14:52:31 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 14:52:31 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/09/03-wai-wcag-irc 14:52:33 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:52:33 Zakim has joined #wai-wcag 14:52:35 Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG 14:52:35 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes 14:52:36 Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 14:52:36 Date: 03 September 2013 14:52:46 regrets: David_MacDonald, Kerstin_Probiesch 14:52:53 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013JulSep/0090.html 14:54:12 WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has now started 14:54:19 + +1.510.334.aaaa 14:58:47 +[Adobe] 14:59:08 -[Adobe] 14:59:19 AWK has joined #wai-wcag 14:59:26 Joshue has joined #wai-wcag 14:59:33 is has joined #wai-wcag 15:00:19 +??P11 15:00:41 +[IPcaller] 15:00:42 +[Adobe] 15:00:46 Zakim, Adobe is AWK 15:00:46 +AWK; got it 15:00:52 zakim, IPCaller is Joshue 15:00:52 +Joshue; got it 15:00:56 zakim, aaaa is Peter_Korn 15:00:56 +Peter_Korn; got it 15:01:30 Zakim, chair is Joshue 15:01:30 sorry, AWK, I do not recognize a party named 'chair' 15:01:37 Chair: Joshue 15:01:56 + +1.703.225.aabb 15:02:12 Regrets: David MacDonald, Kerstin 15:02:14 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 15:02:15 zakim, agenda? 15:02:15 I see nothing on the agenda 15:02:33 + agenda Final review of the ARIA techniques on this page 15:02:33 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG_Aug20_2013/ 15:02:46 zakim, aabb is Sailesh_Panchang 15:02:46 +Sailesh_Panchang; got it 15:02:52 +[IPcaller] 15:03:06 zakim, IPcaller is Loretta 15:03:06 +Loretta; got it 15:03:07 zakim, agenda? 15:03:07 I see nothing on the agenda 15:03:19 agenda + Final review of the ARIA techniques on this page 15:03:19 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG_Aug20_2013/ 15:03:29 agenda + Mobile A11y and WCAG: Discussion 15:03:38 agenda + Training for WCAG group members: Discussion 15:03:46 agenda + Beyond HTML 5 and ARIA techniques: Discussion on exploring 15:03:46 accessibility requirements that are not currently met by WCAG. 15:03:54 adam_solomon has joined #wai-wcag 15:04:12 agenda + Feeding the institutional memory wiki, if you haven't already inputted on 1.3.1. Please do so. Also do input into SC 1.1.1 Text Alternatives. 15:04:12 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG20/Institutional_Memory/SC_1.1.1 15:04:20 +[IPcaller] 15:04:35 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG20/Institutional_Memory/SC_1.1.1 15:04:40 marcjohlic has joined #wai-wcag 15:04:44 ipcaller is me 15:04:56 +Marc_Johlic 15:05:09 i have no mic or sound yet 15:05:27 + +1.703.861.aacc 15:05:56 + +1.704.877.aadd 15:06:04 Zakim, who is on the phone? 15:06:04 On the phone I see Peter_Korn, Michael_Cooper, Joshue, AWK, Sailesh_Panchang, Loretta, [IPcaller], Marc_Johlic, +1.703.861.aacc, +1.704.877.aadd 15:06:17 zakim, aadd is Alan_Smith 15:06:17 +Alan_Smith; got it 15:06:28 Zakim, aacc is Katie 15:06:28 +Katie; got it 15:06:39 zakim, Ipcaller is Adam_Solomon 15:06:39 +Adam_Solomon; got it 15:07:14 zakim, take up item 1 15:07:14 agendum 1. "Final review of the ARIA techniques on this page" taken up [from is] 15:07:21 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG_Aug20_2013/ 15:07:48 kharitos has joined #wai-wcag 15:08:45 LGR: In the past rearrange the question - that is something that you have to do 15:08:54 AS: Thats an idea 15:09:09 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_provide_a_text_alternative_that_serves_the_equivalent_purpose 15:09:14 AK: we are on to #14 15:09:37 AK: David had a Action item for #13 15:10:07 LGR: Per 'Using aria-labelledby to provide a text alternative that serves the equivalent purpose' comments 15:10:34 LGR: I was responding to others 15:11:03 AK: I am not sure what the original titlte is because of the comments. I think it was aria labelled by before 15:11:16 AS: I dont think it was just that 15:11:36 AS: How do we see the Wiki to see if the title has chnaged 15:11:49 MC: There is no history that Iknow of 15:12:00 AS: Are these listed from the latest edits? 