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14:51:46 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:51:46 <trackbot> Date: 20 August 2013
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14:53:20 <glenn> zakim, ??p6 is me
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15:02:59 <glenn> zakim, [Adobe] has joesteele
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15:04:50 <joesteele> agenda: http://timeanddate.com/s/2ebe
15:04:56 <joesteele> chair: joesteele
15:05:53 <ddorwin> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Aug/0035.html
15:05:55 <wseltzer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Aug/0035.html
15:06:18 <johnsim> scribenick: johnsim
15:06:39 <johnsim> TOPIC: Roll call, introductions
15:06:50 <joesteele> zakim, who is here?
15:06:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, Wendy, davide, markw, [Adobe], pal, ddorwin, johnsim
15:06:52 <Zakim> [Adobe] has joesteele
15:06:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see adrianba, BobLund, johnsim, pal, markw, davide, ddorwin, joesteele, Zakim, RRSAgent, glenn, trackbot, wseltzer
15:07:12 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:07:16 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
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15:07:31 <joesteele> topic: previous minutes
15:07:32 <joesteele> http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-html-media-minutes.html
15:07:36 <johnsim> TOPIC: Previous Minutes
15:07:42 <glenn> zakim, who's here?
15:07:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, Wendy, davide, markw, [Adobe], pal, ddorwin, johnsim, adrianba
15:07:44 <Zakim> [Adobe] has joesteele
15:07:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see adrianba, BobLund, johnsim, pal, markw, davide, ddorwin, joesteele, Zakim, RRSAgent, glenn, trackbot, wseltzer
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15:08:06 <glenn> zakim, [adobe] is joesteele
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15:08:06 <johnsim> TOPIC: Review of open actions/issues
15:08:42 <joesteele> ACTION-25?
15:08:42 <trackbot> ACTION-25 -- David Dorwin to And John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 -- due 2013-08-13 -- OPEN
15:08:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/25
15:08:44 <johnsim> joesteele: johnsim to work on 17673 (action 25)
15:08:49 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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15:10:11 <johnsim> joesteele: defer action 30 until we get to the corresponding bug
15:10:34 <johnsim> joesteele: action 37 - assigned to Mark - updating the Wiki
15:10:45 <johnsim> markw: has not been done yet, leave open
15:11:01 <joesteele> action-37?
15:11:01 <trackbot> action-37 -- Mark Watson to Update wiki provided for bug 20944 to cover the case where the drm is supporting by the os -- due 2013-08-20 -- OPEN
15:11:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/37
15:11:07 <johnsim> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/37
15:11:08 <glenn> q+
15:11:42 <johnsim> glenn: also two actions marked "pending review", 15 and 23
15:12:08 <joesteele> action-15?
15:12:08 <trackbot> action-15 -- Adrian Bateman to Add text based on henri's comment to the spec for bug 21203 -- due 2013-05-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:12:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/15
15:12:45 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21203
15:13:21 <johnsim> ddorwin: review of adrianba changes to address henri's comments on x-domain
15:13:26 <johnsim> x-origin
15:13:30 <Zakim> -markw
15:13:50 <Zakim> +markw
15:13:57 <joesteele> Thanks. The "or use the crossorigin…" bit at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/rev/69dbfb8baca8#l1.19 is confused, though. A CORS-enabled fetch labels the obtained resource as CORS-same-origin or CORS-cross-origin, so using the crossorigin attribute is part of making a cross-origin resource CORS-same-origin.   I suggest replacing " or use the crossorigin attribute on the media element and CORS headers on the media data response to authorize cros[CUT]
15:14:00 <joesteele> q?
15:14:05 <joesteele> ack glenn
15:15:04 <johnsim> joesteele: re-open the bug to make changes as suggested by Henri
15:15:47 <joesteele> action-23?
15:15:47 <trackbot> action-23 -- Aaron Colwell to Update spec for bug 22134 by the next call -- due 2013-07-02 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:15:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/23
15:16:50 <johnsim> joesteele: skip this one since it is MSE and not all right people on the call
15:17:08 <joesteele> issue-1?
