13:07:56 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:07:56 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/08/14-dap-irc 13:07:58 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:07:58 Zakim has joined #dap 13:08:00 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:08:00 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 52 minutes 13:08:01 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 13:08:01 Date: 14 August 2013 13:09:03 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Aug/0021.html 13:09:15 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Aug/0021.html 13:59:38 zakim, who is here? 13:59:38 UW_DAP()10:00AM has not yet started, fjh 13:59:39 On IRC I see RRSAgent, fjh, tobie, dom, trackbot, jeffh, Josh_Soref, mounir, richt, slightlyoff 14:00:05 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 14:00:11 +[IPcaller] 14:00:14 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 14:00:14 +fjh; got it 14:00:21 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 14:01:29 Cathy has joined #dap 14:02:35 +Cathy 14:03:07 Zakim, code? 14:03:07 the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), dom 14:03:10 +Josh_Soref 14:03:19 -Cathy 14:03:22 +??P12 14:03:23 Zakim, ??P12 is me 14:03:23 +dom; got it 14:04:12 +Cathy 14:04:48 +??P14 14:05:20 +gmandyam\ 14:06:02 zakim, who is here? 14:06:02 On the phone I see fjh, Josh_Soref, dom, Cathy, ??P14, gmandyam 14:06:03 anssik has joined #dap 14:06:03 On IRC I see Cathy, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tobie, dom, trackbot, jeffh, Josh_Soref, mounir, richt, slightlyoff 14:06:13 Zakim, ??P14 is anssik 14:06:15 +anssik; got it 14:07:09 scribenick: fjh 14:07:45 Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements 14:07:53 welcome Jianliang, Wenmei Huawei ; http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Aug/0001.html 14:08:22 gmandyam has joined #dap 14:08:41 No F2F at TPAC - meeting canceled 14:11:09 Publishing moratoria (26 Aug, 11 Nov, 18 Dec) https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2013JulSep/0029 14:11:45 Topic: Minutes approval 14:11:55 Approve minutes from 24 July 2013 14:11:56 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Aug/att-0002/minutes-2013-07-24.html 14:12:06 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 24 July 2013 are approved 14:12:22 Topic: Network Service Discovery 14:13:08 fjh: rich made an update to address issues raised by Adam Barth, need to review changes 14:13:22 ISSUE-135? 14:13:22 ISSUE-135 -- Add security and privacy considerations section -- open 14:13:22 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/135 14:13:28 ISSUE=136? 14:13:37 ISSUE-136? 14:13:37 ISSUE-136 -- Issues related to garbage collection -- open 14:13:37 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/136 14:14:15 fjh: I was looking at implementation for our specs, added these issues related to network service discovery 14:14:48 fjh: looks like chromium implementation is on 'wait and see' versus other browsers and raised issues 14:14:59 fjh: do not believe Mozilla has any plans to implement 14:16:00 +q 14:16:19 fjh: we need a second implementation 14:17:55 fjh: think we need to publish new WD, given promises and others changes 14:18:02 fjh: need to close issues before LC 14:18:14 +1 on publishing updated WD 14:18:19 dom: agree, would be good to publish LC draft, blog on it and draw attention to it 14:18:33 fjh: do not need to address all issues to publish another WD 14:18:39 ack gmandyam 14:18:47 s/publish LC/publish a/ 14:19:07 gmandyman: web and TV interest group - suggest we look at implementations other than browser vendor implementations 14:19:52 fjh: need to see who we might specifically include 14:20:11 gmandyam: need to have joint meeting with web and TV interest group to get them involved 14:20:15 +1 on a joint teleconf with Web & TV IG to draw attention to this; again, a new WD would be a good trigger for that 14:20:47 dom: also need rich on the call for that 14:22:27 action: fjh to organize joint call with web and TV group re network service discovery 14:22:27 Created ACTION-646 - Organize joint call with web and tv group re network service discovery [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-08-21]. 