15:12:04 MC: Yes 15:12:18 AWK: There was a title change back in March 15:13:09 +q 15:13:20 ack me 15:13:26 AWK: I guess without regard to what happend I find the title confusing today. Let change it to spmething simpler 15:14:12 LGR: Lets find the Wiki page, and the URI for the aria techniques 15:14:35 AS: Anyone who has reservtions about the ARIA techniques 15:15:12 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA 15:15:19 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:15:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html is 15:16:04 +q 15:16:21 ack me 15:17:11 q+ 15:17:56 AS: Suggest 'Using aria-labelledby to retain controls'? 15:18:27 LGR: We either make one Labelled vy techniques that covers a;l the alyernatives or we do each individual ones 15:18:46 q+ to say "Using ARIA labelledby to provide a text alternative for images"? 15:18:59 LGR: The TaskForce didnt decide other way but started towards one technique for each 15:19:17 AS: This is something we should make a call on today 15:19:31 ack awk 15:19:31 AWK, you wanted to say "Using ARIA labelledby to provide a text alternative for images"? 15:19:50 +q 15:19:52 AWK: Salesch is not on IRC yet 15:20:26 AWK: We sometimes run the risk of making the techniques heavy and light. This look about right having htem broken out 15:21:27 Salesh: I know that thse are sepertae techniques - I think one that is aria-labelledby and they will be able to find all of the techniques that fall under that 15:21:44 zakim, queue? 15:21:44 I see adam_solomon on the speaker queue 15:21:47 ack adam 15:21:56 AS: These are canddiate to combime 15:22:10 PK: I actually want to speak against doing that 15:22:18 +1 15:22:31 KHS: I agree with Peter 15:22:51 Sailesh and Adam like combining, Peter, AWK, and Katie like them separate. others? 15:22:58 PK: You really want to have the probalem you want to solve in the title 15:23:07 zakim, who is noisy? 15:23:18 is, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sailesh_Panchang (4%), Loretta (23%), Katie (4%) 15:23:20 AS: Looking at it again that is really 1.1.1 15:23:28 LGR: and 4.1.2 15:23:54 AS: Perhaps we will have a technique to 4.1.2 15:23:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:23:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html is 15:24:23 IS: we have lost Adam 15:24:47 IS: having a generic aria-labelledby into one 15:25:03 AS: We should combine it with 1.1.1 15:25:10 IS: OK 15:25:46 IS: I think this is something we are not going to solve today. I agree with what Peter is saying - it is easier for developers 15:26:14 Alands has joined #wai-wcag 15:26:15 IS: There is also a good thing about a generic over-arching 15:26:27 q+ 15:27:18 Joshua: Do we have to make a decision now? 15:27:34 LGR: So you will need a new way to track techniques now 15:27:42 -Adam_Solomon 15:28:09 Joshua: I thonk I will happy to keep the title descriptive in order to track the techniques even if it seems too wordy 15:28:13 +[IPcaller] 15:28:16 +1 15:28:17 ack awk 15:28:24 ipcaller is me 15:28:50 AWK: I think that is fine with it having it be wordier. This particular one just needs a better name 15:29:20 AWK: I would lobby for Text Alternative for image or graphic object 15:29:46 ack korn 15:29:49 Joshua: We will keep the titles, and work on categorization in the future 15:30:35 PK: What about reversing tthe verbage - how to do this - using this elemnt? 15:31:14 PK: What about "Providing text alternatives for images by using aria-labelledby" 15:31:36 KHT: I don't agree with Peters suggestion. 15:31:56 s/KHT:/KHS: 15:32:12 KHS: I think its helpful to have aria x for blah, as that helps to group the techniques together. 