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14:16:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
14:16:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 44 minutes
14:16:46 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:16:46 <trackbot> Date: 28 August 2013
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14:37:39 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.08.28
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14:56:54 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started
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14:58:12 <Guus> zakim, this will be rdf
14:58:12 <Zakim> ok, Guus, I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM already started
15:00:04 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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15:00:36 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
15:00:36 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:00:37 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:00:45 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:00:45 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
15:00:46 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
15:00:46 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
15:00:51 <ivan> zakim, mute me
15:00:51 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
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15:01:14 <Zakim> +Sandro
15:01:59 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
15:01:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, GavinC, Arnaud, TallTed (muted), Ivan (muted), Sandro
15:02:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see gkellogg, Arnaud, Guus, AndyS, ScottB, gavinc, Zakim, RRSAgent, TallTed, ivan, davidwood, manu, trackbot, yvesr, sandro, ericP
15:02:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:34 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:02:34 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
15:03:09 <Arnaud> someone is breathing heavily into their headset
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15:03:37 <gavinc> scribenick: gavinc
15:03:38 <Arnaud> zakim, mute me
15:03:38 <Zakim> Arnaud should now be muted
15:04:04 <gavinc> Topic: Admin
15:04:16 <Zakim> +gkellogg
15:04:23 <gavinc> PROPOSED Accept minutes from 2013-08-21
15:04:33 <pfps> +1
15:04:40 <gavinc> Accepted Minutes
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15:04:44 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
15:04:48 <gavinc> subtopic: action items
15:04:52 <pfps> zakim, gvoice is me
15:04:52 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
15:05:00 <gavinc> ACTION-283?
15:05:00 <trackbot> ACTION-283 -- David Wood to Apply the resolution to issue-140 in concepts -- due 2013-08-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:05:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/283
15:05:04 <Zakim> +Tony
15:05:16 <gavinc> Zakim, who is making noise?
15:05:19 <sandro> zakim, mute tony
15:05:19 <Zakim> Tony should now be muted
15:05:28 <Zakim> gavinc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (13%)
15:05:56 <sandro> Does anyone claim to be Tony?   Anyone know who that is?
15:06:12 <ScottB> Zakim, Tony is temporarily me
15:06:12 <Zakim> +ScottB; got it
15:06:26 <ScottB> No problem
15:06:36 <gavinc> Guus: Respec bug?
15:06:38 <Zakim> +AZ
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15:06:48 <gavinc> gavinc: Yeah, with scroll position after load
15:06:55 <gavinc> gavinc: We'd fixed it locally, but not in the version in github
15:07:56 <Zakim> + +1.707.874.aaaa
15:08:06 <cgreer> zakim, aaaa is me
15:08:08 <Zakim> +cgreer; got it
15:08:08 <gavinc> Guus: Next meeting is next week
15:08:10 <Zakim> +EricP
15:08:24 <gavinc> Topic: ITS 2.0 Review
15:08:28 <Zakim> -EricP
15:08:29 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
15:08:29 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
15:08:51 <Zakim> +EricP
15:09:15 <gavinc> ivan: Main issue that I had with the text was that they use URIs with fragment IDs, and if we want to be pedantic that fragment IDs are incorrect
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15:09:28 <gavinc> ... they use fragment IDs that aren't designed for XML or HTML
15:09:48 <gavinc> ... I've told them that I have this problem
15:10:26 <gavinc> ... do we as a working group want to deal with this at all? For us the URI is an opaque string... but we have a section of concepts that talks about fragment IDs
15:10:49 <gavinc> ... the section in ITS is non nominative
15:10:52 <Zakim> +zwu2
15:10:57 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/898EEEF1-9B7F-476B-821A-21E3A24B785F@w3.org my las
15:12:26 <gavinc> .. they can go and register these kinds of fragment types... chars for example might make sense for HTML and XML
15:12:42 <gavinc> ... for XPath it's already defined for XML, but doesn't apply to HTML
15:12:56 <gavinc> ... and HTML is unlikely to support XPath fragment ids
15:13:14 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/community/cssselfrags/ might help them!
15:13:27 <Guus> q?
