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14:48:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:48:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 48 minutes ago
14:48:36 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:48:36 <trackbot> Date: 26 September 2013
14:48:46 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
14:48:46 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:48:51 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
14:48:51 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
14:48:51 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:48:54 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc Testing WBS http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Sep/0067.html
14:48:57 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc LC Comments Processing
14:49:00 <janina> agenda+ What should be included in new Canvas 2D LCWD
14:49:02 <janina> agenda+ Alt Edits Review [See Below]
14:49:05 <janina> agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media;
14:49:07 <janina> agenda+ HTML 5.1 Objectives -- Open Discussion
14:49:10 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:49:12 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:49:15 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:50:05 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
14:50:12 <Zakim> +??P18
14:50:21 <janina>  zakim, ??P18 is me
14:50:21 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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14:59:13 <Zakim> + +1.716.842.aaaa
14:59:24 <Zakim> + +1.201.390.aabb
14:59:36 <aardrian> Zakim, +1.716.842.aaaa
14:59:36 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.716.842.aaaa', aardrian
14:59:42 <aardrian> Zakim, +1.716.842.aaaa is me
14:59:42 <Zakim> +aardrian; got it
15:00:00 <aardrian> zakim, who is on the phone
15:00:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', aardrian
15:00:32 <aardrian> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:00:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, aardrian, +1.201.390.aabb
15:01:27 <Zakim> + +1.617.715.aacc
15:01:57 <MarkS> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, aardrian, +1.201.390.aabb, +1.617.715.aacc
15:02:04 <MarkS> zakim, i am aacc
15:02:04 <Zakim> +MarkS; got it
15:02:17 <MarkS> zakim, aabb is SuzanneT
15:02:17 <Zakim> +SuzanneT; got it
15:03:52 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:04:55 <Zakim> +Judy
15:05:28 <MarkS> scribe: MarkS
15:05:47 <MarkS> zakim, agenda?
15:05:47 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda:
15:05:48 <Zakim> 1. Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:05:48 <Zakim> 2. Longdesc Testing WBS http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Sep/0067.html [from janina]
15:05:48 <Zakim> 3. Longdesc LC Comments Processing [from janina]
15:05:48 <Zakim> 4. What should be included in new Canvas 2D LCWD [from janina]
15:05:49 <Zakim> 5. Alt Edits Review [from See Below via janina]
15:05:49 <Zakim> 6. Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media; [from janina]
15:05:50 <Zakim> 7. HTML 5.1 Objectives -- Open Discussion [from janina]
15:05:50 <Zakim> 8. Other Business [from janina]
15:05:50 <Zakim> 9. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:05:50 <Zakim> 10. be done [from janina]
15:05:57 <MarkS> zakim, take up item 1
15:05:57 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:06:02 <MarkS> zakim, close item 1
15:06:02 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:06:04 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:04 <Zakim> 2. Longdesc Testing WBS http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Sep/0067.html [from janina]
15:06:11 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:06:11 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Longdesc Testing WBS http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Sep/0067.html" taken up [from janina]
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15:06:56 <MarkS> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/longdesc-tests/ WBS Survey Call for Consensus on longdesc tests
15:07:19 <MarkS> JS: this is open for one week, closing next Wednesday,
15:08:41 <MarkS> …there was a bug reported, but it seems like an unusual one.  everyone should proceed with that survey
15:09:34 <MarkS> …will ask PF and HTML WG in status update to also review this survey
15:10:32 <MarkS> -> https://rawgithub.com/chaals/longdesc-tests/master/test-results.html test results
15:10:43 <MarkS> s/test results/preliminary test results
15:11:33 <MarkS> …we may 2-3 weeks from proposing our CR interview
15:11:42 <MarkS> …hopefully testing will be done
15:12:02 <MarkS> JB: we should give a 1-2 weeks advance notice to schedule that CR interview
15:12:45 <MarkS> : -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/longdesc-tests/ WBS Survey Call for Consensus on longdesc tests
15:12:46 <MarkS> [11:07am]
15:13:00 <MarkS> MS: we can process comments in parallel
15:13:07 <MarkS> zakim, next item
15:13:07 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Longdesc LC Comments Processing" taken up [from janina]
15:14:11 <MarkS> JS: there is a draft of responses.  once wordsmithing and editing is complete, we will email the TF to start a new CfC to agree to TF responses to Last Call comments.
15:14:33 <MarkS> zakim, next item
15:14:33 <Zakim> agendum 4. "What should be included in new Canvas 2D LCWD" taken up [from janina]
15:15:21 <Zakim> +Rich
15:16:00 <MarkS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Sep/0056.html Canvas 2d new Last Call
15:16:20 <Zakim> -Judy
15:16:47 <MarkS> RS: Draw system focus ring is set.  still working on draw custom focus ring.  good progress, chrome still needs to address high contrast.  question is what is the best way to move forward with this functionality
15:17:03 <MarkS> …proposed to use hit testing, but there is no progress on that.
15:17:18 <Zakim> +Judy
15:17:50 <MarkS> …draw the focus ring and report location to AT.  If that doesn't happen, the API returns true, telling the author that they should draw this based on location.
15:18:25 <MarkS> …originally asked for a separate method that reported the location.  hixie didn't like it because he wanted it to provide value to the author
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15:20:50 <MarkS> …we have everything implemented except for when the system is in high contrast mode, the author doesn't have access to that information.  IE will go to a high contrast focus ring.  In Chrome, to implement High Contrast mode, they have a plugin that configures the browser for high contrast mode.
