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14:56:47 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:56:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:56:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:56:51 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:56:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:56:52 <trackbot> Date: 12 September 2013
14:57:03 <aphillip> Regrets: Mati
14:57:25 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Sep/0011.html
14:57:31 <aphillip> agenda+ Radar
14:57:38 <aphillip> agenda+ CSS3 Fonts
14:58:03 <aphillip> agenda+ What Time Is This Meeting At?
14:58:10 <aphillip> agenda+ PRECIS
14:58:13 <aphillip> agenda?
14:58:24 <aphillip> agenda- 6
14:58:36 <aphillip> agenda- 2
14:58:39 <aphillip> agenda- 3
14:58:43 <aphillip> agenda- 4
14:58:45 <aphillip> agenda?
14:58:52 <aphillip> agenda- 5
14:59:17 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:59:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:59:25 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillip
14:59:28 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:59:34 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:00:14 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:00:15 <Zakim> apparently I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended, aphillip
15:00:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, ed8, r12a, Zakim, trackbot
15:00:22 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:00:22 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:00:24 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
15:00:24 <Zakim> +Richard
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15:01:01 <Zakim> +??P5
15:01:03 <Zakim> +aphillip
15:01:20 <r12a> agenda+ Translate attribute and attributes in HTML5
15:01:42 <Zakim> +JcK
15:01:42 <David> David has joined #i18n
15:02:30 <aphillip> richard: in html5 it says "these attributes are translate"
15:02:44 <Zakim> +DavidClarke
15:02:44 <aphillip> ... not clear if you put translate=no on element it makes the attributes translate?
15:03:03 <aphillip> felix: if you put translate=no then attributes aren't either
15:03:32 <aphillip> richard: doesn't say that??
15:03:37 <aphillip> felix: something to clarify
15:03:43 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:03:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, aphillip, fsasaki, JcK, DavidClarke
15:03:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see David, JcK, RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, ed8, r12a, Zakim, trackbot
15:04:17 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:04:19 <aphillip> agenda?
15:05:50 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:05:59 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:07:31 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:07:39 <aphillip> close ACTION-255
15:07:39 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-255.
15:07:56 <aphillip> close ACTION-256
15:07:56 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-256.
15:08:04 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:08:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:08:16 <aphillip> zakim, who is noisy?
15:08:26 <Zakim> aphillip, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DavidClarke (64%), fsasaki (39%)
15:08:38 <aphillip> zakim, mute DavidClarke
15:08:40 <Zakim> DavidClarke should now be muted
15:08:47 <aphillip> felix: did presentation on ITS
15:08:57 <aphillip> ... hosted a booth about Metanet
15:09:06 <aphillip> ... sat on an MT panel
15:09:13 <aphillip> ... lots of interest in ITS
15:09:34 <aphillip> ... some comments "how can I evaluate benefits for business decision about ITS"
15:09:48 <aphillip> ... might need a project/effort to study
15:10:05 <aphillip> ... lots of general agreement about value, but not anything quantitative
15:10:10 <r12a> q+
15:10:10 <aphillip> ... quite interesting week
15:10:22 <fsasaki> http://www.mtsummit2013.info/programme.asp
15:10:32 <aphillip> ack r12a
15:11:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:11:40 <aphillip> felix: less recognition of need for standard formats like xliff and such
15:12:53 <aphillip> JcK: is it too late to appeal for standard c12n formats?
15:16:26 <aphillip> agenda+ canonicalization
15:16:36 <aphillip> agenda?
15:16:49 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:16:49 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review Radar" taken up [from aphillip]
15:16:59 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
15:18:09 <r12a> q+
15:18:57 <aphillip> ack r12a
15:19:36 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: add link to tracker product on radar page
15:19:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-257 - Add link to tracker product on radar page [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-09-19].
15:19:56 <aphillip> agenda?
