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12:52:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
12:52:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
12:52:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference
12:52:41 <trackbot> Date: 24 July 2013
12:52:48 <olivier> zakim, this will be webtv1
12:52:48 <Zakim> ok, olivier; I see UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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13:02:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:02:44 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
13:02:44 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
13:02:53 <giuseppep> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:02:53 <Zakim> +giuseppep; got it
13:03:06 <giuseppep> zakim, who is on the line
13:03:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the line', giuseppep
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13:03:24 <giuseppep> zakim, who is here
13:03:24 <Zakim> giuseppep, you need to end that query with '?'
13:03:26 <giuseppep> zakim, who is here?
13:03:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bin_Hu, +1.818.406.aabb, giuseppep, olivier
13:03:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see CyrilRa, giuseppep, Bin_Hu, Zakim, RRSAgent, olivier, glenn, trackbot, timeless, sangwhan
13:03:43 <CyrilRa> zakim, aabb is me
13:03:43 <Zakim> +CyrilRa; got it
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13:06:01 <giuseppep> zakim, who is here?
13:06:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, giuseppep, olivier
13:06:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see Geun-Hyung_Kim, CyrilRa, giuseppep, Bin_Hu, Zakim, RRSAgent, olivier, glenn, trackbot, timeless, sangwhan
13:06:52 <olivier> Chair: Bin_Hu
13:06:59 <olivier> Scribe: olivier
13:07:06 <olivier> Bin: convening meeting
13:07:32 <olivier> ... we will continue discussing the use cases and deriving requirements, finishing work from our last teleconference
13:07:39 <olivier> ... we finished 7 use cases last time
13:07:46 <Zakim> + +31.23.556.aacc
13:08:06 <olivier> (Minutes of meeting - 2013-07-10 : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Jul/0010.html)
13:08:58 <olivier> giuseppep: suggests going through actions each time at beginning of call
13:09:18 <olivier> tracker -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/
13:09:32 <olivier> summary of action items -> http://www.w3.org/2013/07/10-webtv-minutes.html#ActionSummary
13:09:37 <Zakim> - +31.23.556.aacc
13:10:23 <giuseppep> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/products/7
13:10:54 <olivier> Bin reviews ACTION-118 http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/118
13:11:05 <olivier> giuseppep: suggesting closing this action
13:11:11 <olivier> ACTION-118 CLOSED
13:11:11 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-118 Share summary of the work of HNTF to APIs TF, suggest which current use cases have already been covered by past TFs and passed on to WGs.
13:11:32 <olivier> Bin: no other open AI in the tracker list
13:12:36 <olivier> Bin: should we ask group for approval of minutes?
13:12:54 <olivier> giuseppep: it depends. we can choose whether to send to public list and ask people to correct if needed
13:13:15 <olivier> ... or we can send to the member list only and ask for approva
13:13:23 <olivier> Bin_Hu: I am happy sticking to the current way
13:13:33 <olivier> ... send to public list and ask for any correction
13:13:35 <olivier> +1
13:14:02 <olivier> Topic: walk through Use Cases, derive Requirements
13:14:22 <olivier> Bin_Hu: let's continue to work on those use cases
13:14:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:14:45 <olivier> ... 2 download UCs have just been consolidated. UC8 and UC9 http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases
13:15:39 <olivier> Bin_Hu: reviews Use Case 8 - Download and Go
13:16:02 <giuseppep> zakim, who is making noise
13:16:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', giuseppep
13:16:04 <giuseppep> zakim, who is making noise?
13:16:17 <Zakim> giuseppep, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (90%)
13:16:31 <giuseppep> zakim, mute IPcaller
13:16:31 <Zakim> [IPcaller] should now be muted
13:16:32 <olivier> zakim, mute IPc
13:16:33 <Zakim> sorry, olivier, I do not know which phone connection belongs to IPc
13:16:35 <olivier> zakim, mute IPcaller
13:16:35 <Zakim> [IPcaller] was already muted, olivier
13:16:37 <Geun-Hyung_Kim> I am sorry,
13:16:41 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
13:17:08 <Geun-Hyung_Kim> My call may make a noise.
13:17:28 <olivier> Bin_Hu: the requirement is already summarized
13:17:48 <olivier> ... download, content protection, (local) storage, playback
13:18:25 <olivier> s/(local)/(local, offline)/
13:19:24 <olivier> [no comment]
13:20:48 <olivier> giuseppep: will have to check for consistency of style when we publish these
13:21:12 <olivier> olivier: yes, didn't do that yet since we are discussing style for requirements. Will have to do so when we merge the requirements indeed
13:21:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:22:16 <Geun-Hyung_Kim> yes
13:22:26 <Geun-Hyung_Kim> I have mute my call.
