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15:01:01 <AWK> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:01:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html AWK
15:01:21 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:01:33 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
15:01:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:02:03 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
15:02:03 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
15:02:04 <AWK> Zakim, Microsoft is Cherie
15:02:05 <Zakim> +Cherie; got it
15:02:21 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn
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15:05:25 <Loretta> zakim, IPcaller is Loretta
15:05:25 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
15:06:17 <AWK> TOPIC: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ARIATechs_June21_2013/results#xdialog
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15:07:10 <AWK> ScrScribe: David
15:07:11 <David> scribe:David
15:07:37 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
15:07:50 <David> AWK: aria alert dialogue to identify errors.
15:07:59 <Joshue> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:07:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue
15:08:50 <David> RESOLUTION: Leave open, needs examples.
15:10:12 <David> s/leave open/send back to the task force
15:10:54 <David> Topic: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ARIATechs_Aug6_2013  survey
15:11:51 <David> 1. WCAG review of ARIA-edit: F63: Failure of Success Criterion 2.4.4 due to providing link context only in content that is not related to the link
15:12:43 <David> BB asked what they had to do with WAI RIA
15:13:52 <David> LGR: We went through existing failures and added text about WAI ARIA to failure to ensure they were not overly strict
15:15:30 <MichaelC> q+
15:16:00 <MichaelC> q+ to say the structure of failure ¨techniques¨ is increasingly not working for us; this is another point; I want to continue to explore alternate approaches
15:17:11 <Joshue> +q
15:17:14 <MichaelC> ack me
15:17:14 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say the structure of failure ¨techniques¨ is increasingly not working for us; this is another point; I want to continue to explore alternate approaches
15:17:35 <Joshue> ack me
15:17:56 <David> MC: structure of failure ¨techniques¨ is increasingly not working for us; this is another point; I want to continue to explore alternate approaches
15:18:12 <Loretta> Evaluators find them very useful.
15:18:52 <David> JO: unexplored canon, common failures, so maybe others find that also, I never use them
15:19:37 <David> AWK: People reference failure when trying to understand what was meant...
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15:19:48 <David> q+
15:20:04 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
15:20:09 <Joshue> ack dav
15:20:58 <David> DM: Many say if a failure is not listed it is not a failure
15:21:23 <David> MC: don't have to change it now, but we should consider new format as a future discussion
15:22:48 <David> AWK: wonder about support for Definition List
15:23:25 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:23:31 <Joshue> JOC: FWIW, I also agree with Bruce.
15:23:48 <Joshue> ack gregg
15:24:27 <AWK> q+
15:25:47 <Joshue> ack awk
15:25:47 <Loretta> q+ to say that this SC has always pushed the border on accessibility support
15:25:51 <Joshue> +q
15:26:16 <Joshue> -q
15:26:17 <David> http://www.davidmacd.com/test/definitionlist.html
15:26:31 <David> JAWS 14 announces definition list
15:26:40 <Joshue> +q to say its a problem because of the title 'Failure Example 3: Using a Definitions List"
15:27:13 <AWK> ack Lor
15:27:13 <Zakim> Loretta, you wanted to say that this SC has always pushed the border on accessibility support
15:27:37 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
15:27:39 <David> q+
15:28:00 <David> Discussion about failures
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15:28:23 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
15:28:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
15:28:26 <David> GV: shouldn't have failures based on accessibility support
15:28:37 <Loretta> q+
15:29:52 <David> I/i see my typing
15:29:57 <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA-edit:_F63:_Failure_of_Success_Criterion_2.4.4_due_to_providing_link_context_only_in_content_that_is_not_related_to_the_link
15:30:02 <Loretta> example 3
15:30:22 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:30:22 <jamesn> q+
15:30:26 <Joshue> ack me
15:30:26 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to say its a problem because of the title 'Failure Example 3: Using a Definitions List"
15:32:11 <Joshue> ack david
15:32:13 <jamesn> http://mars.dequecloud.com/demo/DefinitionListFailureSC2-4-4.htm
15:32:53 <jamesn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013AprJun/0077.html
15:33:04 <AWK> ack lor
15:33:18 <AWK> ack gregg
15:33:23 <AWK> q+
15:33:40 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:33:40 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:35:48 <Joshue> +q
15:36:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
15:36:56 <MichaelC> s/ScrScribe: David//
15:37:04 <MichaelC> chair: Andrew_Kirkpatrick
15:37:16 <MichaelC> meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
15:37:48 <MichaelC> regrets: Kathy_Wahlbin
15:37:57 <Loretta> q+
15:38:13 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013JulSep/0037.html
15:39:17 <Joshue> James have you a URI?
15:39:24 <Joshue> I can't find the comment.