15:17:08 <trackbot> issue-1 -- Consider moving the Clear Key definition into a separate specification -- raised
15:17:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/issues/1
15:17:50 <johnsim> adrianba: parked until we get to recommendation - decide this on implementation experience
15:17:58 <joesteele> q?
15:18:21 <johnsim> glenn: just noticed in blink proposal to suggest support in android and already in the desktop
15:19:01 <johnsim> adrianba: just one of the discussion point - we just said we didn't need to make a decision on this right now
15:19:16 <johnsim> TOPIC: EME Heartbeat Publication
15:19:27 <joesteele> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2013Jul/0039.html
15:19:53 <wseltzer> q+
15:20:20 <glenn> link for blink/android implementation of eme/clearkey is https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/blink-dev/hyP7GAg3mlE
15:20:21 <johnsim> wseltzer: no publications next week (w3c)
15:20:21 <wseltzer> ack ws
15:20:38 <johnsim> joesteele: which means it would have to be the following week if we think that is doable. do we want to say
15:20:51 <johnsim> adrianba: i would be happy to prepare the draft
15:21:05 <johnsim> ddorwin: anything we want to get into the heartbeat?
15:22:26 <johnsim> adrianba: we need to make the change for stable URL and that should be good enough
15:22:44 <johnsim> TOPIC: EME Status and Bugs
15:22:48 <joesteele> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
15:23:26 <johnsim> joesteele: start with bug 22901
15:26:21 <johnsim> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20966
15:27:13 <johnsim> decision to close was made in previous meeting and it is due next week
15:28:11 <johnsim> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854#c9
15:28:57 <johnsim> adrianba: due next week - no existing action - define action
15:29:13 <adrianba> ACTION: adrianba to implement bug 21854
15:29:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - Implement bug 21854 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2013-08-27].
15:29:53 <johnsim> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21855#c5
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15:32:07 <johnsim> joesteele: in the implementation we are working on, we are able to count all the references, so we don't get an orphaned session
15:32:36 <johnsim> adrianba: not so much orphaned, since there still is a reference, say you have two sessions sharing a key, you need to fire a keymessage
15:33:11 <johnsim> ... we agreed you only need to fire one keymessage, if you do that, you keep around the other session, do they all move into pending
15:33:34 <johnsim> ... originally you had two needkey events, so you create two sessions at the same time, but after the first cycle of getting ready
15:34:40 <joesteele> johnsim: need to document the use cases we are describing - hard to handle the otherwise
15:35:24 <johnsim> joesteele: where should that documentation take place? In the bug? Use case as a template?
15:37:23 <johnsim> adrianba: start an email or in the bug and go from there so we can make good progress before November
15:38:04 <joesteele> q?
15:38:24 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673
15:38:33 <adrianba> ACTION-25?
15:38:34 <trackbot> ACTION-25 -- David Dorwin to And John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 -- due 2013-08-13 -- OPEN
15:38:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/25
15:38:35 <ddorwin> q+
15:38:55 <johnsim> ddorwin: last week discussion about pssh and interop
15:39:09 <johnsim> ddorwin: anyone could use format for pssh and system id
15:39:34 <johnsim> ddorwin: do we want to only support CENC or other proteciton systems.
15:39:35 <johnsim> q+
15:39:40 <ddorwin> ack dd
15:40:04 <johnsim> joesteele: we are saying we would send less information. part of the proposal to not include the sinf box?
15:40:30 <johnsim> ddorwin: current is to include the sinf box for other protection systems.
