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14:58:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:58:44 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM already started
14:58:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:58:45 <trackbot> Date: 10 September 2013
14:59:10 <Zakim> +Alan_Smith
14:59:21 <MichaelC> regrets: Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Kerstin_Probiesch
14:59:28 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013JulSep/0098.html
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14:59:50 <AWK> Zakim, Adobe is AWK
14:59:50 <Zakim> +AWK; got it
15:00:00 <AWK> Chair: AWK
15:00:35 <Zakim> +??P36
15:00:53 <Zakim> + +1.703.825.aaaa
15:00:59 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Sailesh_Panchang
15:01:01 <Zakim> +Sailesh_Panchang; got it
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15:01:47 <Zakim> +Kathy
15:01:51 <Zakim> + +1.650.506.aabb
15:01:58 <korn> Zakim, aabb has Peter_Korn
15:01:58 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
15:02:25 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see AWK, Alan_Smith, Michael_Cooper, Sailesh_Panchang, +1.650.506.aabb, Kathy
15:02:27 <Zakim> +1.650.506.aabb has Peter_Korn
15:02:57 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:03:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:16 <Loretta> zakim, IPcaller is Loretta
15:04:16 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
15:04:21 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is Cherie_Eckholm
15:04:21 <Zakim> +Cherie_Eckholm; got it
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15:06:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:06:07 <AWK> Scribe: korn
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15:06:38 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:06:38 <Zakim> sorry, Joshue, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:06:45 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
15:06:45 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
15:06:48 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:06:48 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:07:25 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
15:07:25 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
15:08:03 <MichaelC> queue+
15:08:16 <MichaelC> q-
15:08:18 <MichaelC> q +
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15:08:59 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
15:08:59 <Zakim> Joshue was not muted, Joshue
15:09:00 <korn> TOPIC: Institutional Memory Collection for SC 1.2.1-1.2.3
15:09:14 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/InstMem12/
15:09:27 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
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15:10:09 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/InstMem12/
15:10:43 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:10:43 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
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15:12:36 <korn> Survey at https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/InstMem12/ for 1.2.1 seems to have captured group thoughts
15:12:59 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:12:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue108
15:13:47 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
15:13:47 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
15:13:51 <Joshue108> +q
15:20:16 <Joshue108> ack me
15:20:26 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
15:20:26 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:21:39 <korn> Action: Kathy to add survey results from 1.2.1 thru 1.2.3 to instutional memory wiki
15:21:39 <trackbot> Error finding 'Kathy'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.
15:22:06 <korn> Action: KWahlbin to add survey results from 1.2.1 thru 1.2.3 to instutional memory wiki
15:22:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-214 - Add survey results from 1.2.1 thru 1.2.3 to instutional memory wiki [on Kathleen Wahlbin - due 2013-09-17].
15:22:54 <korn> TOPIC: WCAG review of Techniques Task Force: ARIA techniques for 10 September 2013
15:23:01 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGTechs20130910/
15:24:27 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
15:24:27 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
15:24:50 <korn> RESOLUTION: accept survey questions 6 & 7 - F86: Failure of Success Criterion 4.1.2 and ARIA-edit: F68: Failure of Success Criterion 1.3.1 and 4.1.2
15:25:04 <korn> /4.1.2/4.1.2 as proposed
15:26:16 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
15:28:39 <AWK> ack Bru
15:28:52 <MichaelC> regrets- Bruce_Bailey
15:29:18 <Joshue108> +1 to Bruce
15:29:23 <Loretta> q+
15:29:56 <Kathy> q+
15:30:03 <korn> q+
15:30:15 <AWK> ack lor
15:32:03 <AWK> Ack sail
15:32:20 <Joshue108> +q to say what is this technique for? Will the user want to navigate by these headings and be able to using this method?
15:33:09 <AWK> ack kathy
15:33:10 <Joshue108> +q to say if it is to imply context or hierarchy then in a way that is a separate use case.
15:33:11 <Kathy> ack me
15:34:19 <Loretta> q+
15:35:20 <AWK> ack korn
15:35:28 <Loretta> q-
15:35:51 <Loretta> q+
15:36:15 <korn> q-
15:36:20 <Joshue108> ack me
15:36:20 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to say what is this technique for? Will the user want to navigate by these headings and be able to using this method? and to say if it is to imply context or
15:36:21 <AWK> ack jo
15:36:24 <Zakim> ... hierarchy then in a way that is a separate use case.
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15:38:10 <AWK> ack lor
15:38:13 <Joshue108> ack lor
15:38:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:39:03 <adam_solomon> this is adam
15:39:11 <korn> q+
15:39:15 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is Adam_Solomon
15:39:15 <Zakim> +Adam_Solomon; got it
15:40:38 <Kathy> q+
15:41:41 <AWK> ack korn
15:42:24 <AWK> q+
15:42:59 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
15:42:59 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:43:45 <Zakim> -Adam_Solomon
15:43:59 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
15:44:01 <korn> q-
15:44:02 <AWK> ack sail
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15:44:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:45:00 <adam_solomon> zakim, IPcaller is Adam_Solomon
15:45:00 <Zakim> +Adam_Solomon; got it
15:45:19 <AWK> ack kathy
15:45:20 <Kathy> ack me
15:46:12 <AWK> ack me
15:46:29 <Joshue108> ack AWK
15:47:40 <Joshue108> I can live with the level 7 heading, if there are valid use cases for it.
