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14:56:51 <ericP> this this will be hcls
14:57:05 <ericP> Zakim, this this will be hcls
14:57:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this this will be hcls', ericP
14:57:20 <ericP> Zakim, this is hcls
14:57:20 <Zakim> ericP, I see SW_HCLS(LODD)10:15AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be hcls".
14:57:31 <ericP> Zakim, this will be hcls
14:57:31 <Zakim> ok, ericP; I see SW_HCLS(LODD)10:15AM scheduled to start 42 minutes ago
14:59:04 <ericP> Zakim, space for 13 for 90 minutes?
14:59:07 <Zakim> sorry, ericP; could not schedule an adhoc conference; passcode overlap; if you do not have a fixed code you may try again
14:59:28 <ericP> Zakim, this will be hcls
14:59:28 <Zakim> ok, ericP; I see SW_HCLS(LODD)10:15AM scheduled to start 44 minutes ago
14:59:42 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-mobile
14:59:42 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:59:43 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(LODD)10:15AM has now started
14:59:46 <Zakim> +EricP
15:01:22 <Zakim> + +1.858.395.aaaa
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15:01:48 <Zakim> +Tony
15:02:08 <Zakim> + +003317371aabb
15:02:55 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Forsberg
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15:03:57 <Zakim> + +1.631.757.aacc
15:04:36 <ericP> Zakim, aaaa is emory
15:04:36 <Zakim> +emory; got it
15:04:44 <ericP> Tony is really HaroldS
15:04:56 <Zakim> + +1.415.592.aadd
15:04:59 <ericP> aacc is mike_denny
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15:05:09 <ericP> zakim, Tony is really HaroldS
15:05:10 <Zakim> +HaroldS; got it
15:05:15 <ericP> zakim, aacc is mike_denny
15:05:17 <Zakim> +mike_denny; got it
15:05:27 <ericP> Zakim, aadd is JoshMandel
15:05:27 <Zakim> +JoshMandel; got it
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15:08:09 <ericP> scribenick: ericP
15:08:16 <ericP> topic: FHIR
15:08:33 <ericP> JoshMandel: FHIR is a standard for representing health care "things" as resources
15:08:59 <ericP> ... these are supposed to be easy for impelementors to grok, i.e. simple names rather than the RIM-y names
15:09:37 <ericP> ... resources are managed using REST CRUD opperations plus searching over a set of indexed fields
15:11:19 <ericP> charlie: FHIR resources are suppopsed to be disjoint but they don't have a way to enforce that
15:11:40 <ericP> ... i hoped to do that with RDF; is that still on the table?
15:11:52 <ericP> JoshMandel: lloyd's aware of it
15:12:37 <ericP> ... graham wrote a ton of custom logic (sanity checks) into the FHIR build tool
15:12:50 <ericP> ... i think they're intersted but sounds like a research project
15:13:39 <ericP> Mike_: re: semantics, there's a core set of resources plus extensions
15:13:55 <ericP> ... is it intended that the core resources map back to RIM mappnigs
15:14:17 <ericP> JoshMandel: they intended to define RIM mappings, but haven't done them all
15:14:45 <ericP> ... they don't intend initially to provide computable mappings, but just human-readable
15:15:13 <ericP> charlie: they guessed that they could define 100-200 resources to cover the V2/V3 messages
15:15:56 <ericP> ... they beleived that the RIM mappings could be done as RDF/OWL.
15:19:49 <ericP> ericP: @@ the pieces needed to connect the RIM to FHIR
15:20:35 <ericP> JoshMandel: i'm betting on utility from the RDF representation of FHIR. not sure the mappnig will be useful
15:21:13 <ericP> Mike_: i thought that the HL7 governance model required that extensions be submitted for approval
15:21:33 <ericP> charlie: there's the notion of extending anything, out side of HL7's perview
15:22:07 <ericP> charlie: and then there's the extensions for balloting
15:23:35 <ericP> Mike_: is FHIR being promulgated as a usable standard without any formal semantics?
15:23:59 <ericP> JoshMandel: there were about 1k comments
15:24:29 <ericP> ... @@ sematnics comment?
15:24:41 <ericP> charlie: all ballot comments are, in practics, addressed
15:25:08 <JoshMandel> JoshMandel: They found "You need RIM mappings" comments persuasive and will provide RIM mappings (english-language, non-computable mapptings to start)
15:25:33 <ericP> Mike_: IPO adopted FHIR
15:28:02 <ericP> ericP: we could use RDF representations to map e.g. C-CDA to FHIR
15:28:17 <ericP> ... i'd expect people to want to do this outide RDF-land but i haven't see it
15:28:49 <ericP> Mike_: people are thinking that there could be SemWeb value in federation
15:28:57 <Zakim> - +003317371aabb
15:29:28 <ericP> ... both CDA and FHIR risk duplication
15:31:31 <ericP> ericP: @@ two dupes, between text and machine-useful, vs. two groups defining overlapping resources
15:32:18 <ericP> Mike_: resource duplication in extensions
15:34:17 <ericP> JoshMandel: semantically monotonic extensions are supposed to say "mustUnderstand='false'"
15:34:29 <ericP> ... profiles are also defining units
15:36:42 <ericP> ericP: @@ extensibility needed to do a smaller speck -- leave critical stuff to extensions
15:38:04 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp/
15:50:07 <ericP> topic: TermMap
15:50:21 <ericP> emory: in the middle of lots of stuff
15:50:30 <ericP> ... haven't set up a CTS2 term server
15:51:05 <ericP> ... i should have a term server by this call next week
15:52:18 <ericP> ... we've been tlaking to kevin peterson (Mayo) about a value set server
15:52:30 <ericP> ... will release under apache license
15:53:14 <ericP> hsolbrig: joti patak wrote the other value set editor
15:53:32 <ericP> ... we should be releasing an RDF data store for RDF soon
15:53:45 <ericP> ... we've been incorporating a formal impl of the value set module
15:54:39 <ericP> ... we have a CTS2 representation of the HL7 MIF (guided by O-RIM)
15:55:04 <ericP> ... lloyd's OWL transform doesn't use skos:broaderThan
15:55:05 <Zakim> This conference is in overtime; all ports must be freed
16:02:26 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
16:02:26 <Zakim> -HaroldS
16:02:27 <Zakim> -emory
16:02:30 <Zakim> -JoshMandel
16:02:32 <Zakim> -mike_denny
16:02:33 <Zakim> -EricP
16:02:33 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(LODD)10:15AM has ended
16:02:36 <Zakim> Attendees were EricP, +1.858.395.aaaa, +003317371aabb, Kerstin_Forsberg, +1.631.757.aacc, emory, +1.415.592.aadd, HaroldS, mike_denny, JoshMandel
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16:44:04 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:44:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-hcls-minutes.html ericP
16:44:15 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make log world-visible
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