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16:00:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
16:00:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:00:46 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:00:46 <trackbot> Date: 12 September 2013
16:00:54 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:00:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, +1.626.379.aaaa
16:01:02 <janina> zakim, ??P2 is me
16:01:02 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:01:04 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013JulSep/0023.html
16:01:10 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
16:01:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
16:01:35 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:01:55 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has me
16:01:55 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:02:05 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
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16:02:37 <krisk> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] is krisk
16:02:38 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
16:02:38 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
16:02:43 <jaymunro> zakim, micrsoft.aa has me
16:02:43 <Zakim> sorry, jaymunro, I do not recognize a party named 'micrsoft.aa'
16:02:53 <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft.aa has me
16:02:53 <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
16:03:00 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:03:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, +1.626.379.aaaa, [Microsoft], krisk, [Microsoft.aa]
16:03:03 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
16:03:03 <Zakim> [Microsoft.aa] has jaymunro
16:03:03 <krisk> Chair: PaulC
16:03:09 <krisk> scribe: krisk
16:03:15 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
16:03:24 <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft.a has me
16:03:25 <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
16:03:42 <Zakim> +Plh
16:03:59 <paulc> zakim, [aaaa] is daniel_austin
16:03:59 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[aaaa]'
16:04:24 <plh> zakim, aaaa is Daniel_Austin
16:04:24 <Zakim> +Daniel_Austin; got it
16:04:24 <paulc> zakim, aaaa is daniel_austin
16:04:25 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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16:05:15 <paulc> plh beats paulc
16:05:17 <Zakim> + +1.818.954.aabb
16:05:29 <CyrilRa> zakim, aabb is me
16:05:29 <Zakim> +CyrilRa; got it
16:05:58 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:05:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, Daniel_Austin, [Microsoft], krisk, [Microsoft.aa], [Microsoft.a], Plh, CyrilRa
16:05:59 <krisk> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, September 5
16:06:00 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
16:06:00 <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
16:06:00 <Zakim> [Microsoft.aa] has jaymunro
16:06:02 <krisk> none
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16:06:06 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
16:06:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
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16:06:11 <krisk> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
16:06:18 <krisk> none
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16:06:27 <krisk> TOPIC: Decisions this week
16:06:28 <krisk> none
16:06:30 <Zakim> +Sam
16:06:30 <paulc> rubys: Are you joining us?
16:06:42 <Zakim> +Clarke
16:06:45 <krisk> TOPIC: Outstanding closed CfCs
16:06:57 <krisk> SUBTOPIC: CfC: Approve overview of Canvas testing in view of permissive CR exit criteria, closed Sept 4
16:07:06 <krisk> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jul/0032.html
16:07:13 <Zakim> + +1.760.591.aacc
16:07:24 <krisk> paulc: note that we have two of them and the closed Sept 4th
16:07:55 <krisk> paulc: co-chairs needs to meet and discuss both of these two outstanding items
16:08:06 <krisk> Item #1 Extension
16:08:11 <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jul/0043.html
16:08:18 <krisk> http://www.w3.org/2013/08/15-html-wg-minutes.html#item06
16:08:27 <krisk> Item #2 Update
16:08:45 <pladd> Zakim, aacc is me
16:08:45 <Zakim> +pladd; got it
16:08:49 <krisk> CfC: Approve overview of testing in view of permissive CR exit, closed Sep 4
16:08:57 <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jun/0033.html
16:09:02 <krisk> Extension:
16:09:07 <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jul/0042.html
16:09:15 <krisk> http://www.w3.org/2013/08/15-html-wg-minutes.html#item06
16:09:24 <krisk> TOPIC: Last Call and heartbeat publications
16:09:28 <paulc> WG Decisions on both of these CfCs are pending.  In the Chairs input queue.
16:09:49 <paulc> We are still waiting on EME and Polyglot Candidate heartbeat Working Drafts from the respective Editors.
16:09:50 <krisk> paulc: the first is for EME and the next is Polyglot
16:09:57 <krisk> EME and Polyglot: We are still waiting on EME and Polyglot Candidate heartbeat Working Drafts from the respective Editors.
