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16:57:11 <Jan> Zakim, this will be AUWG
16:57:11 <Zakim> ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
16:57:16 <Jan> Meeting: WAI AU
16:57:27 <Jan> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2013JulSep/0072.html
16:57:43 <Jan> Scribe: Jan
16:57:51 <Jan> Chair: Jutta Treviranus
16:57:59 <Jan> Regrets: Alex L.
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17:01:14 <Jan> zakim, who's here?
17:01:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeanne, [IPcaller]
17:01:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Jan, jeanne, trackbot
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17:01:33 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
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17:01:49 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is really Alastair
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17:02:57 <Jan> zakim, aaaa is really Greg
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17:03:32 <Jan> zakim, aabb is really TomB
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17:04:04 <Jan> zakim, who's here?
17:04:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeanne, Jan, Alastair, Greg, Cherie, TomB, [IPcaller]
17:04:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see tbabinszki, alastairc, RRSAgent, Zakim, Jan, jeanne, trackbot
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17:04:31 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jutta
17:04:31 <Zakim> +Jutta; got it
17:04:36 <Jan> zakim, who's here?
17:04:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeanne, Jan, Alastair, Greg, Cherie, TomB, Jutta
17:04:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Greg, jutta, tbabinszki, alastairc, RRSAgent, Zakim, Jan, jeanne, trackbot
17:04:59 <Jan> Topic: 1. Re-chartering update (Jeanne)
17:05:06 <Jan> JS: No news for this week
17:05:37 <Jan> JR: Doesn't it end today?
17:05:51 <Jan> JS: Yes...big implication is we can't publish
17:06:13 <Jan> JS: I'm just unsure...I didn't talk to Judy about it
17:06:27 <Jan> JS: I will send an email to the group
17:06:36 <Jan> JT: But we can continue with the meetings, etc?
17:07:20 <Jan> Topic: 2. CR process update (Jeanne and Jan) - we are in Last Call until October 1.
17:07:28 <Jan> JS: Still just the one comment
17:07:37 <Greg> What was the comment about?
17:07:59 <Jan> JS: Comments close end of day... midnight Eastern on Tues.
17:08:11 <Greg> +1
17:08:27 <jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-atag2-comments/2013Sep/0001.html
17:08:36 <Jan> JS: This is the comment
17:08:50 <Jan> JR: Proposed response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2013JulSep/0071.html
17:09:55 <Greg> NO
17:10:10 <Jan> > Capturing the results of accessibility evaluation performed by authors has
17:10:11 <Jan> > several advantages, including:
17:10:13 <Jan> >      • enabling the re-use of self-evaluation results to substantiate WCAG 2.0
17:10:14 <Jan> > conformance claims;
17:10:16 <Jan> >      • enabling auditing as a credible alternative to product inspections;
17:10:17 <Jan> >      • enabling aggregation of evaluation results (for research purposes,
17:10:19 <Jan> > monitoring and ranking);
17:10:20 <Jan> >      • enhancement of the scope of large-scale monitoring of web accessibility,
17:10:22 <Jan> > which at present often is limited to a subset of WCAG 2.0 (i.e. what can be
17:10:23 <Jan> > reliably programmatically determined);
17:10:25 <Jan> >      • supporting the transition of web content accessibility management from
17:10:26 <Jan> > a product-based approach to a process-based approach. This will especially
17:10:28 <Jan> > help integrating the subject of web accessibility into complex and/or multi-
17:10:29 <Jan> > stakeholder environments.
17:12:47 <Jan> Previous intent: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20130910/#sc_b315
17:15:09 <Greg> facilitate and encourage however we are not an enforcement body, these are guidelines, others with authority may choose to make them rules
17:15:17 <Jan> JR: Reads it.
17:15:56 <Jan> Greg: "facilitate and encourage"
17:16:29 <Jan> JS: I like it
17:16:52 <Jan> JT: Acknowledges thoughtful input
17:18:19 <Jan> JR: Any objections to making that change to the implementations and to sending this rationale.
