IRC log of er on 2013-08-21

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Zakim, this will be 3794
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 21 August 2013
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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+??P13
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+[IPcaller]
12:31:24 [shadi]
zakim, ipcaller is me
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+shadi; got it
12:31:40 [shadi]
zakim, ? is samuel
12:31:40 [Zakim]
+samuel; got it
12:32:02 [cstrobbe]
trying to call in, but no luck.
12:32:54 [shadi]
:(
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try to mute your line while typing in the code
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+ +49.711.892.3.aaaa
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zakim, +49 is me
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+cstrobbe; got it
12:34:03 [cstrobbe]
can you hear me at all?
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/WD-AERT/ED-AERT
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+??P15
12:37:05 [shadi]
zakim, ? is carlos
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+carlos; got it
12:38:34 [cstrobbe]
Question about section 1.1: are evaluation tools in office suites out of scope?
12:39:26 [shadi]
SAZ: looking much better to me
12:39:33 [shadi]
...shorter titles and descriptions
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...more to the point
12:40:18 [shadi]
SM: 2.2, 2.3, and 2.4 could be combined under a common header
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...all these emulate the browser
12:41:06 [samuel]
they try to emulate how browser retrieves resources
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CV: any evaluation tool emulates the browser
12:41:20 [shadi]
...had them together but decided to be more atomic
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SM: emulates retrieval of the content
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...similar functionality
12:42:01 [shadi]
q+ Christophe
12:44:54 [shadi]
SAZ: maybe work with hierarchies
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CV: difficult to find a common and accurate heading
12:45:59 [shadi]
...crawling also related to these, for example
12:46:09 [shadi]
SAZ: how about parking this aside for now?
12:46:22 [shadi]
...working with hierarchies might be good but later
12:47:14 [shadi]
...might be good to focus on completeness for now
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SM: agree
12:48:36 [shadi]
SM: missing features where users can add their own tests/checks
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...and configuring the way the checks are done
12:51:14 [shadi]
...also other formats for reporting in addition to EARL
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other reporting values
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SM: for example extensions to the core EARL values in Hera tool
12:52:37 [shadi]
SAZ: how is that a feature?
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SM: not a new feature, but part of the reporting feature
12:53:35 [shadi]
SM: intergration with IDEs
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...but also tools that integrate with browsers
12:53:58 [samuel]
integration with IDEs and CMS already appears, I'm missing integration with browsers
12:54:31 [shadi]
"or extensions in web browsers"
12:55:11 [shadi]
SAZ: maybe an explicit bulleted list will make the items appear more clearly?
12:55:41 [Zakim]
-samuel
12:57:09 [shadi]
CS: are we excluding evaluation tools in office suites in 1.1?
12:57:33 [shadi]
...though later on I see references to PDF and other formats
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...is it in or out of scope?
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SAZ: certainly not intentionally exlcuding these
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...documents often land on the web and thus are part of web development and evaluation
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...but must not be side-tracked
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...please point out particular wording that seemed exclusive
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SAZ: maybe break down reporting (2.6) into "report formats" and "report customization"?
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...maybe also add "report visualization", such as dashboards etc?
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SAZ: also think 2.13 seems quite different in tone and approach to 2.2, for example
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...might be better to focus on encapsulated technical features that a developer can implement by itself
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-carlos
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-shadi
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-cstrobbe
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
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Attendees were shadi, samuel, +49.711.892.3.aaaa, cstrobbe, carlos
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
13:15:36 [Zakim]
sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/21-er-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items