14:23:04 (would work for me) 14:25:20 +1 on publishing (and not needing a CfC) 14:25:36 RESOLUTION: Publish updated WD of Network Service Discovery 14:25:51 josh_soref: +1 to publishing updated WD of network service disocver 14:26:19 [can't you share the editors draft in that case?] 14:26:22 fjh: also can use update WD to share with Ping, but might wait until more issues are resolved 14:26:40 Topic: Vibration 14:26:48 Question/Comment on CR draft: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Jul/0050.html 14:26:57 Question Vibration and iframes, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Jul/0055.html 14:28:37 -> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/blink-dev/hH9bJGWKAbk Intent to implement Vibration API in Chromium 14:28:52 [Thursday not ideal but workable] 14:30:57 fjh: anssik are you able to answer these questions on the list 14:31:10 anssik: yes, will answer 14:32:11 Topic: Light 14:32:18 -Josh_Soref 14:32:30 we've addressed LC comments, not response from Anne, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Aug/0015.html 14:32:58 fjh: is there a reason this should not go to CR? 14:33:36 +Josh_Soref 14:34:23 josh_soref: wrote test for page visibility for vibration 14:34:30 fjh: can you please send message on this to the list? 14:34:41 josh_soref: yes, will send today 14:34:48 dom: you will send your test cases as well? 14:34:52 josh_soref: yes 14:35:46 +1 on sending CfC 14:37:02 action: fjh to send CfC to progress Light to CR, two week CfC 14:37:02 Created ACTION-647 - Send cfc to progress light to cr, two week cfc [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-08-21]. 14:37:15 Topic: Proximity 14:37:29 fjh: same situation with proximity, LC comments addressed but not closed due to no response 14:37:45 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Aug/0015.html 14:37:55 action: fjh to send CfC to progress Proxmity to CR, two week CfC 14:37:55 Created ACTION-648 - Send cfc to progress proxmity to cr, two week cfc [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-08-21]. 14:38:05 Topic: HTML Media Capture 14:38:52 ACTION-523? 14:38:52 ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN 14:38:52 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523 14:39:33 Topic: Test cases and implementation 14:39:55 fjh: thanks Dom for git review and pull for battery and vibration 14:40:18 fjh: both seem to need a bit more work to complete 14:41:12 dom: I marked these as approved because one person produced the test cases, and another reviewed, hope that is ok with group 14:41:16 fjh: I think so 14:41:26 dom: some additional work needed on vibration test case 14:41:50 fjh: todo.txt for battery says: proper {level | chargingtime | dischargingtime}change tests 14:41:53 not sure what that means 14:41:58 https://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/battery-status/TODO.txt 14:42:44 anssik: need to review whether these todo have been already addressed 14:43:13 action: anssik to review todo items associated with battery test cases 14:43:13 Created ACTION-649 - Review todo items associated with battery test cases [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2013-08-21]. 14:43:38 anssik: tests were originally done with desktop firefox, need to run test on mobile device 14:43:50 dom: which implementations do we know of 14:44:02 … firefox, is blackberry implementing? 14:44:10 josh_soref: I think so but need to check 14:44:20 +q 14:44:28 anssik: ran on very early firefox device, back then, passed 14:45:06 anssik: first bullet indicates user interaction is required, so about making it easier for human to perform tests 14:45:14 … current test should work, not optimal for tester 14:45:38 fjh: anssik, can you update todo.txt 14:46:01 (rather than todo.txt, they should be filed as issues in github I think) 14:46:02 ack gmandyam 14:46:23 fjh: agree with dom, issues should be tracked separately, not in a file 14:47:00 gmandyam: do we have any strategy for comparing actual levels for mobile device for battery api and native api 14:47:07 … or just not worry about tit? 14:47:10 s/tit/it/ 14:47:45 dom: we concludeer in TPAC, API did not need to provide an exact match 14:47:45 s/concludeer/concluded/ 14:48:05 gmandyam: I raised the issue, not sure we agreed, such an issue could cause developers to avoid issue 14:48:17 dom: we are not equipped to do such detailed testing 14:48:44 … in W3C we test at a higher level, could be good to test, but