19:02:19 RRSAgent has joined #aapi 19:02:19 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-aapi-irc 19:02:21 RRSAgent, make logs member 19:02:21 Zakim has joined #aapi 19:02:23 Zakim, this will be WAI_PF 19:02:23 ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM already started 19:02:24 Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference 19:02:24 Date: 10 September 2013 19:02:39 Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter 19:02:39 +David_Bolter; got it 19:03:16 +[GVoice] 19:03:26 zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer 19:03:26 +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it 19:03:33 cyns has joined #aapi 19:04:09 scribenick: clown 19:04:19 zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer 19:04:19 ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer 19:04:36 chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer 19:04:45 +Cynthia_Shelly 19:04:57 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Sep/0003.html 19:05:36 topic: Actions triage. 19:05:41 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10 19:05:56 action-983? 19:05:56 action-983 -- David Bolter to Create MSAA/IA2 special case test cases from existing generated test cases for the tables. -- due 2012-03-14 -- OPEN 19:05:56 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/983 19:07:30 +??P11 19:08:49 JS: I wonder if Michael has an opinion. 19:09:06 MC: when I created the test cases, it auto generated them from the table. 19:09:25 MC: there are some test cases where only the first line was put in. 19:09:36 MC: But, when I looked at it recently, it looked like it was all there. 19:10:08 MC: I'm no sure if this action is to just check the auto-generated tests. 19:10:28 CS: this action was initiated at a face-to-face. 19:11:08 MC: to the best of my knowledge, this is either overcome by events or completed by someone. 19:11:19 CS: I think we should call this done. David? 19:11:33 DB: we can re-open if we are wrong. 19:12:05 resolved: close action-983 as done. 19:12:27 action-983: we think this is done 19:12:27 Notes added to action-983 Create MSAA/IA2 special case test cases from existing generated test cases for the tables.. 19:12:30 close action-983 19:12:30 Closed action-983. 19:13:02 action-1102? 19:13:02 action-1102 -- David Bolter to Get someone to look at the SHOULD statements in the Role Mapping table. Can these be changed from "SHOULD be exposed" to "expose as" -- due 2012-07-25 -- OPEN 19:13:02 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1102 19:13:30 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table 19:13:54 DB: one for alert 19:13:58 JS: alertdialog 19:14:01 JS: and button 19:14:21 DB: I think if these are here, it was an agreement reached in one of these meetings. 19:14:50 http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-aapi-minutes#item02 19:15:10 JS: this comes from an old AAPI meeting. 19:15:57 JS: the question is: if you add aria-haspopup to a button, does it become a menubutton? 19:17:00 JS: it looks like the action was partly done. 19:17:21 DB: what is the import of removing the should on aria-pressed for button? 19:17:31 JS: it becomes a MUST and that incurs a test case. 19:18:33 DB: I think it should be okay. 19:18:55 DB: cynthia and I are leaning to just leaving it. 19:19:13 JS: I think it is a must, but I'm not going to fall on my sword for it. 19:19:37 JS: the spec states that aria-pressed on a button role turns it into a toggle button. 19:20:35 JS: so why are we wishy-washy with a SHOULD here? 19:21:03 DB: I think this goes back to when we were trying to make IE and FF interoperable. 19:21:17 DB: we had a normalized MSAA column 19:21:21 CS: If there is extra work, I think we should leave it or make it 1.1 19:21:37 JS: MIchael have an opinion. 19:21:47 CS: that's just a get this thing done. 19:21:53 DB: I see it as small. 19:24:40 DB: If making it normative made things more accessible, I'd be for making this normative. 19:24:54 resolved; move the action to 1.1. 19:25:18 action-1145? 19:25:18 action-1145 -- David Bolter to Replace the "should be" the sentence "The structure should be reflected in the accessibility tree as directed by aria-level" with "is". -- due 2013-01-17 -- OPEN 19:25:18 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1145 19:26:39 DB: Alex agreed to remove the statement. 19:28:42 JS: It looks like it was already deleted from aria-level 19:28:54 DB: can we delete from aria-posinset 19:29:20 JS: Yes, give me the action to remove that sentence from aria-posinset. 