13:29:17 RRSAgent has joined #rd 13:29:17 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/07/31-rd-irc 13:29:17 zakim, please clear the agenda 13:29:17 agenda cleared 13:29:19 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:29:21 Zakim, this will be 7394 13:29:21 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute 13:29:22 Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference 13:29:22 Date: 31 July 2013 13:29:45 Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper] 13:29:46 Agenda+ Next Topic Discussion [All] 13:29:46 Agenda+ Alternate Weekly Research - Accreditation of websites for 13:29:46 accessibility as a First Topic [all] 13:29:47 Agenda+ Symposia Timeline http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Symposium_Timeline_Calculator [sharper] 13:29:47 Agenda+ PENDING - Draft Charter Update [shadi] 13:29:47 Agenda+ PENDING - Metrics W3C Note Status [shadi] 13:29:48 Agenda+ PENDING - Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week [shadi] 13:29:48 Agenda+ PENDING - Easy to Read W3C Note Status [klaus] 13:29:48 Agenda+ PENDING - Text Customisation W3C Note Status [shawn/david] 13:29:49 Agenda+ PENDING - User Modelling W3C Note Status [yehya/christos] 13:29:49 Agenda+ PENDING - Close the Loop on the symposium L&F [shadi] 13:29:49 Agenda+ REPEATING - Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [sharper] 13:29:49 Agenda+ REPEATING - Any Other Business (Standing Item) [sharper] 13:29:53 zakim, save agenda 13:30:00 ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/07/31-rd-agenda.rdf 13:30:09 rrsagent, make logs public 13:30:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:30:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/31-rd-minutes.html sharper 13:30:15 zakim, take up item 1 13:30:15 agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper] 13:30:32 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started 13:30:40 +??P26 13:30:41 -??P26 13:30:41 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended 13:30:41 Attendees were 13:30:56 Vivienne has joined #rd 13:31:15 regrets: Markel, Kerstin, Andrea, Giorgio, Yehya, Luz 13:31:16 christos has joined #rd 13:31:27 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started 13:31:34 +[IPcaller] 13:31:40 zakim, IPcaller is me 13:31:40 +Vivienne; got it 13:31:46 +??P27 13:32:00 zakim, ??P27 is me 13:32:00 +christos; got it 13:32:10 zakim, mute me 13:32:10 christos should now be muted 13:32:22 zakim, mute me 13:32:22 Vivienne should now be muted 13:32:24 +??P28 13:32:39 zakim, ??P28 is me 13:32:39 +annika; got it 13:33:19 Justin has joined #rd 13:33:24 +Shadi 13:33:41 +??P30 13:33:52 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:33:52 On the phone I see Vivienne (muted), christos (muted), annika, Shadi, ??P30 13:33:56 zakim, ack me 13:33:56 unmuting christos 13:33:56 zakim, unmute me 13:33:57 silvia_mirri has joined #rd 13:33:57 I see no one on the speaker queue 13:33:57 Vivienne should no longer be muted 13:34:00 zakim, ??P30 is sharper 13:34:00 +sharper; got it 13:34:02 +[IPcaller] 13:34:03 zakim, mute me 13:34:04 christos should now be muted 13:34:10 zakim, mute me 13:34:10 annika should now be muted 13:34:13 zakim, IPcaller is me 13:34:13 +silvia_mirri; got it 13:34:15 +[IPcaller] 13:34:23 zakim, mute me 13:34:23 silvia_mirri should now be muted 13:34:51 hello, I've got some troubles with my microphone 13:35:11 scribe: shadi 13:35:23 zakim, ack me 13:35:23 unmuting christos 13:35:24 I see no one on the speaker queue 13:35:41 zakim, mute me 13:35:41 christos should now be muted 13:35:56 scribe: christos 13:36:36 zakim, take up item 2 13:36:36 agendum 2. "Next Topic Discussion" taken up [from All via sharper] 13:36:56 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2013Jul/0045.html 13:37:21 sh: looking for the next topic. We talked to Marku to do the next one but he is not yet ready 13:37:52 sh: the ones who are not yet involved in symposium and notes is the one about e-learning with justin and silvia 13:38:05 +[IPcaller.a] 13:38:19 yeliz has joined #rd 13:38:28 zakim, ipcaller.a is me 13:38:28 +Justin; got it 13:38:42 sh: Justin and Silvia ... are you ok with going next? and what does the group think? 