16:10:16 <krisk> For EME the editor has been family illness and has been out of the office
16:10:36 <Eliot> q+
16:10:49 <krisk> For polygot the editor has asked the co-chairs some questions
16:10:57 <krisk> paulc: for polygot we have zero bugs
16:11:12 <rubys> ack next
16:11:26 <paulc> Polyglot bugs are at zero: http://intertwingly.net/tmp/wgtrends.cgi#html-xhtml-compatibility-authoring-guide
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16:12:05 <krisk> Eliot: The editors are working to compete this and get a candidate working draft and publish this as a heardbeat
16:12:42 <krisk> paulc: One the document has been published the co-chairs will start to bring the question to the working group on normativity of the document
16:13:03 <krisk> Next Still waiting for feedback from PF re: WAI-ARIA in HTML:
16:13:08 <Zakim> + +1.415.230.aadd
16:13:38 <krisk> paulc: This document was almost published but it was blocked because we are waiting for concensus from PF
16:13:55 <krisk> http://www.w3.org/2013/09/05-html-a11y-minutes.html#item02
16:14:26 <krisk> paulc: Let me help here
16:14:39 <krisk> paulc: see the minutes from last week (just above)
16:14:48 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/TR/aria-in-html/
16:15:27 <paulc> What was published this week is: http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aapi/
16:15:54 <paulc> Title: HTML to Platform Accessibility APIs Implementation Guide
16:16:56 <krisk> paulc: The task force needs to take note of publications
16:17:32 <paulc> See bug on status section on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23209
16:19:02 <paulc> PF WG will run a CfC to permi the publication of Using ARIA
16:19:03 <krisk> janina: I'm sorry and we'll get this done so that PF can permit publication using ARIA
16:19:20 <krisk> Next Last Call WD: Media Source Extensions published on Sep 5
16:19:41 <krisk> see http://www.w3.org/News/2013#entry-9930
16:19:55 <krisk> paulc: Has the accessibility task force looked into EME?
16:20:10 <krisk> janina: Yes we are aware of this and are tracking this work
16:20:27 <paulc> s/EME/MSE/
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16:20:57 <paulc> Heartbeat WD: HTML to Platform Accessibility APIs Implementation Guide published on Sep 10
16:21:03 <krisk> The next agenda item was discussed above
16:21:06 <paulc> See above discussion.
16:22:38 <Zakim> - +1.415.230.aadd
16:24:25 <krisk> TOPIC: Task Force Reports
16:24:35 <krisk> SUBTOPIC:
16:24:43 <krisk> We met on #testing this week as planned
16:25:02 <krisk> The discussion was really about TPAC and who is planning on attending
16:25:44 <krisk> A TTWF event will be occuring at this time and they are looking for some people to potentially give a talk and/or help
16:25:58 <krisk> Ideally the person can give a talk in Chinese
16:26:01 <paulc> TTWF is on Sat before TPAC week in Shenzen
16:26:32 <krisk> James Graham will be attending
16:26:38 <paulc> TTWF: http://testthewebforward.org/#
16:27:29 <krisk> paulc: The chairs may be asking about how the TTF can help with the Canvas Document
16:27:37 <krisk> krisk: OK
16:28:38 <krisk> paulc: We suspect is that we have areas of the spec that are at RISK and the features are accessibility related
16:28:45 <krisk> janina: I believe we are OK
16:29:24 <krisk> paulc: The spec could move forward by removing the at risk features
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16:30:49 <krisk> paulc: The process would be to delete from 5.0 and then added to 5.1
16:31:22 <krisk> paulc: Leaving them in 5.1 (v2) would allow implementation time
16:31:32 <krisk> SUBTOPIC: Accessibility Task Force
16:31:39 <krisk> paulc: any items to add?
16:32:15 <krisk> janina: Testing has started (not complete) for implementations
16:32:35 <krisk> janina: We are working on how to publish/process comments we have recieved
16:33:00 <krisk> janins: We have a few bugs on 'alt' in html 5.0
16:33:23 <krisk> janina: we think we can be done with 'alt' bugs in weeks (not months)
16:33:45 <krisk> paulc: Their are zero bugs on image description?
16:33:59 <krisk> janina: We are handling them in tracker and not bugzilla
16:34:19 <krisk> paulc: We need to have them in bugzilla and I though this was agreed upon last week
16:34:23 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
16:34:44 <krisk> paulc: Can you give me a link?
16:35:25 <krisk> janina: I'll need some more time
16:35:43 <paulc> May be member-only: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/44061/WD-html-longdesc-20130716/
16:35:48 <krisk> paulc: I found the link - though it's member only which should not be the case
16:36:13 <krisk> krisk: I also get prompted
16:36:25 <krisk> paulc: Looks like we have 3 comments?
