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20:28:30 <MichaelH> MichaelH: Does it not still apply
20:28:40 <MichaelH> ...Korean use case?
20:29:27 <MichaelH> virginie: Not going to address
20:29:44 <MichaelH> virginie: Issue 9 no conclusion
20:29:57 <MichaelH> virginie: Issue 12 no conclusion
20:30:07 <wseltzer> ISSUE-28?
20:30:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-28 -- Short-names for algorithms -- open
20:30:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/track/issues/28
20:30:29 <MichaelH> ... Issue 28 As a working group decided to address it
20:30:52 <MichaelH> ... Should be closed
20:31:01 <wseltzer> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-28
20:31:20 <wseltzer> ISSUE-32?
20:31:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- Section 5.2 in API draft should mention use of secure element in the context of key security -- open
20:31:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/track/issues/32
20:31:20 <MichaelH> virginie: Issue 32 Covered several times
20:31:36 <wseltzer> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-32
20:31:40 <wseltzer> ISSUE-35?
20:31:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-35 -- Handling of wrap/unwrap operations -- open
20:31:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/track/issues/35
20:31:42 <MichaelH> ... Close by email in coming weeks
20:31:56 <MichaelH> virginie: Issue 35 Still pending extract
20:31:57 <wseltzer> ISSUE-36?
20:31:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-36 -- Semantics for key generation versus key derivation -- open
20:31:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/track/issues/36
20:32:13 <MichaelH> virginie: Issue 36 Addressed by Vijay proposal
20:32:57 <MichaelH> rsleevi: No directly by Vijay, but combination of propoisals
20:33:32 <wseltzer> ISSUE-43?
20:33:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-43 -- Separate method for key agreement -- open
20:33:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/track/issues/43
20:34:10 <MichaelH> virginie: Issue 43 Related to 74
20:34:16 <wseltzer> ISSUE-44?
20:34:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-44 -- Require creation of random IVs by default for CBC, CFB, GCM -- open
20:34:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/track/issues/44
20:34:24 <MichaelH> virginie: Issue 44 Related to IV
20:34:49 <MichaelH> rsleevi: We said close this
20:35:22 <MichaelH> virginie: Some topics keeping this open
20:35:50 <MichaelH> ...Today extractablity
20:36:19 <rsleevi> https://www.w3.org/bugzilla_public/buglist.cgi?product=Web%20Cryptography&component=Web%20Cryptography%20API%20Document
20:36:26 <MichaelH> ...Anybody having issue?
20:36:44 <MichaelH> ...Use bugzilla to track
20:36:48 <wseltzer> zakim, take up agenda item 2
20:36:48 <Zakim> 'item\ 2' does not match any agenda item, wseltzer
20:36:53 <wseltzer> zakim, take up agenda 2
20:36:53 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review of action and issue" taken up [from virginie]
20:37:00 <wseltzer> zakim, take up agenda 3
20:37:00 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Web Crypto API" taken up [from virginie]
20:37:49 <MichaelH> virginie: Clear demand from Netflix for UA to maintain the attribute for special case of JWT
20:38:00 <MichaelH> ...Microsoft supported this
20:38:18 <MichaelH> ...Google (ryan) not a fan of proposal
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20:38:50 <arunranga> q+ to make a suggestion
20:38:53 <MichaelH> ...other people want to comment?
20:39:21 <arunranga> zakim, unmute me
20:39:21 <Zakim> arunranga should no longer be muted
20:39:23 <MichaelH> ...write a sentence in the spec to describe attributes for this?
20:39:39 <wseltzer> ack arunranga
20:39:39 <Zakim> arunranga, you wanted to make a suggestion
20:39:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
20:40:01 <MichaelH> arunranga: Extractability has value
20:40:15 <MichaelH> ...service provider needs security
20:40:22 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
20:40:39 <MichaelH> ...propose JWK be a distint specification
20:40:58 <MichaelH> ...keep if out of WebCrypto API
20:41:19 <jimsch> q+
20:41:27 <MichaelH> virginie: Jim suggest an alternate approach
20:41:44 <wseltzer> ack rsleevi
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20:41:59 <MichaelH> rsleevi: Jim proposal similar to one I made earlier
20:42:42 <MichaelH> ...usage of SE, Smart card, painting ourselves into a corner
20:43:26 <markw> q+
20:43:47 <MichaelH> ....ryan "Can you paste those into the irc?"
20:44:07 <MichaelH> ...Set of undefined attributes
20:44:23 <MichaelH> ...key format describes attributes
20:44:44 <virginie> q?
20:45:00 <rsleevi> Will mail those to the list, as discussed
20:45:14 <MichaelH> ryan: thanks!
20:45:39 <MichaelH> jimsch: Don't believe that will be sufficient
20:46:01 <MichaelH> ... I know what happens for RSA and symettric key unwrap
20:46:19 <MichaelH> ...but other key types are not well understood
20:46:50 <MichaelH> ...Operations are divided
20:46:58 <MichaelH> ...into multiple operations
20:47:12 <MichaelH> markw: Ryan suggestion is good
20:47:22 <MichaelH> ...allows us to move forward
20:47:42 <MichaelH> ...future updates can be made when needed
20:48:16 <arunranga> So I think rsleevi said what I was saying, but better
20:48:52 <MichaelH> ryan: The description of the problem with multiple key usages is not clear
20:49:19 <MichaelH> ...only netflix has requested this; go for min solution
20:49:37 <MichaelH> ...until we get more complete use cases
20:49:42 <virginie> q?
