13:51:58 RRSAgent has joined #ldp 13:51:58 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/09/30-ldp-irc 13:52:00 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:52:00 Zakim has joined #ldp 13:52:02 Zakim, this will be LDP 13:52:02 ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes 13:52:03 Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference 13:52:03 Date: 30 September 2013 13:52:06 Arnaud has changed the topic to: LDP WG: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp - Today's agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.09.30 13:53:07 TallTed has joined #ldp 13:58:29 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #ldp 13:59:08 SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started 13:59:14 +??P7 13:59:26 Zakim, ??p7 is me 13:59:26 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 14:00:06 Ashok has joined #ldp 14:00:50 +Arnaud 14:01:05 +Steve_Speicher 14:01:16 +Ashok_Malhotra 14:01:19 Zakim, Steve_Speicher is me 14:01:19 +SteveS; got it 14:01:27 +Sandro 14:01:36 +[OpenLink] 14:01:47 Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me 14:01:47 +TallTed; got it 14:01:49 Zakim, mute me 14:01:49 TallTed should now be muted 14:03:28 zakim, who's on the phone? 14:03:29 On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, Arnaud, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, Sandro, TallTed (muted) 14:03:36 +JohnArwe 14:03:37 JohnArwe has joined #ldp 14:04:01 regrets: steve battle, cody, pierre-antoine 14:04:08 + +44.208.573.aaaa 14:04:34 roger has joined #ldp 14:05:46 that the problem :-/ 14:06:44 -BartvanLeeuwen 14:07:22 +??P7 14:07:55 zakim, ??P7 is bart 14:07:55 +bart; got it 14:08:39 scribe: BartvanLeeuwen 14:09:09 Topic: Minutes 2013-09-23 14:09:14 minutes approved 14:09:28 Topic: Actions and issues 14:12:19 Topic: normative changes for profiles 14:12:34 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0067.html 14:16:31 krp has joined #ldp 14:18:48 Ashok_ has joined #ldp 14:18:58 Arnaud, I wonder if the proposed changes to the spec are communicated with Tim after the last F2F 14:19:16 Arnaud, to prevent having his reaction at LC 14:19:18 Zakim, unmute me 14:19:18 TallTed should no longer be muted 14:20:11 q+ 14:20:42 sandro, tim still wants to have full freedom on the triples placed in the LDPR e.g. last-modified 14:20:58 ack ashok 14:21:36 Zakim, mute me 14:21:36 TallTed should now be muted 14:24:24 +??P27 14:24:50 Arnaud, The group creates a email with the questions, where sandro will take this email and allocate some time with Tim to go over it 14:24:55 zakim, ??P27 is me 14:24:55 +krp; got it 14:25:13 sandro, I have a meeting with him at 4PM EST 14:25:15 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-comments/2013Sep/0003.html 14:29:32 s/EST/EDT/ 14:31:03 general discussion is about mixing data and metadata, should the server force some metadata predicates like file system metadata 14:33:02 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-comments/2013Aug/0006.html 14:33:17 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0067.html 14:36:04 zakim, who's on the phone? 14:36:04 On the phone I see Arnaud, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, Sandro, TallTed (muted), JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa, bart, krp 14:36:50 zakim, aaaa is roger 14:36:50 +roger; got it 14:38:06 q+ 14:40:13 Zakim, please dial ericP-mobile 14:40:13 ok, ericP; the call is being made 14:40:15 +EricP 14:41:08 wrt Ashok/Roger comments: possibly could add more words on 4.2.9; generically the interpretation of SHOULD is per 2119, which is to be read (paraphrasing) "do this unless you have a Really Good reason to not do it, and Fully Understand the implications". 14:41:29 vanilla = client-directed. chocolate = server-directed. 14:41:35 correct 14:41:42 I know !! 14:41:46 :) 14:42:00 issue-81? 14:42:00 issue-81 -- Confusing membership* predicate names and other possible improvements -- open 14:42:00 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/81 14:42:22 as of this morning, see steve S's email, there is a wiki page for flogging the names 14:46:45 Arnaud, we should go over email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Sep/0067.html and react to it point by point 14:47:29 Arnaud, have the detailed discussions on the list 14:47:29 @ericp: since you missed previous email on -97, I responded to your response about an hour ago 14:47:57 Topic: Proposals for pure-HTTP paging 14:55:01 Kalpa has joined #ldp 14:58:04 PROPOSED: follow ericP's plan to keep LDP data out of LDPRs per http://www.w3.org/20130926211542.GE16138@w3.org , noting that the intent is that (nested) containers remain the same 14:58:52 I suggest s/(nested) containers/containers (whether nested or not)/ 14:59:03 Zakim, unmute me 14:59:03 TallTed should no longer be muted 14:59:12 PROPOSAL: follow ericP's plan to keep LDP data out of LDPRs per http://www.w3.org/20130926211542.GE16138@w3.org , noting that the intent is that containers (whether nested or not) remain the same 14:59:18 +1 14:59:19 +1 14:59:21 +1 14:59:22 +1 14:59:24 Zakim, mute me 14:59:24 TallTed should now be muted 14:59:27 +1 14:59:28 +1 14:59:30 +1 14:59:35 +1 14:59:53 RESOLVED: follow ericP's plan to keep LDP data out of LDPRs per http://www.w3.org/20130926211542.GE16138@w3.org , noting that the intent is that containers (whether nested or not) remain the same 15:00:13 RESOLUTION: follow ericP's plan to keep LDP data out of LDPRs per http://www.w3.org/20130926211542.GE16138@w3.org , noting that the intent is that containers (whether nested or not) remain the same 15:00:41 is that URL in the above actually de-referencable ? 15:00:54 -Ashok_Malhotra 15:00:55 -krp 15:00:55 -Sandro 15:00:55 RESOLUTION: follow ericP's plan to keep LDP data out of LDPRs per http://www.w3.org/mid/20130926211542.GE16138@w3.org , noting that the intent is that containers (whether nested or not) remain the same 15:00:57 -roger 15:00:57 -SteveS 15:00:58 -Arnaud 15:01:10 -bart 15:01:16 -TallTed 15:01:18 -EricP 15:02:41 -JohnArwe 15:02:42 SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended 15:02:42 Attendees were BartvanLeeuwen, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Sandro, TallTed, JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa, bart, krp, roger, EricP 15:03:05 Kalpa has left #ldp