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12:57:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
12:57:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
12:57:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference
12:57:39 <trackbot> Date: 28 August 2013
12:57:50 <kaz> zakim, this will be webtv
12:57:50 <Zakim> ok, kaz; I see UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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13:00:36 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has now started
13:00:37 <Zakim> +Bin_Hu
13:01:03 <Zakim> +??P1
13:01:03 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
13:01:05 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
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13:01:05 <Zakim> -??P1
13:01:05 <Zakim> +??P1
13:01:07 <ddavis> Zakim, ??P1 is ddavis
13:01:07 <Zakim> +ddavis; got it
13:01:09 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:01:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bin_Hu, ddavis
13:01:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sheau_Ng, Bin_Hu, ddavis, RRSAgent, kaz, Zakim, timeless, trackbot
13:01:15 <Clarke> Clarke has joined #webtv
13:01:17 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
13:01:17 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
13:01:34 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
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13:01:53 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:01:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bin_Hu, ddavis, Kazuyuki
13:01:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see Paul_Higgs, Clarke, Sheau_Ng, Bin_Hu, ddavis, RRSAgent, kaz, Zakim, timeless, trackbot
13:01:56 <Zakim> +Clarke
13:02:02 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:02:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bin_Hu, ddavis, Kazuyuki, Clarke
13:02:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see Paul_Higgs, Clarke, Sheau_Ng, Bin_Hu, ddavis, RRSAgent, kaz, Zakim, timeless, trackbot
13:02:22 <Zakim> + +1.508.276.aaaa
13:02:35 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is  Sheau
13:02:36 <Zakim> +Sheau; got it
13:02:48 <Zakim> +PaulHiggs
13:03:28 <Sheau_Ng> zakim, who is here?
13:03:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bin_Hu, ddavis, Kazuyuki, Clarke, Sheau, PaulHiggs
13:03:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see Paul_Higgs, Clarke, Sheau_Ng, Bin_Hu, ddavis, RRSAgent, kaz, Zakim, timeless, trackbot
13:04:29 <Bin_Hu> chair: Clarke
13:04:40 <Bin_Hu> scribe: Bin_Hu
13:05:02 <Bin_Hu> chair: let's get started
13:05:09 <kaz> Present: Bin, Danie Kaz, Clarke, Sheau, Paul
13:05:34 <Bin_Hu> chair: let's review the changes and comments on the table and couments if any
13:05:48 <Bin_Hu> ... let's review and schedule
13:05:56 <Bin_Hu> ... let look at the table first
13:06:02 <Clarke> table http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Testing/survey-results
13:06:38 <kaz> s|table|->|
13:06:39 <Bin_Hu> chair: what Giuseppe did was to consolidate the table
13:07:01 <kaz> s|results|results survey results table|
13:07:08 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:07:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:07:31 <Bin_Hu> chair: on top of the table, Giuseppe added the data
13:08:36 <Bin_Hu> paul: the external votes are 17 out of 20, and internal votes are 44 out of 44.
13:08:45 <kaz> i/let's get started/scribenick: Bin_Hu/
13:08:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:08:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:09:11 <Bin_Hu> chair: that's right. One of the agenda is to get introduction of the table
13:09:27 <Bin_Hu> chair: do we think it sufficient, or do we need some explanatory text?
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13:09:54 <kaz> s/chair:/Clarke:/g
13:09:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:09:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:10:05 <Bin_Hu> paul: it is the short start of the real table of data. probably it is enough
13:10:22 <kaz> Chair: Clarke
13:10:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:10:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:11:26 <Bin_Hu> Paul: I know we agree to do this, I am fine with the result. I don't know how we assign the value to the result
13:11:37 <Bin_Hu> ... if you scroll down a little bit of the table
13:12:11 <Bin_Hu> ... for example CSS Flexible, the score is 9. There are different way to give 9, or give 4 or 3
13:13:10 <Bin_Hu> ... the 3rd column, you got 17 from different ways, for example 4 can say 4 and 1 can say 1, or 2 can say 4 and 3 can say 3
13:13:52 <Bin_Hu> Chair: I agree if you get the sample site, it won't you give you a lot of information, it gives you some information. For example, if you get 500 response
13:14:39 <Bin_Hu> Kaz: we have done the merge of external response and internal response. Can we do some analysis?
13:15:15 <kaz> ... e.g., from 2-dimensional viewpoint
13:15:27 <Bin_Hu> Chair: I am wondering if we can proactively to do this,
13:16:10 <Bin_Hu> ... or if HTML test task force comes back, and tells us something
13:16:25 <Bin_Hu> ... I am open
13:16:29 <kaz> s/viewpoint/viewpoint. internal vote value can correspond to X-axis, and external vote value can correspond to Y-axis/
13:16:45 <Bin_Hu> paul: graph is interesting, and we can learn from quardrant
13:16:57 <Bin_Hu> ... what the priorities are
13:17:08 <kaz> s/. Can we/, but can we/
13:17:29 <Bin_Hu> Chair: if you want to do a graph, we can all look at it and add some important information
13:17:39 <Bin_Hu> Kaz: I can do this
13:17:54 <Bin_Hu> Action: Kaz to add a graph for discussion
13:17:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-137 - Add a graph for discussion [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2013-09-04].