13:22:39 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is Geun-Hyung_Kim
13:22:39 <Zakim> +Geun-Hyung_Kim; got it
13:23:01 <olivier> Bin_Hu: reviewing Use Case Nine – Watch and Record
13:23:01 <giuseppep> zakim, IPcaller is Geun-Hyung
13:23:02 <Zakim> sorry, giuseppep, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
13:23:17 <giuseppep> zakim, [IPcaller] is Geun-Hyung
13:23:17 <Zakim> sorry, giuseppep, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
13:23:41 <olivier> Cyril: wondering why we would want local storage vs cloud DVR?
13:23:52 <olivier> ... or would it be in addition to a form of remote DVR?
13:24:15 <olivier> Bin_Hu: good question, I think this tries to address both
13:24:33 <olivier> s/DVR/PVR/
13:24:47 <olivier> giuseppep: "cloud PVR" is probably a different Use Case altogether
13:24:51 <olivier> ... matbe worth adding
13:25:18 <olivier> CyrilRa: in the case of Use Cases 8 and 9, I suspect content protection requirement would be higher
13:25:26 <olivier> ... would include duration, expiration etc
13:25:49 <olivier> q+
13:27:19 <olivier> olivier: I think the requirement from "offline" content protection is different from the "online" content protection, which is what's usually addressed
13:28:46 <olivier> ACTION: olivier to outline a requirement for offline content protection requirement based on UC8 and UC9
13:28:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-122 - Outline a requirement for offline content protection requirement based on UC8 and UC9 [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2013-07-31].
13:30:00 <olivier> Bin_Hu: suggest a quick look at historical Use Cases
13:30:14 <olivier> ... let's see if we can derive new requirements or close them
13:30:48 <olivier> Terminal Capability Use Cases -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Terminal
13:30:59 <olivier> Bin_Hu: looking at use case 1 "Channel"
13:31:26 <giuseppep> q'
13:31:33 <giuseppep> q+
13:33:13 <olivier> ack g
13:33:17 <olivier> q-
13:33:29 <olivier> giuseppep: I think this is basically UC6 and 7
13:33:52 <olivier> ... if we agree that this is the case, I do have a few comments on UC6/7
13:34:42 <olivier> [no objection]
13:34:59 <olivier> RESOLUTION: Terminal UC1 is similar to Media APIs UC 6/7
13:35:12 <olivier> giuseppep: comment on UC6/7
13:35:21 <olivier> ... use case mentions set top box
13:35:31 <olivier> ... but in general can be any kind of device with a tuner
13:35:44 <olivier> ... doesn't matter from the API's point of view
13:35:56 <olivier> ... use case seems too cable-TV specific
13:36:10 <olivier> ... suggest making it more generic
13:36:13 <olivier> +1
13:37:45 <olivier> ACTION: giuseppep to propose change to UC6/7 to make it more generic
13:37:45 <trackbot> Error finding 'giuseppep'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/users>.
13:37:53 <olivier> ACTION: giuseppe to propose change to UC6/7 to make it more generic
13:37:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-123 - Propose change to UC6/7 to make it more generic [on Giuseppe Pascale - due 2013-07-31].
13:38:15 <olivier> Bin_Hu: reviewing last Terminal Use Case - TV Application
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13:39:36 <olivier> Bin_Hu: comments?
13:40:06 <olivier> giuseppep: problem with the term "installed"
13:40:16 <olivier> ... no need to mention it
13:40:27 <olivier> ... unless it is the actual focus of the UC
13:41:33 <olivier> ... use case is not very generic
13:41:45 <olivier> ...maybe UC7 could be split
13:41:53 <olivier> ... would wait for the author to comment
13:42:41 <olivier> Bin_Hu: we can seek author's clarification for this UC and see if author agrees the essence of the requirement has already been captured
13:45:06 <olivier> ACTION: Sung Hei Kim to confirm whether Terminal Use Case on TV Applications are already covered in current UC document
13:45:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-124 - Hei Kim to confirm whether Terminal Use Case on TV Applications are already covered in current UC document [on Sung Hei Kim - due 2013-07-31].
13:46:27 <olivier> Bin_Hu: reviewing http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Metadata_Formats
13:46:40 <olivier> ... should ay of this be migrated
13:46:45 <Zakim> +Thomas_Bause_Mason
13:47:00 <olivier> giuseppep: haven't seen any use case related to metadata through, should there be?
13:47:10 <olivier> Bin_Hu: I agree
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13:47:40 <olivier> giuseppep: I assumed there were metadata-related use cases
13:47:43 <Sheau> Sorry, I was held up and couldn't join earlier.
13:48:07 <Sheau> zakim, who is on?
13:48:07 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Sheau.