15:48:00 <james> rrsagent, make minutes
15:48:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html james
15:49:27 <Joshue108> +q
15:49:34 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
15:49:34 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
15:53:02 <Joshue108> -q
15:53:09 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
15:53:09 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:58:32 <Zakim> -Alan_Smith
15:58:58 <AWK> ACTION: kwahlbin to help provide additional detail for the description about using role=heading in a hierarchy, and an example of same.
15:58:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-215 - Help provide additional detail for the description about using role=heading in a hierarchy, and an example of same. [on Kathleen Wahlbin - due 2013-09-17].
15:59:19 <AWK> RESOLUTION: Leave open
15:59:19 <Alands> Had to drop. will dial back in shortly
16:00:56 <AWK> ACTION: Bruce to draft possible failure for using role=heading without aria-level to represent a hierarchy of headings.
16:00:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-216 - Draft possible failure for using role=heading without aria-level to represent a hierarchy of headings. [on Bruce Bailey - due 2013-09-17].
16:02:21 <korn> Discussion Survey item #2: ARIA Technique: Using aria-labelledby to provide a text alternative for non-text content
16:02:22 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
16:02:22 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
16:02:42 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:02:42 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:04:22 <Joshue108> +q
16:04:28 <AWK> ack b
16:04:30 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
16:04:30 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
16:04:38 <AWK> ack jo
16:04:48 <Kathy> q+
16:05:22 <AWK> ack kathy
16:05:24 <Zakim> -Adam_Solomon
16:05:29 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:05:29 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:05:45 <james> q?
16:05:48 <james> q+
16:06:12 <AWK> ack j
16:06:14 <AWK> q+
16:06:56 <Zakim> -Cherie_Eckholm
16:07:56 <AWK> ack me
16:08:02 <AWK> ack sail
16:08:27 <Loretta> q+
16:08:37 <james> q+
16:08:49 <Zakim> +Alan_Smith
16:09:17 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
16:09:17 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
16:09:32 <AWK> ack lor
16:09:34 <Joshue108> ack lor
16:09:37 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:09:37 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:09:46 <james> UA advice - http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#textalternativecomputation
16:12:18 <Loretta> q+
16:13:26 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
16:13:26 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
16:13:47 <Zakim> -Alan_Smith
16:15:42 <james> q+
16:15:50 <Loretta> q-
16:16:02 <james> q+ to say that WCAG doesn't require validity anyway
16:16:27 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:16:27 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:17:24 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
16:17:24 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
16:17:44 <Joshue108> validation !=accessibility
16:17:50 <Loretta> q+
16:19:12 <AWK> ack jame
16:19:12 <Zakim> james, you wanted to say that WCAG doesn't require validity anyway
16:19:15 <Loretta> q-
16:24:23 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:24:23 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:24:26 <Joshue108> lol
16:25:19 <Joshue108> zakim, queue?
16:25:19 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:25:45 <Joshue108> indeed
16:25:47 <Joshue108> np
16:25:55 <Joshue108> LOL!
16:28:40 <Kathy> q+
16:29:03 <Kathy> ack me
16:31:29 <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
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16:33:52 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
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16:34:55 <korn> RESOLUTION: Accept survey question #2 ARIA Technique: Using aria-labelledby to provide a text alternative for non-text content as amended in meeting
16:35:31 <korn> TOPIC: Update on WCAG Techniques release schedule
16:35:34 <korn> AWK: Feedback has been that folks want more techniques and have them  more quickly.  Suggestion is to release techniques more quickly than  previously
16:36:01 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
16:36:03 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:36:04 <Zakim> -Kathy
16:36:05 <Zakim> -Sailesh_Panchang
16:36:07 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
16:36:12 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:36:13 <Zakim> - +1.650.506.aabb
16:36:13 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:36:18 <Zakim> -AWK
16:36:19 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended
16:36:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Alan_Smith, AWK, Michael_Cooper, +1.703.825.aaaa, Sailesh_Panchang, Kathy, Peter_Korn, Loretta, Cherie_Eckholm, Joshue, Marc_Johlic, Bruce_Bailey, Adam_Solomon,
16:36:19 <Zakim> ... James_Nurthen
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16:50:39 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:50:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
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17:45:24 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
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17:45:26 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
17:45:26 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
17:45:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kathy to add survey results from 1.2.1 thru 1.2.3 to instutional memory wiki [1]
17:45:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-wai-wcag-irc#T15-21-39
17:45:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KWahlbin to add survey results from 1.2.1 thru 1.2.3 to instutional memory wiki [2]
17:45:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-wai-wcag-irc#T15-22-06
17:45:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kwahlbin to help provide additional detail for the description about using role=heading in a hierarchy, and an example of same. [3]
17:45:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-wai-wcag-irc#T15-58-58
17:45:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Bruce to draft possible failure for using role=heading without aria-level to represent a hierarchy of headings. [4]
17:45:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-wai-wcag-irc#T16-00-56