15:32:55 Joshua: title of technique 15:33:25 Selesh: It is very important what Peter said the way the title is used - the labelledby and break it up 15:34:01 Salech: how can you fix, there are many ways to solve a problem not just using one element 15:34:07 -[IPcaller] 15:34:20 Joshua: We already have that 15:34:56 Joshua: there is a lrger issue of categorization - maybe we need to orgnize a template 15:35:15 Joshua: there is a tendency toward a more generic title 15:36:12 Josjua: Lets use "Using ARIA labelledby to provide a text alternative for any non-text content (images Etc)" 15:37:05 james has joined #wai-wcag 15:37:06 AWK: "Using ARIA labelledby to provide a text alternative for non-text content" 15:37:35 Joshua: Is that done now? 15:37:46 AWK: I will get that sorted out 15:38:00 + +1.650.506.aaee 15:38:14 zakim, aaee is James_Nurthen 15:38:14 +James_Nurthen; got it 15:38:15 Joshea: We are just suggesting that we get over the hump - and will move on to a wider talk about categorization 15:38:34 rrsagent, make minutes 15:38:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html james 15:39:04 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_provide_a_text_alternative_for_non-text_content 15:39:05 Joshua: Most of the feedback was related to the title - except for Michael 15:39:35 MC: It is just a general type of thing. The technique is assuming someone knows that. It needs to be made clear 15:39:55 Joshua: I agree, can you look st it tto add some explanatory text? 15:40:48 JOshua: David commented I agree with removing aria-labeled ID - are there any objections 15:40:54 LGR: No 15:41:16 adam_solomon has joined #wai-wcag 15:41:43 zakim, take up next item 15:41:43 agendum 2. "Mobile A11y and WCAG: Discussion" taken up [from is] 15:41:54 +[IPcaller] 15:42:06 zakim, ipcaller is adam_solomon 15:42:06 +adam_solomon; got it 15:42:13 MC: Proposal above 15:42:25 Joshue_108 has joined #wai-wcag 15:43:17 zakim, queue? 15:43:17 I see no one on the speaker queue 15:43:25 zakim, take up agendum 1 15:43:25 agendum 1. "Final review of the ARIA techniques on this page" taken up [from is] 15:43:41 -adam_solomon 15:43:57 MC: That is an advanced usage 15:44:04 +[IPcaller] 15:44:11 +q to second more advanced technique idea 15:44:27 MC: I think we need to say enoug but not everything possible to confuse them 15:45:00 ack me 15:45:00 Joshue_, you wanted to second more advanced technique idea 15:45:02 Joshua: Does everyone agree to have also an advacne technique with mutiple IDs 15:45:04 The aria-labelledby attribute associates an element with text that is visible elsewhere on the page by using an ID reference value that matches the ID attribute of the labeling element. 15:45:10 -[IPcaller] 15:45:27 AWK: What might help if we get rid of "a peice of" 15:45:35 Joshua: I like that 15:45:53 Joshua: no objection. Andrew go for it 15:46:20 Jpshua: Could someon edo a bit of digging 15:46:28 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_concatenate_a_label_from_several_text_nodes 15:46:30 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_concatenate_a_label_from_several_text_nodes 15:46:33 LGR: It has already been accepted by the WG 15:46:41 updated ids http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_provide_a_text_alternative_for_non-text_content#Example_1 15:46:57 Joshua: Any objection? 