15:14:27 <gavinc> PROPOSE Ivan to send official response from WG
15:15:18 <Guus> RESP:VED: http://www.w3.org/mid/898EEEF1-9B7F-476B-821A-21E3A24B785F@w3.org to be WG response to ITS 2.0 review request
15:15:58 <Guus> RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/mid/898EEEF1-9B7F-476B-821A-21E3A24B785F@w3.org to be WG response to ITS 2.0 review request
15:16:08 <sandro> action: ivan to send response re ITS (just testing tracker)
15:16:09 <trackbot> 'ivan' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., ivan, imikhail).
15:16:31 <ivan> zakim, mute me
15:16:31 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
15:16:51 <gavinc> Topic: N-Triples
15:17:08 <gavinc> Guus: I remember that there was a LC draft of N-Triples
15:17:55 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/677250c8f303/drafts/n-triples/Overview.html
15:19:20 <gavinc> also https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/n-quads/Overview.html
15:21:03 <AndyS> There is a LANG in [6] but it's LANGTAG at [144s]
15:21:41 <AndyS> q+
15:21:58 <gavinc> ACTION Gavin to add Changes from Last Publication, and Acknowledgement sections
15:21:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-284 - Add changes from last publication, and acknowledgement sections [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-04].
15:22:08 <AndyS> Minor editorial - uses "whitespace" and "white space".
15:22:18 <gavinc> Yeah, I noticed that last night
15:22:22 <gavinc> So does Turtle
15:23:22 <ericP> scribenick: ericP
15:23:31 <ericP> gavinc: so we want:
15:23:36 <ericP> ... .. list of changes
15:23:45 <ericP> ... .. grammar chagnes
15:24:01 <ericP> ... .. just noticed a broken link
15:24:15 <ericP> ... .. acknowledgements section
15:24:17 <ericP> ... .
15:24:33 <ericP> topic: Trig Doc
15:24:38 <gkellogg> Also change LANG to LANGTAG, or visa-versa
15:24:57 <ericP> Guus: last week we agreed that AndyS would co-edit the Trig doc
15:25:04 <ericP> ... this is critical for our timeline
15:25:14 <ericP> ... when will be ready for LC?
15:25:25 <ericP> ... recall that we voted on two features at risk
15:25:40 <ericP> ... two weeks ago, gavinc said there's nothing technically blocking this doc
15:25:52 <ericP> ... so just awaiting editor attention
15:25:57 <ericP> gavinc: confirm
15:26:10 <ericP> AndyS: confirm. what were the features at risk?
15:26:21 <AndyS> feature-at-risk 1 -- bare default graph
15:26:25 <ericP> gavinc: [those] features at risk were:
15:26:31 <AndyS> feature-at-risk 2 -- GRAPH keyword
15:26:43 <ericP> ... .. triples outside of {}s
15:26:52 <ericP> ... .. GRPAH keyword
15:27:37 <ericP> ACTION: AndyS to prepare a LC edition of Trig by 11 Aug
15:27:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-285 - Prepare a lc edition of trig by 11 aug [on Andy Seaborne - due 2013-09-04].
15:27:43 <ericP> ACTION: gavinc to prepare a LC edition of Trig by 11 Aug
15:27:43 <trackbot> Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.
15:27:52 <ericP> gavinc: looking for examples of Trig docs
15:28:39 <ericP> Guus: ask on the list. yves can probably provide some prov examples from the primer
15:29:05 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/n-quads/Overview.html
15:29:24 <ericP> gavinc: NQuads is in the same state as Trig.
15:29:39 <ericP> ... needs the same sections as Trig
15:29:43 <TallTed> ACTION: gavin to prepare a LC edition of Trig by 11 Aug
15:29:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-286 - Prepare a lc edition of trig by 11 aug [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-04].
15:29:45 <AndyS> topic: n-quads
15:30:22 <ericP> Guus: let's aim for 11 Sept
15:30:33 <ericP> topic: test suites
15:30:56 <ericP> Guus: three weeks ago we recorded some actions
15:31:17 <AndyS> from last week's minutes -- "David Wood: try for LC of N-Quads next week"
15:31:19 <Arnaud> zakim, unmute me
15:31:19 <Zakim> Arnaud should no longer be muted
15:31:22 <ericP> topic: RDF JSON Note
15:31:28 <gavinc> topic: RDF/JSON WG Note
15:31:55 <ericP> Arnaud: from my point of view, i've addressed comments address to the list and editorial issues
15:32:03 <ericP> ... i think the doc is ready to go to pub
15:32:21 <ericP> ... there's a question about whether we meet level of quality of a REC
15:33:01 <ericP> ... there were some unaddressed pertinent issues, e.g. that it's specified as an algorithm rather than a grammer.