16:36:32 <krisk> janina: We have 5 actually
16:37:10 <krisk> SUBTOPIC: Media Task Force
16:37:27 <krisk> The TF has worked on EME during the last month
16:37:42 <krisk> paulc: we have not made alot of progress on bugs
16:38:05 <krisk> paulc: one of the editors have been out of the office, though we are looking to publish a heartbeat next week
16:39:03 <krisk> paulc: We do have some last call MSE bugs which means we'll go back to work on the MSE spec
16:39:27 <krisk> ..once these are done we'll work on the EME spec
16:39:38 <paulc> EME status: http://intertwingly.net/tmp/wgtrends.cgi#encrypted-media-extensions
16:39:51 <krisk> paulc: any questions for the task forces?
16:39:54 <krisk> paulc: none
16:40:03 <krisk> TOPIC: Registration for F2F meeting, Shenzen, Nov 14-15
16:40:08 <krisk> http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/
16:40:19 <krisk> HTML WG meets on Thurs/Friday
16:40:28 <plh> q+
16:40:35 <krisk> paulc: 33 people have registers with about 40 observers
16:40:49 <krisk> paulc: Registration ends on Oct 18th
16:41:07 <plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2013Sep/0004.html
16:41:10 <krisk> plh: The web performance group wants to meet at the event (one hour?)
16:41:46 <paulc> Wiki agenda page: http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-11-Agenda
16:42:05 <krisk> paulc: please add this the wiki (other agenda items as well)
16:42:13 <krisk> paulc: what is the specific topic?
16:42:24 <paulc> timing: 02:30 PM - 04:00 PM:    HTML5 Working Group visit
16:42:27 <krisk> plh: Resource priority and pre-rendering
16:42:32 <paulc> on thursday Nov 14
16:42:53 <krisk> plh: What parts should be in HTML vs the web performance wg
16:43:02 <krisk> paulc: It sounds like an extension spec?
16:43:15 <krisk> paulc: why would it not just be in their spec?
16:43:33 <krisk> plh: Some people think the extension would be better in the HTML spec
16:43:44 <krisk> paulc: Is this a quality of the spec issue?
16:43:57 <Zakim> -Daniel_Austin
16:44:09 <rubys> q+
16:44:17 <paulc> ack plh
16:44:22 <Zakim> +Daniel_Austin
16:44:25 <paulc> ack rubys
16:44:29 <krisk> plh: We want to first talk about the attributes and then figure where they are best to be located
16:45:08 <krisk> rubys: We have tried really hard to make sure that attributes that are not in HTML are no second class citizens
16:45:24 <rubys> s/no second/not second/
16:45:24 <krisk> paulc: should a co-chair attend a web perf meeting?
16:46:17 <krisk> paulc: Please tell web perf to discuss this friday morning - ok?
16:46:21 <krisk> plh: sure
16:47:40 <krisk> paulc: Many people may needs a visa and the registration page information about getting a 'invitation letter'
16:47:53 <Zakim> -pladd
16:48:50 <krisk> paulc: We were holding off on publish until the recent meeting in France
16:49:03 <krisk> paulc: so we should process the bugs and work on publishing the document
16:49:11 <paulc> Adaptive image spec bugs: http://intertwingly.net/tmp/wgtrends.cgi#adaptive-image-element
16:50:15 <krisk> paulc: plh it seems we need to have an agenda item to discuss this two features
16:50:27 <krisk> paulc: any other items to discuss?
16:50:33 <krisk> paulc: none
16:50:44 <krisk> paulc: I can c-chair next week
16:50:55 <krisk> krisk I can scribe
16:51:02 <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:51:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
16:51:42 <Zakim> -Clarke
16:51:43 <Zakim> -janina
16:51:43 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
16:51:45 <Zakim> -Sam
16:51:46 <Zakim> -Daniel_Austin
16:51:47 <Zakim> -Plh
16:51:48 <Zakim> -CyrilRa
16:51:50 <krisk> paulc: meeting adjourned
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16:52:15 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:54:35 <Zakim> -krisk
16:54:36 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:54:36 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.626.379.aaaa, janina, paulc, [Microsoft], krisk, jaymunro, Eliot, Plh, Daniel_Austin, +1.818.954.aabb, CyrilRa, Sam, Clarke, +1.760.591.aacc, pladd,
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