13:48:11 <olivier> giuseppep: there are some metadata-related bits in current use cases, e.g. EPG metadata
13:48:58 <olivier> giuseppep: I can suggest some UCs
13:49:13 <olivier> ACTION: giuseppep to draft use cases related to metadata
13:49:13 <trackbot> Error finding 'giuseppep'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/users>.
13:49:19 <olivier> ACTION: giuseppe to draft use cases related to metadata
13:49:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - Draft use cases related to metadata [on Giuseppe Pascale - due 2013-07-31].
13:49:46 <olivier> Bin_Hu: also agree with Olivier that we can keep the list as it is, as a living reference
13:50:00 <olivier> ... and change the link from the main area of the wiki
13:50:31 <olivier> ACTION: Olivier to edit media apis wiki, change intro to the metadata reference list
13:50:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-126 - Edit media apis wiki, change intro to the metadata reference list [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2013-07-31].
13:51:03 <olivier> q+
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13:51:49 <giuseppep> olivier: not sure if we have enough UC and req. about content syncronization
13:51:58 <giuseppep> ... do we need to add more to what we have?
13:52:25 <giuseppep> q+
13:52:36 <olivier> q-
13:53:06 <olivier> ACTION: Sheau to review use cases and requirements document, see whether there is any need for more use cases related to content sync
13:53:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-127 - Review use cases and requirements document, see whether there is any need for more use cases related to content sync [on Sheau Ng - due 2013-07-31].
13:53:22 <giuseppep> q-
13:53:31 <olivier> giuseppep: given that this is vacation period, we should probably give people time to review the current work before finalizing it
13:54:06 <olivier> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:54:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/24-webtv-minutes.html olivier
13:55:00 <olivier> giuseppep: I suggest we give people guidelines on how to send feedback
13:55:10 <olivier> ... maybe make sure people send one e-mail per UC
13:55:17 <olivier> ... se we have clear e-mail threads
13:56:00 <olivier> Sheau: I also assume that when we move to requirement phase, that we should have a table
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13:56:27 <olivier> ... that may help us with completeness
13:56:46 <olivier> ... should be manageable in a small group
13:59:04 <olivier> Sheau: a visual cross-reference of all requirements against use cases
14:00:24 <olivier> ACTION: Sheau to draft table cross-referencing use cases and requirements
14:00:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-128 - Draft table cross-referencing use cases and requirements [on Sheau Ng - due 2013-07-31].
14:01:18 <giuseppep> giuseppe you can probably use a google doc, that easy to share
14:01:53 <olivier> ACTION: Bin to migrate requirements from UC 8 and 9 into requirements document
14:01:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-129 - Migrate requirements from UC 8 and 9 into requirements document [on Bin Hu - due 2013-07-31].
14:03:00 <olivier> there is an example of use cases / requirements cross ref table towards the bottom of this page : https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/audio/raw-file/b409a1ffc600/reqs/Overview.html
14:03:30 <olivier> giuseppep: I can help with creating the table in google docs so everyone can contribute
14:05:31 <olivier> [discussion on whether to adjourn, or whether there are other topics]
14:06:04 <olivier> Topic: Group logistics and next steps
14:06:26 <olivier> giuseppep: wondering if the teleconference arrangement works, seeing as not many people join the call and many need to drop after 60 minutes
14:06:39 <olivier> giuseppep: also wondering if we want to set milestones
14:06:50 <olivier> ... maybe aim to finish a first package for TPAC
14:07:30 <Zakim> -CyrilRa
14:07:44 <olivier> [the idea gets some support]
14:07:57 <Zakim> +CyrilRa
14:08:09 <olivier> giuseppep: then we should set a deadline on accepting use cases
14:09:22 <olivier> Sheau_: is the idea of sync between browser and non-browser out of scope?
14:09:29 <olivier> giuseppep: doesn't seem out of scope for me
14:09:40 <olivier> Sheau_: then I'd like to reserve time to work on a UC on this topic
14:09:58 <olivier> giuseppep: if we want to be done by TPAC, a deadline for Use Cases should be around September
14:10:35 <olivier> ACTION: giuseppe to suggest timeline for Media APIs next step
14:10:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-130 - Suggest timeline for Media APIs next step [on Giuseppe Pascale - due 2013-07-31].
14:10:46 <olivier> s/step/steps/
14:11:19 <olivier> [ADJOURNED]
14:11:32 <olivier> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:11:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/24-webtv-minutes.html olivier
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14:11:44 <Zakim> -olivier
14:11:46 <Zakim> -Bin_Hu
14:11:46 <Zakim> -Geun-Hyung_Kim
14:11:48 <Zakim> -giuseppep
14:12:36 <Zakim> -CyrilRa
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