20:49:50 <jimsch> q-
20:50:01 <MichaelH> virginie: We may have a consenus
20:50:06 <Zakim> rsleevi, you wanted to respond to jimsch
20:50:27 <MichaelH> ... get ryan to generate a written proposal
20:50:37 <MichaelH> ...group to review
20:51:27 <MichaelH> @wseltzer ACTION?
20:52:04 <virginie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcrypto/2013Jul/0070.html
20:52:06 <wseltzer> zakim, take up next agendum
20:52:06 <Zakim> agendum 1. "introduction" taken up [from virginie]
20:52:14 <wseltzer> zakim, take up agendum 4
20:52:14 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Web Crypto Key Discovery" taken up [from virginie]
20:53:11 <wseltzer> MichaelH: use case for multiple keys on a single device
20:53:18 <wseltzer> ... home automation system
20:53:37 <wseltzer> ... see email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcrypto/2013Jul/0070.html
20:53:41 <wseltzer> q?
20:54:47 <wseltzer> ACTION, MichaelH to make proposal to amend API
20:54:56 <wseltzer> ACTION: MichaelH to make proposal to amend API
20:54:56 <trackbot> Error finding 'MichaelH'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/track/users>.
20:55:26 <wseltzer> ACTION: Michael Hutchinson to make proposal to amend API
20:55:26 <trackbot> 'Michael' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., MHutchinson, mjones7).
20:55:30 <arunranga> +1 Viriginie
20:55:32 <wseltzer> ACTION: MHutchinson to make proposal to amend API
20:55:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-114 - Make proposal to amend api [on Michael Hutchinson - due 2013-09-23].
20:56:08 <MichaelH> virginie: Please register
20:56:17 <wseltzer> [TPAC 2013: http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/ ]
20:56:49 <MichaelH> @wseltzer  <http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/track/users>.DOCUMENT NOT FOUND
20:56:50 <wseltzer> [early-bird registration until 18 Oct; get your visa invitation letters if necessary ]
20:57:54 <MichaelH> ...Any topic please mention it early!
20:58:15 <rsleevi> +1 to attending to TPAC
20:58:19 <mete> +1
20:58:20 <markw> +1
20:58:22 <kodonog> +1
20:58:26 <wseltzer> +1
20:58:28 <jimsch> +0 Status is currently unknown
20:58:31 <israelh> +1
20:58:32 <wseltzer> q+
20:58:34 <MichaelH> +0
20:58:39 <virginie> +1
20:59:24 <rsleevi> I said I'm attending
20:59:38 <MichaelH> ...Just try and stop him!
20:59:57 <MichaelH> ...Visa could be an issue
20:59:58 <hhalpin_> +1
21:00:27 <MichaelH> ...so get your request in early
21:00:52 <MichaelH> Next call in 2 weeks
21:01:00 <MichaelH> Web Certificate API
21:01:05 <hhalpin_> If you submit your registration and email Beihang for a visa letter, you will get I believe by Sept 30th.
21:01:20 <Zakim> -bryaneyler
21:01:21 <hhalpin_> Also, note next call Dan Boneh wants some time for his review of the API.
21:01:50 <Zakim> -jyates
21:01:53 <MichaelH> ...MichaelH please get proposal in so we can review that
21:01:58 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
21:02:02 <Zakim> -Virginie_Galindo
21:02:04 <Zakim> -rsleevi.a
21:02:05 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:02:05 <Zakim> -markw
21:02:07 <Zakim> -kodonog
21:02:07 <Zakim> -arunranga
21:02:08 <Zakim> -Wendy
21:02:09 <mete> bye
21:02:14 <MichaelH> @wseltzer close scibe?
21:02:16 <wseltzer> trackbot, end teleconf
21:02:16 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
21:02:16 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been mete, +1.617.253.aaaa, Wendy, +1.512.257.aabb, +1.408.540.aacc, virginie, markw, jyates, +1.540.809.aadd, kodonog, +1.650.275.aaee,
21:02:19 <Zakim> ... Virginie_Galindo, +1.512.257.aaff, +1.415.294.aagg, MichaelH, arunranga, jimschaad, bryaneyler, israelh, [IPcaller]
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21:02:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
21:02:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/16-crypto-minutes.html trackbot
21:02:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
21:02:33 <MichaelH> @wseltzer thanks!
21:02:33 <wseltzer> rrsagent, make logs public
21:02:40 <wseltzer> rrsagent, make minutes
21:02:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/16-crypto-minutes.html wseltzer
21:07:07 <wseltzer> hhalpin_, no, that starts at 20:28
21:35:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, MichaelH, in SEC_WebCryp()4:00PM
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21:35:03 <Zakim> Attendees were mete, +1.617.253.aaaa, Wendy, +1.512.257.aabb, +1.408.540.aacc, virginie, markw, jyates, +1.540.809.aadd, kodonog, +1.650.275.aaee, Virginie_Galindo,
21:35:04 <Zakim> ... +1.512.257.aaff, +1.415.294.aagg, MichaelH, arunranga, jimschaad, bryaneyler, israelh, [IPcaller]
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