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11:52:34 <fsasaki> meeting: MLW-LT WG / ITS IG
11:52:37 <fsasaki> chair: felix
11:52:51 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Aug/0004.html
11:52:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/07-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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12:05:18 <fsasaki> scribe: daveL
12:05:35 <fsasaki> topic: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Aug/0004.html
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12:06:41 <daveL> arle: asks to add christian's recent comment to agenda
12:06:54 <daveL> pedro: ask to add review of event to agents
12:07:00 <fsasaki> topic:  MLW-LT part: update on spec transition
12:07:26 <daveL> felix: felix, dave and david had call with ITS management a couple of weeks ago
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12:07:49 <daveL> ... advance to ITS2.0 is on hold because of some issues
12:07:57 <Ankit> present+ Ankit
12:08:25 <daveL> ... first we have reference to html draft rather than CR with relation to wording around translate
12:08:48 <daveL> ... but this is resolved as we have confirmation that this will be in next CR in a week or so
12:08:52 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Aug/0001.html
12:09:03 <daveL> .... second issue was feedback from RDF group
12:09:22 <daveL> ... i have requested this so expect this to be resolved
12:09:43 <daveL> ... final, main issue is the reference in normative ITS2.0 text to NIF
12:10:10 <daveL> ... the status of NIF organisation is not clear with respect to stability
12:10:13 <Arle> (I need to step away for a few minutes. Will be back in a few.)
12:10:27 <daveL> ... talking to W3c management later today to try and advance this topic
12:11:02 <daveL> ... overall means that there is a delay until mid sept to early oct for final specification
12:13:59 <daveL> pedro; asks if we could move NIF to non-normative?
12:14:13 <fsasaki> s/pedro;/pedro:/
12:14:15 <daveL> felix: possible, but not sure of the consequences
12:14:35 <daveL> ... but would like to avoid this if possible
12:15:01 <daveL> df: agrees, should be last resort
12:15:39 <daveL> ... also possiblility of mirroring NIF in W3C community group as a better option if needed
12:16:19 <daveL> felix: propose skipping xliff mapping topic since yves is not hear
12:16:20 <fsasaki> topic: xliff mapping topic
12:16:25 <fsasaki> skipped for today
12:16:45 <fsasaki> topic: events
12:16:55 <fsasaki> http://www.meta-net.eu/events/meta-forum-2013
12:17:20 <daveL> felix: we have meta-forum event where it would be great to have as many present as possible
12:18:02 <fsasaki> http://www.meta-net.eu/events/meta-forum-2013/programme
12:18:02 <daveL> ... pedro, and felix will e presenting ITS2.0
12:18:23 <daveL> ... will also be a demo session, will hear details of this later today
12:18:47 <daveL> felix; one other event planned in madrid on 25-27 nov
12:19:09 <daveL> ... but with development on ITS progress don't have bandwidth to organise this event
12:19:53 <daveL> ... propose we still meet for final group meeting, perhaps with overlap with some people from LIDEr project
12:19:58 <daveL> ... asks for comments
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12:21:25 <daveL> df: agree madrid is not viable, but there are other options, locworld, santa clara, perhaps TCOM and pedro has talk accepted
12:22:29 <daveL> pedro: there is an opportunity to link with LIDER 25-27th, as there is another LOD related event there also
12:23:17 <daveL> ... or could have option to arrange a session in early jan
12:24:07 <daveL> felix; would prefer to keep madrid workshop for wrap up purposes
12:24:51 <fsasaki> s/felix;/felix:/
12:25:06 <daveL> ... and also plan a MLW workshop next year which would be a good target that it would be good for people from this group to attend
12:25:56 <daveL> jirka: question on meta-forum, is it thursdya or friday
12:26:03 <daveL> pedro: we have things on thursday
12:27:07 <daveL> felix: but agenda is not fixed, so demo might be of friday also - but will try and get it on thursday along with ITS presentation
12:27:50 <fsasaki> s/topic: events/topic: events and outreach/
12:28:21 <daveL> jirka: asks about special issue of localization focus
12:28:49 <daveL> df: still in train, but looking for mid august deadline
12:28:56 <daveL> ... open to negotiation
12:30:30 <daveL> pedro: would be willing to provide one also
12:32:14 <fsasaki> topic: ITS2 logo
12:32:49 <daveL> felix: update - there was a lot of discussion in dublin
12:33:15 <daveL> ... hope to have something ready for this week
12:33:46 <fsasaki> topic: mail about lqi
12:34:03 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Aug/0000.html
12:35:08 <daveL> christian: I have been involved in automated quality check for some time
12:35:31 <daveL> ... managed to finally review in more detail and with some other people with expertise in the area
12:36:00 <daveL> ... Result in documents attached to email
12:37:18 <daveL> ... overall: could clarify descriptions, with different comments from typos to more general comments
12:37:45 <fsasaki> official period = "last call" period
12:38:24 <daveL> ... but observe we are past last call, so this should be treated as input to IG rather than to spec
12:39:22 <daveL> felix: so its not possible to change things that affect implementation, but its good to have them reported for future versions
12:40:17 <daveL> arle: more interested in terminology clarifications in non-normative text.
12:40:47 <daveL> ... i volunteer to go through this as see what could be improve in non-normative
12:41:46 <daveL> felix: suggest to schedule a few session to go through this, including say Arle, Phil, Christian and anyone else, as long as there are no normative changes
12:42:11 <Arle> Arle
12:42:17 <philr> I would be interested
12:42:19 <chriLi> Christian
12:42:25 <tadej> tadej
12:42:25 <fsasaki> felix
12:42:37 <daveL> ... asks people who are interested in discussion to say on IRC
12:42:41 <fsasaki> yves potentially too
12:43:11 <dF> I would be interested, will however probably not find the time because of XLIFF 2.0 PR editing effort :-(
12:43:11 <daveL> I would be interested
12:43:47 <daveL> arle: i will create doodle to arrange slots
12:44:35 <fsasaki> topic: deliverables
12:45:03 <dF> just a clarification, the doodle should be sent to the whole list
12:45:27 <philr> Well done Pedro!
12:45:31 <daveL> felix: just want to thank pedro for the nice short summary he produced on real time translation with nice video
12:46:08 <daveL> pedro: aim with this is to finalise this part of work with EC
12:47:09 <daveL> ... but keep us posted on any advances on arrange video perhaps with professional support
12:48:17 <fsasaki> topic: aob
12:50:10 <fsasaki> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXZfZ7sBloE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUotaJ_41MZRCsfYPm8nytBQ
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