not necessary to test that for interoperability 14:49:27 anssik: conforming implementations can have different quality of implementations, some might match closer, so implementation dependent 14:49:52 josh_soref: privacy consideration, might not want to indicate that other apps are using the battery, so advantage to not having a close match 14:50:01 … not a conformance issue or not a close match 14:50:25 … some might decide this api not needed, since all you can do is make a battery meter, my opinion but we will see 14:50:31 gmandyam: could do it 14:50:41 josh_soref: not point in doing it 14:50:47 s/not/no/ 14:51:38 gmandyam: not saying we need to do this to exit CR 14:51:53 dom: can continue to submit test cases, suite is not frozen 14:52:07 … please provide test cases if you are able 14:52:18 gmandyam: I will share again on mail list, already did 14:52:41 dom: did you post a test case 14:53:21 gmandyam: showed how I did comparison with native battery readings on windows, requires lots of human 14:53:43 fjh: how do you decide what margin of error is acceptable? 14:54:14 anssik: believe this is quality of implementation issue 14:54:18 josh_soref: +1 14:55:09 fjh: if anyone has any additional test cases please share on list 14:55:28 … we should remove the todo.txt file and raise the issues in git, clarifying that they are enhancements 14:55:42 Topic: Action review 14:55:46 ACTION-523? 14:55:46 ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN 14:55:46 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523 14:55:52 ACTIOBN-621? 14:55:58 ACTION-621? 14:55:58 ACTION-621 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Create test cases for HTML Media Capture -- due 2013-03-13 -- OPEN 14:55:58 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/621 14:56:06 ACTION-641? 14:56:06 ACTION-641 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to Do a last check on battery and vibration test cases before merging in github master -- due 2013-08-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:56:06 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/641 14:56:13 close ACTION-641 14:56:13 Closed ACTION-641. 14:56:22 ACTION-642? 14:56:22 ACTION-642 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to Review proximity and ambient light test cases -- due 2013-09-18 -- OPEN 14:56:22 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/642 14:56:30 ACTION-643? 14:56:30 ACTION-643 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Review Ambient Light and Proximity test cases by Sept -- due 2013-07-10 -- OPEN 14:56:30 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/643 14:56:42 ACTION-644? 14:56:42 ACTION-644 -- Frederick Hirsch to Ask TAG for feedback on promises with Network Discovery -- due 2013-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:56:42 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/644 14:56:48 waiting for spec to stabilize a bit more 14:57:12 [regrets from me] 14:57:22 Topic: Meeting time 14:58:09 Discussion regarding moving regular time for this call, participants on the call are ok with Thur 10 am ET 14:58:33 -dom 14:58:34 -gmandyam 14:58:34 -Josh_Soref 14:58:36 -anssik 14:58:48 action: fjh to propose changing meeting time to Thur at 10 am ET slot 14:58:48 Created ACTION-650 - Propose changing meeting time to thur at 10 am et slot [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2013-08-21]. 14:58:48 -Cathy 14:59:02 josh_soref: 5 Sept might be a problem 14:59:07 Topic: Other business 14:59:08 None 14:59:12 Topic: Adjourn 15:00:03 Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux, Anssi_Kostiainen, Girl_Mandyam, Cathy_Chan, Josh_Soref 15:00:09 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:00:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/14-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:00:31 Chair: Frederick_Hirssch 15:00:36 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 15:01:13 s/ISSUE=136?// 15:01:23 s/+q// 15:01:47 s/+q//g 15:02:03 s/ACTIOBN-621?// 15:02:13 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:02:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/14-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:07:05 -fjh 15:07:06 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 15:07:06 Attendees were fjh, Cathy, Josh_Soref, dom, gmandyam\, anssik 16:50:12 Zakim has left #dap