13:38:48 zakim, mute me 13:38:48 sorry, yeliz, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:39:02 zakim, ipcaller.a is me 13:39:02 sorry, yeliz, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller.a' 13:39:13 sh: any comments... or suggestions? 13:39:52 saz: we should let the coordination group know if we change our plans... 13:40:09 saz: better run thi through the CG first 13:41:01 btw, how can I get my caller id? 13:41:02 it is ok to me 13:41:09 +1 13:41:10 +1 13:41:17 sh: there in no point in going to the CG without Justin and Silvia being ok with that 13:41:36 +1 13:41:38 sh: so it's better to wait for your confirmation before going to the CG 13:41:40 +1 13:41:47 +1 13:42:12 sh: we 'll move forward on that 13:42:38 sh: e-learning will be a very interesting topic 13:42:47 zakim, ipcaller.a is yeliz 13:42:47 sorry, yeliz, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller.a' 13:43:04 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:43:04 On the phone I see Vivienne, christos (muted), annika (muted), Shadi, sharper, silvia_mirri (muted), [IPcaller], Justin 13:43:27 sh: just want to make sure we make the symposium before christmas 13:43:28 zakim, ipcaller is yeliz 13:43:28 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:43:28 +yeliz; got it 13:43:29 sorry, yeliz, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller' 13:43:35 zakim, mute me 13:43:35 yeliz should now be muted 13:43:39 zakim, close item 2 13:43:39 agendum 2, Next Topic Discussion, closed 13:43:40 I see 12 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 13:43:40 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper] 13:43:41 Thanks, Sahdi 13:43:46 Shadi 13:43:48 zakim, take up item 3 13:43:48 agendum 3. "Alternate Weekly Research - Accreditation of websites for" taken up [from sharper] 13:44:19 zakim, mute me 13:44:19 Vivienne should now be muted 13:44:22 sh: this is about the suggestion by Vivviene abou the accreditation of websites 13:44:29 zakim, ack me 13:44:29 unmuting Vivienne 13:44:30 I see no one on the speaker queue 13:44:53 sh: this might be good to have on the 11th of September 13:45:13 viv: I had sime stuff on the wiki 13:45:55 viv: there is a lot of discussion about acceditation of who is accessible and who is going to decide what is accessible and what not 13:46:16 viv: organisations would be interested in that discussion for many reasons 13:46:37 viv: maybe we can prepare a list of questions to discuss 13:46:38 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Advice_for_Organisers_of_Catalogue_Topic_Discussions 13:46:46 +1 to structured discussion 13:46:51 sh: this is the wiki page for the topics 13:47:17 sh: structured discussion will be good 13:47:31 sh: initially for people in the group 13:47:47 sh: and then maybe exted it to other people outside the group 13:48:20 sh: my question is if we can diicde that this will be the topic and we do it on the 11th 13:48:23 +1 13:48:23 +1 13:48:23 +1 13:48:24 +1 13:48:26 +1 13:48:26 q+ 13:48:27 +1 13:48:30 +1 13:48:33 ack sh 13:49:09 saz: I don't object to that... I am not that clear about how this is going to be 13:49:34 saz: I don't want this to be a one off thing without any other discussion and followup 13:50:05 sh: we will publish some catalogue issues based onthem 13:50:22 sh: and then we might see any additional interest 13:50:25 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Advice_for_Organisers_of_Catalogue_Topic_Discussions 13:51:04 sh: if there is other things we need to discuss please alter the wiki page... 13:51:51 viv: i think we can also post some papers on accreditation so that we have a better idea 13:51:59 ... and a better discussion 13:52:36 zakim, close up item 3 13:52:36 I don't understand 'close up item 3', christos 13:52:44 zakim, mute me 13:52:44 Vivienne should now be muted 13:52:46 zakim, close item 3 13:52:46 agendum 3, Alternate Weekly Research - Accreditation of websites for, closed 13:52:48 I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 13:52:48 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper] 13:52:55 zakim, take up item 4 13:52:55 agendum 4. "Symposia Timeline http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Symposium_Timeline_Calculator" taken up [from sharper] 13:53:30 sh: next thing I'd like to discuss is the timeline calculator 13:54:08 sh: I have added what we expect on each point 13:54:12 q+ to say need to review more closely 13:54:26 sh: any comments? 