15:47:10 +[IPcaller] 15:47:15 Joshua: OK we are good. We have goy one 15:47:46 AWK: WE did not talk about my second point about adding alt 15:47:58 AWK: We have 5 no alt 15:47:58 +q 15:48:09 -[IPcaller] 15:48:18 AWK: We had other technniques where code wouldnt validate 15:48:20 Link in Question 15 leads to location of using mulitple text items 15:48:21 ack me 15:48:55 Joshua: Without alt my main concern would be that is saying that an image could be ignored 15:49:09 AS: To be honest I have no idea 15:49:25 q+ 15:49:26 AS: You would have to put some sor of value in there 15:49:43 AWK: You have to support user ganets that go further back 15:49:57 AS: There is no good reason to be using it here 15:50:12 LGR: The text is already on the page - you do not need it here 15:50:22 +[IPcaller] 15:50:29 Joshua: Will that trigger the AT to 15:51:21 Salesh: Basically - that text is already on the page - the issue is in what context - is the text on the page is the same as what the alt text should be 15:51:46 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_provide_a_text_alternative_for_non-text_content#Example_1 15:51:53 that should be example 2 15:51:59 AS: The second one is not quite the same 15:52:11 AWK: It would mean nothong like itself 15:52:15 zakim, queue? 15:52:15 I see Loretta on the speaker queue 15:52:18 LGR: I thin 15:52:20 ack Loret 15:52:27 k exmplpe 1 is wrong 15:52:43 LGR: I thonk example 1 is wrong 15:53:26 -[IPcaller] 15:53:30 LGR: Backwards compatability has to be included 15:53:43 +[IPcaller] 15:54:12 LGR: A technoque says how you can use a technology if you are using it 15:54:32 Joshua: If there is an alternative mechanism - is there not an exception 15:54:41 LGR: I do not thonk there is an exception 15:54:55 AWK: We did put a note in that there is this hierachy 15:55:29 Joshua: I though the outcome was that im certian situations alt would not be required if it was covered in anothet technology 15:55:46 q- 15:55:54 JN: I think that it true in WHat WG but not W3C HTML5 spec 15:56:10 Joshua: Do you think this is problemmatic 15:56:25 LGR: I think this is problementic and will cloud the issue 15:56:43 JOshua: I think it doesnt need alt tex in this case of example 1 15:57:24 Joshua: I would be prepared to stand by the technique if the UA doesnt support it - it is new way of providing rich data for something 15:57:54 Joshua: I am a little concerned about example 2 15:58:27 AS: It says it is an organizational chart - it needs to explain that it is smaller images 15:58:45 Joshua: OK , I think the example is thin 15:59:29 AS: Jaws doesnt support this one but NVDA does 16:00:15 -[IPcaller] 16:00:19 Selesh: a rich item what if there is an alt and an aria-labellby and they are different 16:00:48 I need to drop. Good discussions. 16:00:57 -Alan_Smith 16:00:57 Joshue: Are you ok with changing/updating the 5 star rating 16:01:22 Joshue: pkease look at the examples and see if they are right 16:01:38 LGR: Can you break that really long line 16:01:58 -Peter_Korn 16:02:39 http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#textalternativecomputation 16:03:00 Joshue: James when you have this example, as far as the design patternis tere a way to use a single pattern that could be repurposed 16:03:23 JN: You would make the thing more complicated than it needs to be 16:03:34 + +1.650.506.aaff 16:03:46 Joshue: Do you want to let people know that this is a read only srat pattern 16:04:13 JN: I added read only 16:06:18 Joshue: Thank you. Are we making a call to accept this technique? 16:06:47 Joshue: Any objections? 16:07:25 Resolution: Technique accepted http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_provide_a_text_alternative_for_non-text_content#Example_1 16:07:25 korn1 has joined #wai-wcag 16:07:36 Zakim, who is here? 16:07:36 On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, Joshue, AWK, Sailesh_Panchang, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, Katie, James_Nurthen, +1.650.506.aaff 16:07:37 zakim, take up next item 16:07:39 On IRC I see korn1, Joshue_108, james, kharitos, marcjohlic, Loretta, Joshue108, AWK, Zakim, RRSAgent, MichaelC, trackbot 16:07:39 agendum 2. "Mobile A11y and WCAG: Discussion" taken up [from is] 16:07:44 Zakim, aaff has Peter_Korn 16:07:44 +Peter_Korn; got it 16:07:52 s/Resolution: Technique accepted http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_provide_a_text_alternative_for_non-text_content#Example_1/Resolution: Technique accepted http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_provide_a_text_alternative_for_non-text_content 16:07:58 zakim, take up agendum 1 16:07:58 agendum 1. "Final review of the ARIA techniques on this page" taken up [from is] 16:09:26 Joshua: We were going to talk about WCAG 2 and Mobile - there are some issues around it 16:09:50 Joshua we need to adjust an gaps in our resoucres or add resources 16:10:11 Joshue: Micheal? 