17:18:23 <Jan> All: No
17:19:31 <Jan> Resolution: All agree to the response and change in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2013JulSep/0071.html with two edits "facilitate"->"facilitate and encourage" AND remove duplicate "repair tools"
17:19:56 <Jan> JT: We will keep eye out for additional comments.
17:20:22 <Jan> JT: If no additional substantive comments received, timeline?
17:21:16 <Jan> JS: I hope it can happen in 2 weeks...but I will need to attend a Directors meeting with Judy.... need to show that we've met various requirements
17:21:51 <Jan> JS: I have a doc that is largely ready.
17:22:04 <Jan> JS: Once it passes Directors meeting, we can publish
17:22:23 <Jan> JS: But there may be changes we need to make
17:22:55 <Jan> JS: e.g. they will be spot-checking comment responses etc.
17:23:07 <Jan> JT: Great
17:23:22 <Jan> JT: Good to hear when that meeting will happen, keep us up to date
17:23:31 <Jan> JT: Any other people have questions?
17:23:34 <Jan> All: None
17:23:45 <Jan> Topic: 3. Implementation report update (Jan)
17:23:58 <Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2013/ATAG2ImplementationReport.html
17:24:43 <Jan> JR: Heard from AC about Part A for Defacto, Part B is coming soon
17:25:26 <Jan> JS: This weekend I was talking to one of TB's colleagues about Lotus Connections....
17:26:26 <Jan> TB: Basically this tool will have the same process as the MCE, we will need to get approval etc.
17:26:45 <Jan> TB: It's very accessible but it's complex
17:27:02 <Jan> JS: This person was suggesting we only look at the wiki part
17:27:20 <Jan> JS: Thought it could be considered in isolation
17:27:27 <Jan> TB: OK that seems managable
17:27:31 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
17:30:09 <Jan> TB: Thought it was considered and dismissed int he past?
17:30:35 <Jan> JR: Yes, because it was thought too complex...if the wiki can be looked at separately then maybe it becomes viable
17:31:17 <Jan> JT: Maybe softwares are complex so it may be common for us to explain that we are looking at a part of something
17:32:04 <Jan> JS: Strategically good to have large companies products moving towards ATAG2 conformance
17:33:22 <Jan> TB: Do you need approvals if it is a public product
17:33:45 <Jan> JS: No, but 6-8 months down the road, we will be looking for testimonials.
17:34:23 <Jan> JR: So that's what I know about...
17:34:37 <Jan> JT; There is also Google CourseBuilder
17:34:59 <Jan> JT: The contact would like a walkthrough
17:35:04 <Jan> JR: I can do that
17:35:14 <Jan> JT: I qwill send JR the contact
17:35:31 <Jan> JS: You should suggest they look at "ATAG at a glance" document
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17:36:16 <Jan> JT: Another one...OPS internal ... Test harness...evaluation tool.
17:36:52 <Jan> JT: Framework does have a lot of Authoring Tool features
17:37:06 <Jan> JR: OK, please send me the contacts
17:37:17 <Jan> Topic: 4. Other issues?
17:37:24 <Jan> All: None heard
17:37:55 <Jan> JT: OK we will keep an eye out for comments...
17:38:00 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
17:38:01 <Zakim> -Greg
17:38:02 <Zakim> -TomB
17:38:04 <Zakim> -Alastair
17:38:08 <Jan> JT: Next meeting Oct 7
17:38:14 <Zakim> -Jan
17:38:16 <Zakim> -Jutta
17:38:18 <Zakim> -Jeanne
17:41:27 <Jan> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:41:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/30-au-minutes.html Jan
17:41:34 <Jan> RRSAgent, set logs public
17:41:46 <Jan> Zakim, who's here?
17:41:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Cherie
17:41:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Greg, jutta, tbabinszki, RRSAgent, Zakim, Jan, jeanne, trackbot
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17:45:28 <Zakim> -Cherie
17:45:30 <Zakim> WAI_AUWG()1:00PM has ended
17:45:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Jeanne, Jan, Alastair, +1.571.765.aaaa, Greg, +1.847.917.aabb, TomB, Cherie, Jutta, Tim_Boland
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19:58:19 <Jan> RRSAgent, bye
19:58:19 <RRSAgent> I see no action items