15:33:15 <ericP> ... doesn't use RFC2112 MUST/MAY/MIGHT
15:33:29 <ericP> ... so not as good as a REC but probably good enough
15:33:48 <ericP> Guus: worth having a seperate section on how this relates to the JSON LD spec?
15:34:20 <ericP> Arnaud: i included text in the abstract to say that this is not the REC'd way, that unless there's a good reason, one should use JSON LD
15:35:34 <ericP> Guus: propose to copy that sentence from the abstract into the intro
15:36:03 <ericP> Arnaud: conformance is orthogonal to REC-track status
15:37:12 <Arnaud> zakim, mute me
15:37:12 <Zakim> Arnaud should now be muted
15:37:13 <ericP> ACTION: Arnaud to prepare a pubrules-ready copy and notify list about where it is
15:37:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-287 - Prepare a pubrules-ready copy and notify list about where it is [on Arnaud Le Hors - due 2013-09-04].
15:37:39 <Arnaud> rdf/json
15:37:51 <ericP> ACTION: Guus to publish RDF/JSON spec provided by Arnaud
15:37:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-288 - Publish rdf/json spec provided by arnaud [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-09-04].
15:38:14 <Guus> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-08-07#tests_for_Concept_and_for_Semantics
15:38:14 <ericP> topic: tests
15:39:25 <ericP> topic: Turtle tests
15:39:41 <gkellogg> http://librdf.org/2013/08-turtle/raptor-2-0-10-turtle-2013-earl.ttl
15:40:49 <ericP> ericP: i think we're done. i notified some lists and we got enough implementations to go to PR
15:41:43 <ericP> Guus: i just need a link to the final impl report.
15:41:49 <gavinc> We also need a draft of the document with the finalized features at risk, yes?
15:41:56 <ericP> gkellogg: i should have this by EOD today
15:43:47 <ericP> ericP: i recall some editing requires for Turtle to go to PR
15:46:11 <ericP> ericP: gavinc, do you have a list of editorial changes?
15:46:19 <ericP> gavinc: yes, i can put that together
15:47:09 <ericP> ... greg willians is not satisfied with the resolution re: optionality of '.'s
15:47:11 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments
15:47:58 <ericP> Guus: i need a final doc for disp of comments
15:49:39 <ericP> ... not critical. prioritize Trig above Turtle
15:49:46 <Zakim> -gkellogg
15:50:05 <ericP> [ we are not expecting further changes to Turtle ]
15:50:45 <ericP> Guus: yes, we've resolved this. without new evidence, we'll not discuss it
15:51:38 <Zakim> -pfps
15:52:15 <ericP> ... we should be clear if people object, but we won't let that stop process
15:53:07 <Zakim> -cgreer
15:54:03 <Zakim> +cgreer
15:56:03 <Zakim> -ScottB
15:56:11 <Zakim> -cgreer
15:56:13 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:56:20 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
15:56:22 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:56:24 <Zakim> -TallTed
15:56:31 <Zakim> -Arnaud
15:56:32 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
15:56:32 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:56:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, GavinC, Arnaud, Ivan, TallTed, Sandro, AndyS, gkellogg, pfps, ScottB, AZ, +1.707.874.aaaa, cgreer, EricP, zwu2
15:56:33 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
15:56:34 <Zakim> -zwu2
15:56:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:56:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
15:56:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:56:41 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
15:56:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ivan to send response re ITS (just testing tracker) [1]
15:56:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-rdf-wg-irc#T15-16-08
15:56:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS to prepare a LC edition of Trig by 11 Aug [2]
15:56:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-rdf-wg-irc#T15-27-37
15:56:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavinc to prepare a LC edition of Trig by 11 Aug [3]
15:56:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-rdf-wg-irc#T15-27-43
15:56:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavin to prepare a LC edition of Trig by 11 Aug [4]
15:56:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-rdf-wg-irc#T15-29-43
15:56:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Arnaud to prepare a pubrules-ready copy and notify list about where it is [5]
15:56:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-rdf-wg-irc#T15-37-13
15:56:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to publish RDF/JSON spec provided by Arnaud [6]
15:56:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/28-rdf-wg-irc#T15-37-51
15:56:43 <Zakim> -GavinC
15:57:01 <Zakim> -AZ