19:30:26 -David_Bolter 19:30:47 JS: let's continue from the top with Cynthia actions. 19:30:52 action-982? 19:30:52 action-982 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create UIA special case test cases from existing generated test cases. -- due 2013-07-01 -- OPEN 19:30:52 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/982 19:31:14 CS: I think this is done. Rich and I did a bunch of these. 19:31:22 CS: we may have missed some, but I think it's done. 19:31:27 JS: close it? 19:31:30 CS: yes. 19:31:41 resolved: Close action 982 as complete. 19:31:59 action-982: we think this is done 19:32:00 Notes added to action-982 Create UIA special case test cases from existing generated test cases.. 19:32:05 close action-982 19:32:05 Closed action-982. 19:32:22 action-1104? 19:32:22 action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies -- due 2013-09-17 -- OPEN 19:32:23 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104 19:33:20 CS: in UIA express, we just throw it in the legacy field. 19:33:44 CS: We don't have an implementation of pure UIA yet, so push it to aria 1.1 19:33:57 Resolved: move action 1104 to aria 1.1 19:34:10 action-1104: moving to aria 1.1 19:34:10 Notes added to action-1104 Define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies. 19:34:49 action-1255? 19:34:49 action-1255 -- Cynthia Shelly to Look into toggle patterns and how that needs to be modified in the uaig. -- due 2013-09-03 -- OPEN 19:34:49 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1255 19:35:19 CS: have not got to that yet, but I want to. 19:35:51 resolved: move due date to the 17th. 19:36:11 action-1257? 19:36:11 action-1257 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check the ie10 and ie11 to see how they map the treegrid role. -- due 2013-09-03 -- OPEN 19:36:11 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257 19:36:37 issue-595? 19:36:37 issue-595 -- treegrid for UIA has outline roles vs. gridcell roles. IE implemented gridcell - Change it? -- open 19:36:37 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595 19:37:22 resolved: move due date to a week from now. 19:38:00 action-1106? 19:38:00 action-1106 -- Michael Cooper to Sort UA behaviour test cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases -- due 2012-08-20 -- OPEN 19:38:00 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1106 19:38:32 JS: I think you have done that. 19:38:51 MC: having separating the test suties, I think this might be done. 19:40:01 MC: we can consider this done. All the aria test cases are in the AAPI inspection test. The UAIG are in the separate suite. 19:40:24 s/I think this might be done./I think this might be done. Let me look at the minutes./ 19:40:36 MC: let me take another quick look. 19:41:14 MC: skimming the test cases to see if there is anything missing. 19:41:33 MC: there may be a few tests, so we should keep the action open. 19:42:04 JS: could you add a note to the action, so we don't forget why we are keeping it open? 19:42:09 MC: okay. 19:42:22 action-1106: Most of the ARIA tests (test suite 1) are AAPI but there are a few that might be non AAPI 19:42:22 Notes added to action-1106 Sort UA behaviour test cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases. 19:42:26 action-1106: could move those to test suite 2 19:42:26 Notes added to action-1106 Sort UA behaviour test cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases. 19:42:36 JS: change the due date? 19:42:44 MC: I'll set it to next Tuesday. 19:42:49 action-1106 due 17 Sept 19:42:49 Set action-1106 Sort UA behaviour test cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases due date to 2013-09-17. 19:43:23 MC: I suspect there are tests that have been marked invalid. 19:43:33 action-1230? 19:43:33 action-1230 -- Michael Cooper to Ask Director if we have to test every cell in the ARIA UAIG, or if we can just do the columns, and if the UIA column can be considered implementable by precedent from surrounding columns particularly UIA Express -- due 2013-06-19 -- OPEN 19:43:34 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1230 19:43:59 MC: the action is completed, but still in process of dealing with it. 19:44:22 MC: we informally think we can go forward with the UIA column blank. 19:44:34 JS: it's not going to change the UAIG, is it? 19:44:53 MC: it's possible. We might have to remove the UIA column. 