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13:55:41 <Norm> zakim, this will be xproc
13:55:41 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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13:55:51 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
13:55:51 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/08/21-agenda
13:55:51 <Norm> Date: 21 August 2013
13:55:51 <Norm> Meeting: 235
13:55:51 <Norm> Chair: Norm
13:55:51 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
13:55:52 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
13:57:57 <Norm> zakim, passcode?
13:57:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Norm
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13:58:28 <Norm> Norm has changed the topic to: XProc Agenda http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/08/21-agenda
14:00:40 <jf_2013> coming
14:00:52 <Zakim> +Jeroen
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14:02:03 <Zakim> +Alex_Milows
14:02:03 <Norm> zakim, aaaa is jf_2013
14:02:04 <Zakim> +jf_2013; got it
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14:04:00 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
14:04:00 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/08/21-agenda
14:04:07 <Norm> Present: Norm, Vojtech, Jim, Alex
14:04:16 <Norm> Accepted, as ammended
14:04:21 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
14:04:21 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/07/24-minutes
14:04:29 <Norm> Accepted.
14:04:36 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: 28 August 2013 or at the face-to-face
14:05:07 <Norm> Next meeting: 28 August 2013
14:05:16 <Norm> Topic: Review of open action items
14:05:27 <Norm> A-217-03 completed
14:05:42 <Norm> A-231-02 completed
14:06:02 <Norm> A-228-01 overtaken by events
14:06:35 <Norm> Topic: Face to face prep, updated requirements and use cases document
14:06:43 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/requirements-v2-jim.html
14:08:36 <Norm> Norm walks through section 4
14:09:03 <Norm> Jim: I added the ????-mark items in section 4.10 from other lists I had
14:11:17 <Norm> Some discussion of p:empty and whether or not it's needed.
14:11:29 <jf_2013> Alex orig email on empty http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2013Aug/0000.html
14:11:31 <Norm> It's used in parameter input ports, but those are going away
14:11:42 <Norm> Alex: I also use it in p:document
14:11:53 <Norm> ...Now that I've been reminded why we need it, I guess it's ok.
14:16:36 <Norm> Norm: All of the 4.x items are marked must/should except for 4.9; let's mark 4.9 must
14:17:32 <Norm> Norm: Let's move "allow multiple p:catch" up to its own top-level item, marked "should"
14:18:17 <Norm> Norm; So. Is that everything. More to the point, if that's all we did, would it be a success?
14:19:50 <Norm> Alex: Let's pull AVTs out as its own "must" thing. All the other syntactic simplifications are "shoulds"
14:19:52 <Norm> Norm: Yes, I agree.
14:21:50 <Norm> Norm: Off topic, but for the minutes, wrt loading extension functions, the spec currently says "thou shalt not", I think we may want to soften that.
14:24:40 <Norm> Some discussion of importing function libraries
14:24:51 <Norm> Jim: I think the goal is to allow for reuse of existing libraries.
14:26:31 <Norm> Norm: Well, I think it's also about allowing pipeline authors to write their own functions in p:when test expressions.
14:26:58 <Norm> ACTION: A-235-01 Alex to provide a use case for the extension library item
14:27:26 <Norm> Vojtech: Someone once asked about using XProc steps as XPath functions.
14:27:37 <Norm> ...Maybe we could allow functions to be created from XProc pipelines.
14:28:45 <Norm> Alex: Certainly, in my particular use case, I can do what I want with steps. But it's heavyweight.
14:28:56 <Norm> Norm: I think mapping steps to functions is an interesting idea.
14:29:57 <Norm> Alex: I wonder if we can find the message where that was requested.
14:32:21 <Norm> Alex: With respect to the extension library, if loading them was implementation defined, it would be nice if there was some way to make the dependency explicit, in metadata, perhaps.
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14:34:13 <jfuller_2013> Norm's cx:import reference http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2013Aug/0031.html
14:35:36 <Norm> Norm: Back to face-to-face planning
14:35:49 <Norm> ...It sounds like we're happy with these requirements
14:36:28 <Norm> ...Coming out of the f2f, I want a publishable requirements documents
14:37:50 <Norm> Alex: I'd like to be done before TPAC
14:40:47 <jfuller_2013> another link for ext funcs http://norman.walsh.name/2013/08/20/extensionFunctions
14:47:15 <Norm> Some discussion of XML processor profiles
14:48:25 <Norm> Jim: Would it help if we matched each profile with a concrete example?
14:48:36 <Norm> Alex: Maybe, but let's review the comments more carefully before we add work to our plate
14:49:18 <Norm> Vojtech: Right, but if we add more perspective, then we run the risk of introducing new areas of contention
14:54:05 <Norm> Alex: It would be nice to arrive at the f2f with a concrete list of issues to address.
14:55:38 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
14:55:45 <Norm> None heard.
14:55:47 <Norm> Adjourned.
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14:55:55 <Zakim> -Jeroen
14:55:56 <Zakim> -jf_2013
14:55:56 <Zakim> -Alex_Milows
14:55:57 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:55:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/21-xproc-minutes.html Norm
14:56:01 <Zakim> -Norm
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14:56:03 <Zakim> Attendees were Norm, Jeroen, +420.6.026.9.aaaa, Alex_Milows, jf_2013
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