16:11:12 zakim, agenda? 16:11:12 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda: 16:11:13 2. Mobile A11y and WCAG: Discussion [from is] 16:11:13 3. Training for WCAG group members: Discussion [from is] 16:11:13 4. Beyond HTML 5 and ARIA techniques: Discussion on exploring [from is] 16:11:13 5. Feeding the institutional memory wiki, if you haven't already inputted on 1.3.1. Please do so. Also do input into SC 1.1.1 Text Alternatives. [from is] 16:11:26 MC: Summary it is coming to WAI that Mobile Accessibility is not well covered by WCAG. How you would apply WCAG 2 to mobile resources. I think we could do more 16:11:32 q+ 16:12:21 MC: There are many people in the world looking to us to create a task force to write techniques for Mobile Taskforce which expands our mandate 16:13:22 MC: It is possiblle there will be joined with another task force or working group - but most likely that will not be the case. I am working on a draft for this taskforce that should get sent out soon. 16:14:09 MC: We have to be careful. We want this group to know this is happeneing - and to think about if this is a good thing for WCAG 2 to take on with all of the existing work going on 16:14:13 ack korn 16:14:55 PK: I am curious about the scope of this work. What do they think is diferent about web apps running on a mobile device 16:15:14 PK: What do the proponents feel is in scope? 16:16:06 Joshua: the scope is big issue, by doing background research. It is actually quite complicated. Where does app, native, toolkits etc begin and end - 16:16:28 Joshua: To determine the stack and scope that we are covering 16:17:15 q+ 16:17:15 q+ 16:17:24 PK: The first scope is Req gathereing - in WCAG 2ICT - the W3C does not seem to have a good way to put a summary on native apps 16:18:10 Joshua: Hopefully we will come up with something. Mobile is something that is needed and a hot topic 16:18:24 ack cooper 16:18:26 ack 16:18:58 MC: W3C is on the radar at various levels at what the boundry of web and native - the scope of W3C is going to need clarification 16:19:23 MC: That is likely to take longer - that decision - before we want to get strated at this taskforce 16:19:59 MC: We may look at Best Practices - we will find ourselves running into that scope question - but not overstep our bounds 16:19:59 ack me 16:20:32 PK: Does anyone have a sense of what is differednt for a web app on a mobile device. Do we have an example of that? 16:21:25 MC: I have beenhearing that some techbiques are stronger for mobile devices 16:21:28 ack Lorett 16:21:51 LGR: My guess is that this is going to turnn into alot of work 16:21:52 s/techbiques/techniques 16:22:06 s/turnn/turn 16:22:13 LGR: We are going to need to do a lot of testing 16:22:35 s/gathereing/gathering 16:22:45 MC: I think that is important. We will need recuiting to find resources well versed inn Mobile 16:23:21 Joshue: Loretta you are right this is going to be tough to be able to ind folks with expertise and bandwidth - they are going to be looking to us 16:23:47 Salesh: I understand constraints - there is not better group that us to respond to this challenge 16:24:12 Salesh: and to idenify the gaps and techniques that rae relevant 16:24:19 s/sor/sort 16:24:23 s/rae/are 16:24:51 MC: Sound like Salesh might be a new Task Force chair 16:25:33 Joshue: I understand this is a complicated issue. I doo think we have a lot of good resources, I think we just neeed to free them up and recruit new people 16:25:40 s/MC: Sound like/AWK: