IRC log of html-a11y on 2013-08-15

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force
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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
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+Mark_Sadecki
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+[IPcaller]
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+John_Foliot
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+??P15
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zakim, [IPcaller is lwatson
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+lwatson; got it
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, ??P15 is Janina
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+Janina; got it
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zakim, [IPcaller is chaals
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+chaals; got it
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agenda+ procedures CfC
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We are waiting on PF for a proposal that would satisfy them. HTML is waiting on a new proposal.
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agenda+ longdesc: testing, Last Call comments
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What to do with the tests proposed http://github.com/chaals/longdesc-tests
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Plan for resolving last call issues
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Plan for tracking LC comments explicitly
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agenda+ HTML5 testing and interoperability
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agenda+ Canvas testing and interoperability
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agenda+ HTML 5.1
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agenda+ Sub-teams
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agenda+ Any Other Business
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zakim, agendum 12?
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I don't understand your question, chaals.
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scribe: janina
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zakim, take up agendum 13
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agendum 13. "procedures CfC" taken up [from chaals]
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-chaals
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CN: PF objected tothe procedures, so the CfCs failed.
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+David_MacDonald
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+??P18
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zakim, ??p18 is me
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+chaals; got it
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Mark_Sadecki, lwatson, John_Foliot, Janina, David_MacDonald, chaals
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On IRC I see JF, chaals, janina, RRSAgent, lwatson, MarkS, trackbot, IanPouncey1, hober, MichaelC, Zakim
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Q+
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-chaals
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+chaals
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q+
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ack JF
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Charles: Proposes that telecon may propose a CFC, and the facilitators will start with a email
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me/ thought we were talking about longdesc
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Charles: Proposes comments in telecon will count
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s/ me/ thought we were talking about longdesc /
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janina: Suggests lang needs to confirm telecon can make decisions, but subject to email or WBS CFC confirmation
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Charles: Suggests telecon comments should count because commenter is responsible for correcting any mistatement by the scribe
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+1 to Chaals re: minutes. Gregory R. used to always note that corrections should be sent to the list
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q?
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ack j
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zakim, take up agendum 14
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agendum 14. "longdesc: testing, Last Call comments" taken up [from chaals]
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Q+
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charles: Wrote some tests
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ack jf
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jf: Looks good, can help
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jf: Have strong objections re LC comments received in email ...
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charles: Can we talk testing first?
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jf: OK
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Charles: Don't know how to automate tests ...
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Charles: Tests I've proposed have no status yet, expect we'll consider for a few days yet then do cfc against them
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q+
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Charles: Would be helpful for people to run tests know and email initial results
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Zakim: https://github.com/chaals/longdesc-tests
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ack m
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q?
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Q+
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Mark: Tests look good ...
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Mark: Can get a stble uri for them and add the descriptions
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action: Mark to add descriptions
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'Mark' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., mhakkine, msadecki, mwatson2).
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action: marks to add Charles descriptions to the proposed longdesc tests
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Created ACTION-190 - Add charles descriptions to the proposed longdesc tests [on Mark Sadecki - due 2013-08-22].
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Chalres: Suggest we start collecting results on a wiki page
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Charles: Not worried about how people report. It's a small set, and we can normalize results in our report
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q+
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ack dav
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Charles: Suggest we run CFC on these test longer than usual as it's August vacation for many people
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DM: Asks about where the tests are and how to use them
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Charles: They're on github
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janina: URI above
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ack jf
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Charles: Let's move to the comments discussion ...
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jf: Have strong concerns about comments received. Words like "better" may not be appropriate in this doc
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jf: e.g. epub authoring guidance should be in epub, not in this TF's spec
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janina +`1
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q?
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Q+
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charles; Think it may be useful to provide some guidance on when and how to use the spec
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q+
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charles: So, an ongoing discussion in email on what may be OK
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jf: Our spec is about images, why are we discussing svg, or epub?
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charles: because are images
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charles: Notes that only some ua's make svg a11y
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jf: Suggest it's counter to our purpose to put qualified authoring guidance into this spec, i.e. ua X & Y support, but on others do Z
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charles: Suggests JF chime in on email thread
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Q+
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ack JF
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ack janina
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ack lwatson
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janina: Agree with JF but also concerned that there are still use cases, even when full ml might exist, to provide an overview of the structure e.g. in a textbook
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leonie: Suggest we not try accomplish all this in this early doc
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ack me
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charles: Agree with LW. People should be able to generalize from our spec
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charles: Notes that even jpeg supports providing an overview, also svg
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Q+
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ack JF
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charles: In a transitionary world, which we're in, we do, because not all can take advantage of svg a11y
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charles: I expect to raise a bug on how we handle this
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marks: Have we considered using comment tracker?
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https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/44061/WD-html-longdesc-20130716/
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marks: Have input comments received just to see how the tool works and might help with responses
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charles: agree it's a good tool
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charles: So, if there, let's use it?
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janina: Agree. We're obligated to show response to all comments with rationale
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zakim, next item
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agendum 6. "Alt Edits Completed" taken up [from See Below]
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topic: HTML 5 Testing
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marks: Heard from Jason White that we should look how a11y apis map lang
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marks: Otherwise no issue to test
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marks: Requested extension on our response to Sep 4
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marks: Inasmuch as current Sep 1 is Sunday of a 3-day holliday weekend
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marks: Have test file from Rich for testing focus rings, and have run tests with mixed results
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marks: Definitely useful to forward
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topic: subteams
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Longdesc test files uploaded http://davidmacd.com/test/longdesc-tests-master/
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marks: No quorum in Bug triage
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marks: Looked at bugs, have one to ask now
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22931
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marks: Wondering whether this sufficiently supports magnification, i.e. to find the iframe
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dm: Don't think so at this time, what would help?
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leonie: Mags will follow mouse for focus, including into an iframe
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marks: OK
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topic: html 5.1
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marks: we need dialog or transcripts ml? Perhaps?
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charles: This issue has a history, even back in HTML 4
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charles: agree it would be useful to ml discussions better than we can now
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janina: Also suggesting date pickers
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charles: Suggest people look at inputs and web components. Important for html
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action: Charles to provide pointer for web components work to the list
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Created ACTION-191 - Provide pointer for web components work to the list [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-08-22].
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-John_Foliot
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-lwatson
16:00:06 [David_]
Focus enhancements http://www.aisquared.com/docs/zt10/zt10_QRG_UK_English.pdf page 25
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-chaals
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-Mark_Sadecki
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Mark_Sadecki, [IPcaller], John_Foliot, lwatson, Janina, chaals, David_MacDonald
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/15-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
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janina has changed the topic to: HTML-A11Y Teleconference; Thursday 22 August at 15:00Z for 60 minutes
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