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17:01:59 <trackbot> Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
17:01:59 <trackbot> Date: 25 July 2013
17:01:59 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM already started
17:02:08 <JeniT> Scribe: Jeni Tennison
17:02:14 <JeniT> ScribeNick: JeniT
17:02:23 <JeniT> Chair: Peter Linss
17:02:43 <JeniT> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TAG/Planning/2013-07-25-TC
17:05:09 <Zakim> +Yves
17:07:34 <timbl> Zakim, who is making noise?
17:07:45 <Zakim> timbl, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: plinss (19%), dka (36%)
17:07:56 <JeniT> Regrets: Henry Thompson
17:09:22 <Zakim> + +1.415.254.aaaa
17:09:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:10:38 <JeniT> plinss: we'll go round the room
17:10:49 <JeniT> plinss: slightlyoff, do we have minutes from the other week?
17:10:57 <JeniT> slightlyoff: I'll get them in, sorry
17:11:02 <plinss> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:11:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see TimBL, plinss, dka, JeniT, Yves, slightlyoff, marcosc
17:12:06 <JeniT> plinss: no work on github syncing, but set up repo for website redesign
17:12:47 <JeniT> dka: updated actions, outreach to web apps WG (Chaals) very receptive to collaborative session around Promises
17:13:09 <JeniT> ... we're starting to get a reputation for the TAG being the place to go to ask for guidance on the use of Promises
17:13:15 <JeniT> ... which we wanted
17:13:18 <marcosc> +q
17:13:30 <JeniT> ... we discussed doing a F2F meet up with Art when meeting in Boston
17:13:50 <JeniT> ... I'm going to follow up with Art & hope for a good session then
17:14:00 <JeniT> ... don't think we want to do anything before Boston, but open to suggestions
17:14:06 <JeniT> ... next F2F is sooner than we think
17:14:30 <JeniT> marcosc: should we be dealing with the Promises stuff?
17:14:37 <plinss> ack next
17:14:43 <JeniT> ... or should we post to script-coord list?
17:14:54 <JeniT> slightlyoff: we should lay down neutral guidance
17:15:14 <JeniT> ... the crypto guys asked who should deal with it, can do it personally
17:15:32 <marcosc> https://github.com/w3ctag/promises-spec-text
17:15:35 <JeniT> marcosc: we're going to get more and more questions
17:15:47 <JeniT> slightlyoff: not next call but one after I will have something done in that area
17:16:19 <JeniT> dka: the other thing I've progressed is getting XX from YY to come in
17:16:41 <plinss> s/XX/Anssi/
17:16:41 <plinss> s/yy/intel/
17:16:57 <JeniT> ... tangentially, Larry & Ashok collaborated on a blog post
17:17:07 <marcosc> I've just updated the README.MD quickly https://github.com/w3ctag/promises-spec-text/blob/master/README.md
17:17:10 <dka> https://twitter.com/w3ctag/status/360077819939794945
17:17:14 <JeniT> ... I tweeted from the TAG account
17:17:25 <JeniT> ... it's a follow-on around the publishing & linking document
17:17:45 <JeniT> ... we're not going to do anything further, it's just a matter of amplifying
17:18:18 <JeniT> marcosc: I did a review of the orientation block API
17:18:25 <JeniT> ... ended up rewriting parts of the spec
17:18:33 <JeniT> ... worked with XX to get changes integrated
17:18:52 <marcosc> https://github.com/w3ctag/spec-reviews/issues/7
17:18:56 <JeniT> ... some of the things still stand, particularly moving to Promises model
17:19:03 <JeniT> ... I'd appreciate further comment from TAG members
17:19:05 <Yves> you got a +1 from me ;)
17:19:06 <plinss> s/orientation block/orientation lock/
17:19:11 <JeniT> slightlyoff: I'll take a look at that this week
17:19:13 <Yves> apart from the 'should' part
17:19:28 <JeniT> marcosc: I might have a chance to push the changes before you take a look
17:19:32 <JeniT> ... it's a short spec
17:19:36 <JeniT> ... took me one hour
17:19:42 <JeniT> ... a review won't take long
17:20:18 <JeniT> slightlyoff: spent more time on web audio review
17:20:24 <JeniT> ... think the draft is good to go, want feedback
17:20:34 <JeniT> ... fielded request for review from XX
17:20:36 <dka> +1 to posting it to the public audio forum
17:20:54 <JeniT> ... to make sure things are in line & invite them to a call
17:21:05 <JeniT> ... at TC39 I'm going to try to broach the topic of TPAC
17:21:22 <JeniT> marcosc: it's great to see developers sending feedback on web audio
17:21:25 <dka> Agree
17:21:40 <JeniT> ... I saw people tweet about it too, which I think was really cool
17:21:50 <JeniT> slightlyoff: I'm excited about it too
17:22:07 <JeniT> ... but the longer it sits in our repo without sending it on, it could reflect badly
17:22:13 <JeniT> ... anyone opposed to sending it?
17:22:29 <JeniT> plinss: good to go
17:22:37 <marcosc> SHIP IT!!!!
17:22:37 <JeniT> ... send it
17:22:42 <Yves> +1
17:22:43 <JeniT> slightlyoff: I'll do that today
17:22:50 <JeniT> timbl: can we have a pointer for the minutes?
17:22:52 <plinss> https://github.com/w3ctag/spec-reviews/blob/master/2013/07/WebAudio.md
17:22:59 <dka> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Send the feedback Alex has drafted over to Web Audio working group (officially).
17:23:01 <timbl> "the somewhat liberal use of SHOULD in that spec is going to lead to user agents doing bad things" yes
17:23:13 <dka> RESOLUTION: Send the feedback Alex has drafted over to Web Audio working group (officially).