15:40:41 <joesteele> ack johnsim
15:41:14 <joesteele> johnsim: this was discussed in Leone - I took an action item to meet Dave Singer as he had an objection to passing just SINF boxes in the init data
15:41:24 <joesteele> ... he said what he thought should be passed
15:41:36 <joesteele> ... for full generality -- we modified the spec with his input
15:41:48 <joesteele> ... additional modifications came later
15:42:00 <joesteele> ... but there are consequences for these changes that make it complicated
15:42:13 <joesteele> ... if we were to only suppor the CENC it becomes less complicated
15:42:23 <joesteele> ... PSSH would not need to be passed (we think)
15:42:47 <joesteele> ... formatting of the PSSH payload is a separate question - going beyond W3C since those are proprietary
15:43:03 <joesteele> ... that is where we landed as of last discussion
15:43:15 <joesteele> ... everyone seems to be using CENC
15:43:38 <joesteele> ... all the changes we put in were proposed by Apple (Dave Singer)
15:44:20 <joesteele> ... we have some bifurcation in the spec already, could separate out the CENC and have it very well documented
15:44:31 <joesteele> ... what do the editors think?
15:44:48 <markw_> q+
15:44:49 <joesteele> q?
15:44:59 <joesteele> ack markw_
15:45:14 <ddorwin> q+
15:46:08 <johnsim> ddorwin: if we change the title to cenc, interop seems like what we want to target
15:46:08 <ddorwin> ack dd
15:47:19 <joesteele> johnsim: would like to get resolution on this soon
15:47:32 <joesteele> ... if there are objections we need to know what they are
15:48:12 <johnsim> joesteele: not publishing a heartbeat next week, give ourselves a week to talk about it. get a resolution before the heartbeat spec?
15:48:30 <johnsim> ddorwin: still alot of issues beyond choosing common encryption.
15:48:56 <johnsim> ddorwin: more stuff to fix beyond - long list of concerns
15:49:57 <johnsim> ddorwin: we could simplify by first four bytes are 'cenc' or indicate in the mime type it is common encryption in order to support other protection types
15:51:34 <markw_> q+
15:51:48 <joesteele> ack markw_
15:52:38 <johnsim> markw_: any format for EME - use common encryption - that is - i think saying with common encryption on title is fine, but then if they came with a different format, then we would ask about the impact on interoperability
15:53:16 <adrianba> q+
15:54:19 <johnsim> adrianba: make the proposal, highlight the discussion to those who suggested we make the change in the first place
15:54:50 <markw_> q+
15:54:57 <johnsim> adrianba: a little uncomfortable not having a way to support other protection systems. maybe do as David suggested to signal common encryption
15:54:59 <joesteele> ack adrianba
15:55:06 <joesteele> ack markw_
15:55:48 <johnsim> markw_: we say anyway that the initdata is a sequence of iso boxes, and in our common encryption it will be pssh boxes, if someone comes up with a different format they would define a different set of ISO boxes
15:56:11 <johnsim> joesteele: my comments - i agree - we want to say "common encryption", and agree with David proposal that we be flexible
15:56:38 <johnsim> ... main concern to deciding this is that D Singer is not on this call, and do some research on what exactly would have to be passed
15:57:10 <johnsim> ... i need to verify if the Adobe solution will work with only pssh - but standardizing on common encryption is a good thing
15:57:13 <Zakim> -BobLund
15:58:21 <johnsim> adrianba: send a mail to the list and cc them (David Singer, etc.)
15:59:13 <joesteele> johnsim: we should send an email and update the bug with the direction
15:59:44 <adrianba> q+
15:59:55 <joesteele> ack adrianba
16:00:10 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515
16:00:53 <johnsim> adrianba: jerry and I had an action on 18515 and Jerry added a comment - we think the readystate should not change - we can discuss by email or on the next call
16:01:10 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:01:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/20-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:01:16 <joesteele> zakim, who is here?
16:01:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, Wendy, davide, joesteele, pal, ddorwin, johnsim, adrianba, Plh, [Microsoft], markw
16:01:18 <Zakim> joesteele has joesteele
16:01:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see markw_, jdsmith, plh, adrianba, johnsim, pal, davide, ddorwin, joesteele, Zakim, RRSAgent, glenn, trackbot, wseltzer
16:01:30 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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16:06:44 <Zakim> Attendees were glenn, Wendy, davide, markw, pal, ddorwin, joesteele, johnsim, adrianba, BobLund, Plh, [Microsoft]
16:08:32 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:08:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/20-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
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