19:45:34 MC: it will be prudent to mark that column at risk. 19:45:50 MC: so be prepared to remove it. 19:46:12 MC: but try not to. 19:47:07 CS: some of the UIA express does the UIA mapping. 19:47:23 MC: they are similar, but are they the same mapping layer. 19:47:35 CS: they are the same mapping layer, and there is a bridge between them. 19:47:51 MC: we'll need that as part of what we tell the director. 19:48:25 action-1188? 19:48:25 action-1188 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to UAIG links to hard-dated ARIA draft (wai-aria-20110118) should link to TR latest -- due 2013-04-09 -- OPEN 19:48:25 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1188 19:48:49 JS: it was noticed that the link to aria spec is the CR version of the spec. 19:49:02 JS: James suggested it link to the current editor's draft. 19:49:26 JS: but, I noticed the text around link clearly state "CR" and gives a date about it. 19:49:52 MC: I think the generator goes through and attempts to update the links. 19:50:14 MC: pointing to the editor's is better for some ways. 19:50:53 MC: but pointing to the CR is best when the UAIG goes on TR. 19:51:48 MC: we have been careful to make just editorial changes to the spec. 19:52:42 MC: you could assign the action to me so that the generator creates the proper links. 19:53:59 resolved: re-assing action −1188 to MIchael as it is a build script problem. 19:55:00 action-1219? 19:55:00 action-1219 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to UAIG: passive RFC requirement: two instances of "The state change events MAY be trimmed out for performance" Who is this requirement for? Authors? UA? AT? Be specific. What does "trimmed out" mean? Be specific. -- due 2013-05-14 -- OPEN 19:55:01 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1219 19:56:24 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection 19:57:55 CS: it's a MAY. We don't need to worry about. 19:58:54 JS: I will email alex/david about it. 19:59:22 CS: unless we want to change the MAY to a MUST or MUST NOT, don't worry about. it. 19:59:45 action-1259? 19:59:45 action-1259 -- Michael Cooper to File a bug against trackbot to post a link in the irc to the trackbot-created actions. ;-) -- due 2013-09-16 -- OPEN 19:59:45 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1259 19:59:53 action-1256? 19:59:53 action-1256 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Modify msaa+uia express entry for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use msaa selectable state and selected proerty instead of uia togglepattern. -- due 2013-09-03 -- OPEN 19:59:53 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1256 20:00:45 -Michael_Cooper 20:00:47 -Cynthia_Shelly 20:01:16 JS: kind of tricky — need to add this text to both the aria-checked section and the radio/menuitemradio section. Should I do that? 20:01:21 CS: sounds okay to me. 20:01:31 JS: okay, that is how I'll do it. 20:01:39 JS: making a note in the action... 20:05:45 action-1256: add to radio/menuitemradio roles (paraphrase) "See aria-selected for mapping aria-checked values for radio button role". Similarly for menuitemradio role. add to aria-checked (paraphrase) see aria-selected for radio and menuitemradio roles. 20:05:45 Notes added to action-1256 Modify msaa+uia express entry for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use msaa selectable state and selected proerty instead of uia togglepattern.. 20:05:46 disconnecting the lone participant, Joseph_Scheuhammer, in WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM 20:05:48 WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has ended 20:05:48 Attendees were David_Bolter, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Cynthia_Shelly, Michael_Cooper 20:06:15 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make mintues', clown. Try /msg RRSAgent help 20:06:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-aapi-minutes.html clown 20:06:29 rrsagent, make log public 20:12:20 s/we have separating the test suites/we have separated the test suties/ 20:12:30 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make mintues', clown. Try /msg RRSAgent help 20:12:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-aapi-minutes.html clown 20:13:33 s/having separating the test suties/having separated the test suites/ 20:13:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-aapi-minutes.html clown 20:25:49 rrsagent, please part 20:25:49 I see no action items