Sounds like 16:25:55 zakim, take up next item 16:25:55 agendum 2. "Mobile A11y and WCAG: Discussion" taken up [from is] 16:25:59 zakim, take up next item 16:25:59 agendum 2 was just opened, kharitos 16:26:07 zakim, take up next item 16:26:07 agendum 2 was just opened, kharitos 16:26:18 zakim, close this item 16:26:18 agendum 2 closed 16:26:19 zakim, take up agendum 3 16:26:20 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:26:20 3. Training for WCAG group members: Discussion [from is] 16:26:20 agendum 3. "Training for WCAG group members: Discussion" taken up [from is] 16:26:20 zakim, next item 16:26:21 agendum 3 was just opened, MichaelC 16:27:11 Joshue: Training for working group members - extending skills. We have skill gpas 16:27:31 Joshue: We are trying to work out ways of addressing that. 16:28:16 Joshue: I am happy to help people - but we do not always have a bunch of time - people could be getting up to speed by looking at other resources online 16:28:32 Joshue: We are thing about this. What do you think? 16:29:20 Joshue: Do you think that there is no need for training or are there things that you think you can benefit from? 16:29:56 q+ 16:30:00 AWK: We are gaining alot of aria techniques - and we may not have folks who are strong in aria. 16:30:23 Joshue: This was initally about aria 16:30:37 q+ 16:30:48 ack korn 16:31:13 q+ 16:31:27 q- 16:31:33 PK: Are you envisoning on the call or something that could be repurposed. ARIA training for the general public. 16:31:58 Joshue: Our goal is to get THIS GROUP gain better skills for our group 16:32:21 ack khar 16:32:25 Joshua: Sepwrtae calls fpr special training 16:32:38 ack Lor* 16:33:08 LGR: Learning is one of the great benefits of this. I am nervous that everyone can know everything 16:33:21 q+ 16:33:31 ack l 16:33:32 LGR: The solutions is not to train all it is better to recruit folks who do know this 16:33:58 Joshue: there are a lot of variations - people can opt in or not 16:34:33 Joshue: It is best tto have the experts - but that is hard sometimes - my idea is to train the trainers 16:35:04 LGR: Turning the Working Group into the Trainers of the world is a complicated things 16:35:42 Joshue: I suppose we would all be a little bit coy if we did not admot that people look to us for answers to these things 16:36:18 ack awk 16:36:31 LGR: That is what the techniques are designed to do - but not for us to be the all the Best Practices for all thongs in the wotld 16:37:07 s/Sepwrtae calls fpr/Separate calls for 16:37:21 AWK: The WG has multple ways to gain ARIA expertise. This is to add this expertise to our group 16:37:48 AWK: It is one stategy 16:38:09 LGR: This has been done in the past 16:39:09 JN: Who has the time to create training resources? 16:39:31 AWK: Initially we are going to figure out to what extent is there a need 16:39:40 - +1.650.506.aaff 16:40:00 AWK: Maybe a brownbag - not a presenter who presents - but someone just sharing that gets folks to adk questions 16:40:21 AWK: We are trying to identify the need level 16:41:13 -Loretta 16:41:15 -Michael_Cooper 16:41:15 -James_Nurthen 16:41:16 -AWK 16:41:16 -Sailesh_Panchang 16:41:18 rrsagent, make minutes 16:41:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue_108 16:41:22 -Marc_Johlic 16:41:24 -Katie 16:41:36 rrsagent, make log world 16:41:57 -Joshue 16:41:58 WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended 16:41:58 Attendees were +1.510.334.aaaa, Michael_Cooper, AWK, Joshue, Peter_Korn, +1.703.225.aabb, Sailesh_Panchang, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, +1.703.861.aacc, +1.704.877.aadd, Alan_Smith, 16:41:58 ... Katie, Adam_Solomon, +1.650.506.aaee, James_Nurthen, [IPcaller] 16:44:55 SaileshP has joined #wai-wcag 17:03:16 korn1 has left #wai-wcag 18:36:30 rrsagent, make minutes 18:36:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC 18:36:44 rrsagent, bye 18:36:44 I see no action items