169
15:13:35 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23169
15:13:54 <adrianba> paulc: this was accompanied by mail from dsinger
15:14:05 <paulc> last meeting discussion: http://www.w3.org/2013/09/24-html-media-minutes.html#item07
15:14:05 <adrianba> ... here's the reference to the minutes from last meeting
15:14:43 <adrianba> ... status hasn't changed
15:14:53 <adrianba> ... mark, do you have comments?
15:15:09 <adrianba> markw: yes, i can do look at that
15:15:23 <adrianba> paulc: mark is going to take a look at this
15:15:33 <adrianba> ... mark if you can respond on the bug or email and make sure dsinger is prompted
15:15:38 <adrianba> markw: ok
15:15:50 <adrianba> TOPIC: Bug 23441 - Establish an MSE bytestream format registry
15:15:53 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23441
15:15:56 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23441
15:16:09 <adrianba> paulc: this one is new - created after the last meeting
15:16:18 <adrianba> ... have you done anything on this/
15:16:28 <adrianba> s|this/|this?|
15:16:38 <adrianba> acolwell: i'm looking for an example of something to use as a starting point
15:16:45 <adrianba> ... how do we do this elsewhere?
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15:16:59 <adrianba> paulc: didn't we decide to do this for EME CDMs?
15:17:06 <adrianba> glenn: i proposed something for this in the wiki
15:17:17 <adrianba> paulc: at a minimum that would be a place to start
15:17:18 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:17:30 <adrianba> ... if people don't like that then they can discuss what else to do
15:17:43 <adrianba> acolwell: i was also trying to draft advice about how to write a format up
15:17:52 <adrianba> ... to try to get consensus on what this should be
15:17:59 <adrianba> ... will draft something up
15:18:07 <adrianba> ... wanted a bug to track so we don't forget it
15:18:20 <adrianba> paulc: if glenn will give us the link - is it handy?
15:18:30 <adrianba> glenn: will add it momentarily
15:18:41 <adrianba> TOPIC: Any other business
15:19:07 <glenn> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/KeySystemRegistry
15:19:07 <adrianba> paulc: could you put the link into the bug?
15:19:39 <adrianba> paulc: i think we're done for today - when we meet in two weeks LC will have closed by then so one of the topics will be how to move forward
15:19:44 <joesteele> bug link?
15:19:52 <adrianba> ... my experience is that LC comments peak on the last day
15:20:06 <adrianba> ... any other comments or topics?
15:20:11 <adrianba> acolwell: what is the process after LC?
15:20:35 <adrianba> paulc: i haven't had time to do this but given the small number of comments we're going to want to produce a LC disposition
15:20:49 <adrianba> ... should be easy by going through the bugs and communicating with people on each one
15:20:57 <adrianba> ... then we start talking about going into CR
15:21:22 <adrianba> ... you transition into LC without the Director but to get out of LC and into CR then we have to get permission from the Director
15:21:29 <adrianba> ... we will want to describe the CR exit critera
15:21:35 <adrianba> ... any features to be marked at risk
15:21:41 <adrianba> ... and how long we expect CR to last
15:21:51 <adrianba> ... at the next meeting we should focus on LC bugs first
15:22:03 <adrianba> ... and then maybe have an agenda item after to discuss the CR items i just listed
15:22:19 <adrianba> ... we could queue up an email discussion too
15:22:32 <adrianba> acolwell: do we need a CfC to exit LC?
15:22:55 <adrianba> paulc: we'll have to produce a candidate CR document including features at risk, exit criteria, and minimum period
15:23:04 <adrianba> ... we also need a comments disposition
15:23:13 <adrianba> ... we'll take this to the WG - don't expect concerns
15:23:29 <adrianba> ... once we have the TF and WG consensus then i request audience with the Director
15:23:35 <adrianba> ... to ask to move to CR
15:24:04 <adrianba> ... typically for complex documents you might have a telcon with some combination of the chairs, Team contact, and editors to answer questions about how you disposed of LC comments
15:24:16 <adrianba> ... and to see if he agrees with entrance and exit criteria
15:24:35 <adrianba> ... fair question - should start an email discussion after LC closes
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15:25:07 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
15:25:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/08-html-media-minutes.html paulc
15:25:12 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:25:13 <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
15:25:14 <Zakim> -MartinSoukup
15:25:17 <Zakim> -kkershaw
15:25:18 <Zakim> -pal
15:25:18 <Zakim> -johnsim
15:25:19 <adrianba> paulc: adjourned
15:25:19 <Zakim> -davide
15:25:19 <Zakim> -glenn
15:25:21 <Zakim> -Aaron_Colwell
15:25:21 <Zakim> -joesteele
15:25:21 <Zakim> -paulc
15:25:22 <Zakim> -igarashi
15:25:24 <Zakim> -markw
15:25:28 <Zakim> -adrianba
15:25:29 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
15:25:29 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.417.671.aaaa, glenn, markw, paulc, +1.303.661.aabb, kkershaw, adrianba, +44.303.040.aacc, pal, Aaron_Colwell, joesteele, davide, johnsim, +1.613.287.aadd,
15:25:29 <Zakim> ... MartinSoukup, igarashi, [Microsoft]
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