13:19:44 <Bin_Hu> Chair: the table stays the same. the graph would be essentially the whole table
13:20:36 <Bin_Hu> Sheau: my understanding is to get one column is x, one column is y, and each row is a graph
13:20:51 <Bin_Hu> Chair: I am not sure which is easy way to see
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13:21:31 <Bin_Hu> Kaz: I will do the easiest to see. There are options to draw graph. Maybe I can expore those options
13:21:50 <kaz> ... simple graph or scatter one
13:22:02 <kaz> ... may be 2-d or might be 3-d
13:22:06 <Bin_Hu> Sheau: I support the idea of graph, I am not sure which way to visualize it
13:22:51 <Bin_Hu> paul: bubble graph, x internal votes 0 to 44, y external votes 0 to 20
13:23:48 <Bin_Hu> ... we also need to learn it once we have done it
13:24:45 <Bin_Hu> Chair: we can do that, and take a look at it next time
13:24:58 <Bin_Hu> ... any other comments on the table?
13:25:08 <Bin_Hu> ... if not, let move on to the next topic
13:25:11 <Clarke> document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zY5_C0ZK4_Z2_WMSf2MSu5pBI8tNAgmL2o-Ua_rv1Jg/edit
13:26:14 <Bin_Hu> Chair: is there any track changes in google doc? I couldn't see what changes Giuseppe made
13:26:25 <Bin_Hu> ... he highlighted it
13:26:53 <Bin_Hu> Chair: looks like he re-organize it
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13:27:24 <Bin_Hu> Paul: there is a revision history
13:27:46 <kaz> s|document https|-> https|
13:27:53 <Bin_Hu> Clarke: let's toggle between them
13:28:06 <kaz> s|/edit|/edit Requirements document|
13:28:27 <kaz> s/Chair:|Clarke:|g
13:29:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:29:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:29:47 <Bin_Hu> Clarke: I didn't notice anything that is obviously a change. Maybe we need Giuseppe to explain what changes he made next time
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13:30:13 <Bin_Hu> Clarke: maybe I will ask him to point out what are the changes
13:30:15 <kaz> i/let's get started/topic: Vote result table/
13:30:34 <Bin_Hu> Action: Clarke to ask Giuseppe to point out the changes of the requirement document
13:30:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-138 - Ask giuseppe to point out the changes of the requirement document [on Clarke Stevens - due 2013-09-04].
13:31:01 <Bin_Hu> Clarke: are there changes someone else made?
13:31:08 <kaz> i/Requirements document/topic: Requirements document/
13:31:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:31:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:31:38 <Bin_Hu> Sheau: I assume the formatting will be cleaned up later, right?
13:32:07 <Bin_Hu> Clarke: right. Also we talked about the document organizational changes last time. Such as details are inconsistent
13:32:19 <Bin_Hu> ... Giuseppe wanted to normalize it a little bit
13:32:32 <kaz> s/Chair:/Clarke:/g
13:32:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:32:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:32:41 <Bin_Hu> ... referencing general standard
13:33:13 <Bin_Hu> ... we want to capture what need to be tested
13:33:29 <Bin_Hu> Clarke: let's move on to schedule
13:33:57 <Bin_Hu> ... last week we had a proposal to get the table there. We are almost there.
13:34:16 <Bin_Hu> ... Is there an official format?
13:35:01 <Bin_Hu> Kaz: we can have an Editor Draft version. Later on, we can use HTML format to be more conformant to W3C style
13:35:30 <Bin_Hu> ... I can create a static HTML file based on that
13:35:45 <Bin_Hu> ... then we can ask webmaster to publish it
13:36:10 <Bin_Hu> Clarke: are you going to do it?
13:36:37 <Bin_Hu> ... If nobody else, I will work with Kaz, Giuseppe, Daniel on that
13:37:04 <Bin_Hu> Action: Clarke to work with Giuseppe, Kaz and Daniel to convert the table to HTML format
13:37:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-139 - Work with giuseppe, kaz and daniel to convert the table to html format [on Clarke Stevens - due 2013-09-04].
13:37:59 <Bin_Hu> Clarke: any other business?
13:38:19 <Bin_Hu> ... if not, thank you and we will have tasks for the next a couple weeks\
13:38:21 <Zakim> -PaulHiggs
13:38:22 <Zakim> -Sheau
13:38:24 <Zakim> -Clarke
13:38:27 <Bin_Hu> ... let's adjourn
13:38:30 <Zakim> -ddavis
13:38:31 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
13:38:32 <Clarke> Thanks, bin
13:38:32 <kaz> [ adjourn ]
13:38:33 <Zakim> -Bin_Hu
13:38:33 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has ended
13:38:33 <Zakim> Attendees were Bin_Hu, ddavis, Kazuyuki, Clarke, +1.508.276.aaaa, Sheau, PaulHiggs
13:38:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:38:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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