15:22:25 <MarkS> JB: did we exhaust all efforts to get that 2nd implementation
15:22:41 <MarkS> RS: no, not yet.  we're taking to Mozilla
15:22:46 <janina> q?
15:23:14 <MarkS> RS: what I do mind losing from the spec is Path (hit testing)
15:24:02 <MarkS> …last year there was talk of an alternative method, but no progress has been made.
15:24:34 <MarkS> …we have to make sure this gets done in the next version of canvas.
15:25:30 <MarkS> …if we lost custom focus ring, we still could provide a location for drawing the focus ring.  the author won't be able to do anything special (a fancy focus ring)
15:26:18 <MarkS> JB: sounds like you still have questions about why the replacement for Path with Shape never happened.
15:26:33 <MarkS> …should there be a phone call with all parties?
15:27:09 <MarkS> JS: timing is not good with RS going on vacation for much of Oct.
15:28:10 <Zakim> -SuzanneT
15:28:15 <MarkS> RS: without hit testing, there are going to be problems on mobile devices because there is no location information for canvas objects
15:28:33 <Zakim> +SuzanneT
15:29:27 <MarkS> …there are additional challenges on mobile without keyboard navigation.
15:29:59 <MarkS> …shape capability will solve that.
15:30:15 <MarkS> …I'm concerned that we don't have any traction on shape
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15:31:11 <MarkS> JS: we want to formally ask the WG to calendar this new Last Call for Canvas.  Should ask for an extension of its deadline through november
15:32:00 <MarkS> RS: why is there a rush to get this out when HTML5 is not due to get out until the end of next year.
15:32:30 <Judy> q+
15:33:13 <MarkS> JS: it was scheduled to be moving ahead as an extension spec
15:33:57 <MarkS> RS: its dependent on a critical piece of the HTML5 spec.  there needs to be a 1-1 mapping of canvas functionality to fallback content.
15:34:45 <MarkS> …they should be working on removing Path from that spec since nobody is implementing it at this point.
15:36:05 <Judy> q-
15:36:59 <Judy> agenda?
15:37:32 <SuzanneT> q+
15:38:01 <MarkS> ack su
15:38:06 <janina> q?
15:38:12 <janina> ack s
15:38:12 <MarkS> ack suzannet
15:39:17 <MarkS> ST: if we don't get this in, I'm sure mobile OS developers will probably figure out a workaround, but there is no way any such solution will address the needs of corner cases, like people with learning disabilities
15:40:18 <Judy> q+
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15:41:03 <Judy> ack j
15:41:03 <MarkS> s/corner cases/users with disabilities that are not affected by lack of keyboard nav, like users with learning disabilities
15:41:42 <Zakim> -Rich
15:41:47 <MarkS> zakim, next item
15:41:47 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Alt Edits Review" taken up [from See Below]
15:42:13 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/imageadvice/results
15:43:40 <MarkS> MS: haven't heard back from WCAG WG but their survey is done, 9 responses.  Should hear a response after their next meeting.
15:43:52 <MarkS> JS: stevef will probably want any suggested turned into bugs
15:43:59 <MarkS> zakim, next items
15:43:59 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next items', MarkS
15:45:49 <MarkS> ACTION for markS to track access key bug
15:45:49 <trackbot> Error finding 'for'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
15:46:16 <MarkS> ACTION: to MarkS to track access key bug
15:46:16 <trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
15:46:24 <MarkS> zakim, next item
15:46:24 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media;" taken up [from janina]
15:47:08 <MarkS> MS: Bug triage, chaals would like us to track recent accesskey bug re translatability
15:47:21 <MarkS> JS: nothing yet on media, but we intend to get that going again.
15:47:26 <MarkS> zakim, next item
15:47:26 <Zakim> agendum 7. "HTML 5.1 Objectives -- Open Discussion" taken up [from janina]
15:48:15 <MarkS> -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/HTML51 wiki page to start tracking html5.1 priorities
15:49:16 <Judy> q+
15:49:32 <Zakim> -Judy
15:49:49 <Zakim> +Judy
15:50:37 <MarkS> MS: we've talked about taking a closer look at a tighter integration with the emotion markup spec, support for haptic output,
15:52:12 <MarkS> ST: should start a requirements study/doc for gaming
15:54:39 <MarkS> DM: WCAG has been concerned with support for cognitive disabilities,so perhaps some good ideas will come from that work
15:55:32 <MarkS> JS: talking about calendar data pickers revealed some shortcomings in general form controls, so suggest we take a closer look at that area of the spec
15:57:00 <MarkS> JB: are there specific features, related to a11y support that are missing in HTML
15:58:00 <MarkS> …the ability to navigate better through layers/levels and to be able to escape from them and may be missing from html5
16:00:27 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:00:28 <Zakim> -janina
16:00:28 <Zakim> -Judy
16:00:29 <Zakim> -aardrian
16:00:30 <Zakim> -MarkS
16:00:33 <Zakim> -SuzanneT
16:00:34 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
16:00:34 <Zakim> Attendees were janina, +1.201.390.aabb, aardrian, +1.617.715.aacc, MarkS, SuzanneT, David_MacDonald, Judy, Rich
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16:01:28 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/26-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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18:27:00 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference; Thursday 3 October at 15:00Z for 60 minutes
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