15:20:17 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:20:17 <Zakim> agendum 7. "CSS3 Fonts" taken up [from aphillip]
15:20:32 <aphillip> richard: just sent out a bunch of comments in tracker
15:20:36 <aphillip> ... mostly editorial
15:20:46 <aphillip> ... just four substantive or for WG attention
15:20:56 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/51
15:21:08 <aphillip> richard: issue 295
15:21:19 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/295
15:21:42 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-fonts-3/#unicode-range-desc
15:22:29 <aphillip> addison: agree with that
15:22:42 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/296
15:25:18 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/299
15:25:30 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-fonts-3/#cluster-matching
15:31:39 <aphillip> addison: agree
15:31:43 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/301
15:33:10 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/REC-charmod-20050215/#sec-RefUnicode
15:33:39 <r12a> C065  [S]  All generic references to ISO/IEC 10646 [ISO/IEC 10646] MUST refer to the latest version of ISO/IEC 10646 available at the date of publication of the containing specification.
15:33:57 <r12a>  C064  [S]  All generic references to the Unicode Standard [Unicode] MUST refer to the latest version of the Unicode Standard available at the date of publication of the containing specification.
15:34:13 <aphillip> Unicode     The Unicode Consortium, The Unicode Standard, Version 4, ISBN 0-321-18578-1, as updated from time to time by the publication of new versions. (See http://www.unicode.org/unicode/standard/versions for the latest version and additional information on versions of the standard and of the Unicode Character Database).
15:34:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:34:45 <aphillip> request that they add additional verbiage
15:35:21 <aphillip> chair: objections to these being WG comments?
15:35:46 <Zakim> -DavidClarke
15:35:52 <aphillip> s/these/these four/
15:36:40 <aphillip> agenda?
15:36:52 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:36:52 <Zakim> agendum 8. "What Time Is This Meeting At?" taken up [from aphillip]
15:38:03 <aphillip> action: addison: send proposal for date to switch telecon time to standard time using same wall time
15:38:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-258 - Send proposal for date to switch telecon time to standard time using same wall time [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-09-19].
15:38:11 <aphillip> agenda?
15:38:56 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:38:56 <Zakim> agendum 9. "PRECIS" taken up [from aphillip]
15:41:16 <aphillip> agenda?
15:41:31 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 11
15:41:31 <Zakim> agendum 11. "canonicalization" taken up [from aphillip]
15:41:46 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:41:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:42:29 <aphillip> JcK: some advantages to using as few ways of doing things as possible
15:42:32 <aphillip> ... particularly on the wire
15:42:41 <aphillip> ... too late to say "don't do that ever"
15:43:09 <aphillip> ... consider "harmful" vs. "necessary"
15:48:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:48:55 <aphillip> Topic: Encoding document
15:50:56 <aphillip> addison: need to publish, will push new document to richard for FPWD by next tuesday
15:51:03 <aphillip> Topic: TPAC
15:51:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:51:36 <aphillip> richard: only richard and chinese office manager at TPAC
15:51:47 <aphillip> ... plus eight observers
15:51:53 <aphillip> richard: anyone else going?
15:52:05 <aphillip> ... should we have a meeting room?
15:54:30 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: send reminder about TPAC with warning will cancel room
15:54:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-259 - Send reminder about tpac with warning will cancel room [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-09-19].
15:55:13 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:55:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:55:56 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:55:58 <Zakim> -JcK
15:55:59 <Zakim> -fsasaki
15:56:08 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:56:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:56:42 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, JohnK, Felix, David
15:56:46 <aphillip> rrsagent make minutes
15:56:56 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
15:56:56 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
15:56:58 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
15:56:58 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, aphillip, fsasaki, JcK, DavidClarke
15:57:21 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:57:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:57:23 <aphillip> zakim, bye
15:57:23 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
15:57:45 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
15:57:45 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:57:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: add link to tracker product on radar page [1]
15:57:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-irc#T15-19-36
15:57:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: send proposal for date to switch telecon time to standard time using same wall time [2]
15:57:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-irc#T15-38-03
15:57:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: send reminder about TPAC with warning will cancel room [3]
15:57:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-i18n-irc#T15-54-30