17:23:22 <JeniT> timbl: I haven't done a lot of TAG-related stuff
17:23:37 <JeniT> ... there have been discussions within W3C about dependencies between specs
17:23:43 <JeniT> ... the TAG might be asked to get involved
17:24:00 <JeniT> ... about whether one spec can move forward when a referenced spec doesn't
17:24:20 <JeniT> ... a guide about when it's a good idea and when not, an enumeration of different cases, could be useful
17:24:31 <JeniT> ... we might get pinged on that
17:24:44 <dka> on dependencies - I took ACTION-820 at some point but I have not followed up on it yet...
17:25:21 <JeniT> dka: I need to contact AB about this, is this something we should do?
17:25:26 <JeniT> ... should we be proactive?
17:25:59 <JeniT> timbl: I think it's good to say that we're willing to pick it up if we need to
17:26:47 <JeniT> Yves: I reviewed the marcosc review, which was good
17:27:00 <JeniT> ... for HTTP 2.0, I put my thoughts on the mailing list
17:27:14 <JeniT> ... it's another kind of serialisation and use of the network for HTTP 1.1
17:27:19 <JeniT> ... not different architecturally
17:27:29 <JeniT> ... the major change is the possibility of doing server push
17:27:58 <JeniT> ... which is defined in the spec as a way to send replies that contain additional resources
17:28:08 <JeniT> ... such as the icons/CSS related to a page
17:28:14 <JeniT> ... so the client doesn't have to request them
17:28:27 <JeniT> ... that's one thing in HTTP 2.0 that isn't in HTTP 1.1 and might have architectural implications
17:29:05 <JeniT> ... part of the HTTP effort was to look at being able to change the transport
17:29:19 <JeniT> ... HTTP 2.0 is built with that information from HTTPbis in mind
17:29:25 <dka> Somewhat relevant (as it involves SPDY and also the concept of split browsing which the TAG has touched on before) interesting to note Google's plans to implement network-based compression proxy for Chrome for IOS /Android - I blogged here: http://www.torgo.com/blog/2013/07/data-compression-proxy.html
17:29:26 <JeniT> ... so they can reference the relevant part of HTTPbis
17:29:43 <Zakim> -slightlyoff
17:29:55 <JeniT> ... for everything that's connection-related, like compression, it's just implementation detail
17:29:59 <JeniT> ... it doesn't change the semantic
17:30:32 <JeniT> dka: is there a reason to draft a document of feedback in the same way as we've done for WebAudio?
17:30:56 <JeniT> Yves: it's not feedback, but just what the differences are and what the implication is for architecture
17:31:04 <JeniT> ... what's the implication of being able to do push?
17:31:15 <JeniT> ... it's more a list for us
17:31:19 <JeniT> dka: what about a blog post?
17:31:22 <JeniT> Yves: I can do that
17:31:44 <dka> ACTION: Yves to write a blog post on http 2.0.
17:31:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-823 - Write a blog post on http 2.0. [on Yves Lafon - due 2013-08-01].
17:32:11 <dka> Jeni: I've asked Phil Archer to talk to the TAG ACTION-806 - he can make it next week.
17:32:58 <dka> DKA: Yes I think makes sense.
17:33:22 <dka> Jeni: I sent the draft around httpr***-** stuff...
17:33:44 <dka> Jeni: My aim for next week is to create an outline for capability URLs document.
17:34:41 <dka> DKA: Please ask Phil to post an intro to the TAG mailing list as well.
17:34:46 <JeniT> JeniT: sure
17:34:47 <dka> Jeni: Ok.
17:34:56 <slightlyoff> sorry to drop off the call
17:36:11 <JeniT> plinss: aob?
17:36:24 <JeniT> dka: is there anything we can do to accelerate the web design stuff?
17:36:33 <JeniT> ... should we investigate other options?
17:36:38 <slightlyoff> can anyone advise me on how/when we might be able to invite the Crypto folks to present?
17:36:41 <slightlyoff> 2 weeks from now?
17:36:52 <JeniT> plinss: other people?
17:36:55 <slightlyoff> do folks prefer that I work up feedback before or after?
17:37:17 <JeniT> ... we just need to decide what the page needs to contain
17:37:28 <JeniT> dka: shall we put that in a README in the github repo you created?
17:37:37 <JeniT> plinss: yes
17:38:00 <dka> ACTION: DKA to add some ideas to the tag-site-redesign readme file..
17:38:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-824 - Add some ideas to the tag-site-redesign readme file.. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2013-08-01].
17:38:26 <JeniT> plinss: ADJOURNED
17:38:30 <Zakim> -dka
17:38:34 <Zakim> -TimBL
17:38:35 <Zakim> -marcosc
17:38:35 <Zakim> -JeniT
17:38:38 <Zakim> -Yves
17:38:44 <Zakim> -plinss
17:38:46 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
17:38:46 <Zakim> Attendees were TimBL, plinss, dka, JeniT, Yves, +1.415.254.aaaa, slightlyoff, marcosc
17:38:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/25-tagmem-minutes.html JeniT
17:44:44 <slightlyoff> any help? plinss? dka?
17:44:59 <plinss> help with?
17:50:55 <slightlyoff> plinss: logistics/timing for inviting WebCrypto to present
17:51:21 <slightlyoff> should I just send mail introducing y'all and let you work out scheduling? or should I propose the call in 2 weeks?
17:52:24 <plinss> Go ahead and propose the call in 2 weeks, and also introduce us and we can handle scheduling if two weeks doesn't work
18:11:16 <slightlyoff> alrighty
18:11:20 <slightlyoff> thanks
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