13:54:26 ack shad 13:54:26 shadi, you wanted to say need to review more closely 13:54:58 saz: I plan to review during august and send comments 13:55:17 sh: anybody else who wants to suggest changes? 13:55:20 q+ 13:55:21 I had looked at it and didn't see any problems 13:55:25 zakim, who is making noise? 13:55:35 shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: sharper (46%) 13:55:46 I also don't see any problem with this 13:55:46 zakim, who is making noise? 13:55:57 shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: sharper (26%), Justin (4%) 13:56:22 I agree with Yeliz and Vivienne 13:56:33 ok 13:56:53 zakim, close item 4 13:56:55 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, christos 13:56:58 q- 13:57:03 zakim, take up item 5 13:57:03 agendum 5. "PENDING - Draft Charter Update " taken up [from shadi via sharper] 13:57:12 zakim, unmute me 13:57:12 annika should no longer be muted 13:57:47 +1 to annika's remark 13:57:49 q+ 13:58:24 annika: it might make sense to add a point betwen 0 and 10 weeks for the internal discussion on the note with the group 13:59:05 zakim, mute me 13:59:05 annika should now be muted 13:59:13 sh: I added that 14:00:10 saz: there are many views of the timeline... one for the editors... the authors... the group... 14:00:23 saz: maybe some clarification is needed there 14:00:55 saz: there is multidimensional look and might need to look into that 14:01:02 nope 14:01:04 +1 to shadi 14:01:18 zakim, who is making noise? 14:01:23 is that Christos typing? 14:01:27 no 14:01:29 shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: sharper (38%), Justin (40%) 14:01:40 its not me 14:01:48 i am yelling now.... 14:02:12 zakim, mute me 14:02:12 yeliz was already muted, yeliz 14:02:29 zakim, justin is yeliz.a 14:02:29 +yeliz.a; got it 14:02:30 zakim, mute justin 14:02:31 sorry, yeliz, I do not know which phone connection belongs to justin 14:02:37 zakim, yeliz is justin 14:02:37 +justin; got it 14:02:45 zakim, mute me 14:02:45 yeliz.a should now be muted 14:02:51 zakim, yeliz.a is yeliz 14:02:51 +yeliz; got it 14:02:58 can you hear me? 14:03:05 zakim, close item 5 14:03:05 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, christos 14:03:17 zakim. q? 14:03:18 zakim, take up item 6 14:03:18 agendum 6. "PENDING - Metrics W3C Note Status " taken up [from shadi via sharper] 14:03:53 agenda? 14:04:33 saz: the charter in general is going well... and we should maybe look at some comments we got back 14:05:04 saz: We need to have a look at the comments that are more generic 14:05:47 saz: i.e. there is a focus on testing on WAI so we might need to see the charter again there... 14:06:15 sh: what abou the metrics note 14:06:51 saz: i wasn't able to get to it... we receved some comments but i believe we are close to publication 14:07:21 saz: I think the next publications will not take that long.. 14:07:42 zakim, close item 6 14:07:42 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, christos 14:07:50 zakim, take up item 7 14:07:50 agendum 7. "PENDING - Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week " taken up [from shadi via sharper] 14:08:09 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2012/mobile/note/ED-mobile.html 14:08:33 sh: shadi you are going to review the content we made changes last week so we can go public next week 14:09:30 saz: I just need to look at some issues with teh links closer... i do need to look at the changes to make sure you addressed my comments 14:09:33 I will be happy to release it soon 14:09:35 :) 14:09:39 zakim, close item 7 14:09:39 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, christos 14:09:49 zakim take up item 8 14:09:51 I am worried that the discussion might be outdated by the time it is released 14:09:52 :) 14:09:53 zakim, take up item 8 14:09:53 agendum 8. "PENDING - Easy to Read W3C Note Status " taken up [from klaus via sharper] 14:10:02 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2013Jul/0047.html 14:10:14 We are in ongoing work and try in the moment to consolidate all 14:10:14 comments received so far, especially Shadi´s hints on what should (or 14:10:14 should not) be part of this research report (e.g a description of what 14:10:15 easy to read or plain language IS and is able to facilitate - even if 14:10:15 this issue was a clear prerequisite for all contributions and audience 14:10:15 before we started with the symposium) and whether the papers should take 14:10:15 space within the final report (even if they are linked and available as 14:10:16 full text online) or not - just to put some examples. 14:10:16 So we keep you updated and work is going on but we will clearly need 14:10:16 some more time to have the next stable version ready to present. 14:10:27 sh: the comments from annika and kerstin are pasted... 14:11:34 zakim, close item 8 14:11:34 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, christos 14:12:01 zakim, take up item 10 14:12:01 agendum 10. "PENDING - User Modelling W3C Note Status" taken up [from yehya/christos via sharper] 14:12:12 zakim, ack me 14:12:12 unmuting christos 14:12:13 I see shadi on the speaker queue 14:12:27 scribe: shadi 14:12:37 Christos: just back from vacation 14:12:50 ...working on cleaning up transcript 14:13:06 ...hope to be done by today then send to Yehya for further reveiw 14:13:16 ...hope to have ready later this week 14:13:33 s/annika and kerstin/andrea and kerstin/ 14:13:35 zakim, mute me 14:13:35 christos should now be muted 14:13:35 ...will also discuss with Yehya when we can have the draft ready 14:13:38 ack shad 14:13:46 scribe: christos 14:13:55 zakim, q? 14:13:55 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:14:07 zakim, close item 10 14:14:07 agendum 10, PENDING - User Modelling W3C Note Status, closed 14:14:08 I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:14:08 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper] 14:14:14 zakim, take up item 11 14:14:14 agendum 11. "PENDING - Close the Loop on the symposium L&F" taken up [from shadi via sharper] 14:14:56 saz: I think there were a few minor bugs needed fixing... 14:15:18 saz: i hope we can have it ready as soon as possible to start using it... 14:15:49 zakim, close item 11 14:15:49 agendum 11, PENDING - Close the Loop on the symposium L&F, closed 14:15:50 I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:15:50 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper] 14:16:03 zakim, take up item 12 14:16:03 agendum 12. "REPEATING - Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/" taken up [from sharper] 14:16:21 sh: any other business? 14:16:56 saz: we do expect people that will be away but the list is still alive and keep track of our discussion on the list 14:17:09 ... so that we can take up on september 14:17:53 ack me 14:17:53 zakim, ack me 14:17:54 Looking forward to research meetings 14:17:55 unmuting christos 14:17:55 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:17:59 Have a nice summer! 14:18:01 I wish great holidays in August 14:18:02 :) 14:18:02 cya 14:18:06 byee 14:18:09 bye all 14:18:10 -justin 14:18:13 goodbye all 14:18:23 ok 14:18:26 thanks simon 14:18:29 bye bye 14:18:29 -Vivienne 14:18:31 -yeliz 14:18:33 -christos 14:18:33 -annika 14:18:36 -Shadi 14:18:37 -sharper 14:18:51 -silvia_mirri 14:18:52 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended 14:18:52 Attendees were Vivienne, christos, annika, Shadi, sharper, silvia_mirri, justin, yeliz 14:50:04 trackbot, end meeting 14:50:04 Zakim, list attendees 14:50:04 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 14:50:12 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:50:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/31-rd-minutes.html trackbot 14:50:13 RRSAgent, bye 14:50:13 I see no action items