15:39:27 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H81.html
15:39:52 <Joshue> ack awk
15:41:25 <Zakim> +Peter.a
15:41:27 <AWK> ack jame
15:41:30 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
15:41:30 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
15:41:31 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn
15:41:33 <AWK> ack josh
15:41:40 <David> q+
15:41:52 <Loretta> q-
15:42:14 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:42:14 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:42:51 <AWK> ack dav
15:44:19 <Joshue> +1 from me
15:45:12 <David> DM: Next vsion of WCAG should require descriptive links, since ARIA  etc... allows this to be done ... and we've solved the problem of allowing visual link like click her, while describing it programmatically
15:45:49 <David> AWK: Yes let's drop ex three... definition list because it is conflict with 81
15:48:08 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
15:48:08 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
15:48:28 <David> BB: Let's change names of other examples.... ex. 2 link in an adjacent cell within a layout table
15:48:50 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
15:48:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
15:49:17 <David> Resolution: removed ex. 3 definition lists, changed titles of first two examples
15:51:32 <David> Action: Joshue to respond with Sailesh
15:51:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Respond with Sailesh [on Joshue O Connor - due 2013-08-13].
15:54:34 <AWK> TOPIC: 2. WCAG review of ARIA-edit: F59: Failure of Success Criterion 4.1.2 due to using script to make div or span a user interface control in HTML without providing a role for the control
15:56:57 <David> RESOLUTION: accept 59 as proposed
15:57:11 <David> s/59/F59
15:58:08 <David> RESOLUTION: Accept  WCAG review of 'Using aria-labelledby for link purpose' technique as proposed
15:58:59 <David> TOPIC: WCAG review of HTML5 spec on text alternatives
16:05:48 <Loretta> I wish there were some mention of the relevant aria attributes in this section; the discussion of "What an img element represents depends on the src attribute and the alt attribute." is very detailed.
16:06:10 <AWK> Agree with Loretta on that point
16:06:20 <David> LGR: I wish there were some mention of the relevant aria attributes in this section; the discussion of "What an img element represents depends on the src attribute and the alt attribute." is very detailed.
16:07:20 <David> MC: at one point we agreed to take of the section on alt text in HTML5
16:08:16 <AWK> q+
16:08:18 <David> MC: it is up to us to decide what we want to do... either vote, or send feedback as a group, helpful advice and critical advice
16:08:54 <David> MC: We could resplve to oppose it if we felt that way but it doesn't seem our sentiment
16:09:06 <David> q+
16:09:07 <Joshue> s/resplve/resolve
16:09:12 <Joshue> ack awk
16:10:32 <David> AWG: 4.8.1.20 conformance checker ... figcaption, or includes a nonconforming attribute to communicate... strange.. since there ae conforming attribute
16:10:32 <AWK> ack d
16:11:32 <Joshue> +q
16:12:02 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
16:12:08 <Joshue> ack me
16:12:17 <Joshue> http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/
16:12:48 <David> DM: some concern that there will be advice there frozen, and best proactises might change
16:13:32 <David> JO: alt aria labelledby, describedby could replace alt in some examples.
16:15:11 <David> JO: should we make a formal exchange... between group member to Steve
16:15:28 <David> s/member/memebers
16:16:33 <AWK> s/memebers/members
16:16:33 <David> s/memebers/members
16:17:27 <David> DM: I've made my comments as a member of e HTML A11Y task force
16:18:11 <David> RESOLUTION: leave this open for 2 weeks for member to fill in comments to A111
16:18:27 <David> s/A111/A11Y TF
16:19:03 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:19:30 <David> TOPIC: Institutional Memory
16:19:58 <Loretta> q+
16:20:21 <Joshue> ack Loret
16:21:19 <David> LGR: Should we do a WIKI, one page per SC, and a site map
16:24:14 <David> ACTION: Michael to set up institutional memory in WIKI
16:24:14 <trackbot> 'Michael' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., cooper, melledge).
16:24:45 <David> ACTION: Cooper to set up institutional memory in WIKI
16:24:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-210 - Set up institutional memory in WIKI [on Michael Cooper - due 2013-08-13].
16:27:32 <David> LGR: let's block off time for this short chunks to do this during meetings
16:31:07 <David> LGR: define institutional memory
16:31:37 <David> MC: wil put definition on the landing page
16:32:14 <Zakim> -Peter.a
16:32:15 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:32:15 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
16:32:16 <Zakim> -Cherie
16:32:16 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:32:18 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:32:20 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
16:32:21 <Zakim> -Loretta
16:32:24 <AWK> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:32:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html AWK
16:32:46 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended
16:32:46 <Zakim> Attendees were AWK, David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey, Joshue, Cherie, Peter_Korn, Michael_Cooper, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, James_Nurthen, Peter
16:32:51 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:32:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC