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13:43:22 <kaz> Meeting: MMI Workshop - Day2
13:44:45 <kaz> topic: Discussion of next steps
13:45:07 <kaz> topic: Discovery and registration of components (Raj Tumuluri for Helena)
13:45:18 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/07/mmi/slides/Rodriguez.pdf slides
13:45:37 <kaz> sheau: question on WG's activity
13:46:08 <kaz> dahl,jim,raj,kaz: explains
13:46:14 <kaz> @@@figure
13:46:43 <kaz> wy: question on the difference between WG and IG/BG/CG
13:47:07 <kaz> kaz: explains that only WGs can generate W3C Rec track document
13:47:07 <kaz> @@@figure
13:47:21 <kaz> topic: Future EMMA use cases (Michael Johnston)
13:48:30 <kaz> s/@@@figure/@@@relationship-between-groups@@@/
13:48:42 <kaz> s/@@@figure/@@@w3c-groups@@@/
13:48:51 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:49:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:49:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/23-multimodal-minutes.html kaz
13:58:07 <kaz> slides TBD
14:01:08 <kaz> wy: user biometrics?
14:01:46 <kaz> michaelJ: EMMA payload could be biometrics information
14:02:08 <kaz> ... are there things we can do to make it more useful?
14:02:24 <kaz> s/are there/the question is if there are/
14:02:40 <kaz> ... speech rec results and biometrics info can be packed
14:03:19 <kaz> wy: relationship with OASIS's work?
14:04:08 <kaz> ddahl: would like to see the other specifications on biometrics and think about compatibility with them
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14:06:08 <kaz> michaelJ: ideally IM should concentrate on dialog management but should not handle concrete data
14:06:35 <kaz> wy: think there might be some clarification by OASIS
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14:34:08 <kaz> topic: MMI.next (Kazuyuki Ashimura)
14:34:17 <kaz> kaz: mentions menlo park model and secure vault
14:34:35 <kaz> ... and then explains some idea on MMI.next
14:34:49 <kaz> ... MMI over WebSocket library
14:35:08 <kaz> ... and realtime connection between IM and MCs
14:35:24 <kaz> sheau: three IMs?
14:35:46 <kaz> ddahl: WebSocket connection?
14:36:08 <kaz> kaz: 30 time faster than polling
14:36:20 <kaz> topic: TV Anywhere
14:36:39 <kaz> @@@: presents slides
14:37:41 <kaz> ... MVPD or DVD
14:37:49 <kaz> ... Netflix, Amazon, etc.
14:38:23 <kaz> ... multiple devices and multiple services
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14:38:50 <kaz> ... authentication and authorization by third party
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14:39:08 <kaz> s/@@@/peter/
14:39:33 <kaz> s/Anywhere/Anywhere - Peter from NBCUniversal/
14:40:08 <kaz> ... many scenarios
14:41:52 <kaz> ... consumer may use more than one services
14:43:17 <kaz> kaz: question on quality of content
14:43:52 <kaz> ... can I watch updated clearer (e.g., HD remastered) version of a movie if I have a contract on low resolution version?
14:44:27 <kaz> peter: don't think any clear consistency
14:45:25 <kaz> sheau: consumer may have contracts with several providers, e.g., Netflix and hulu
14:46:16 <kaz> ... service is on-demand basis
14:47:11 <bevcorwin> And integration of free, open content like YouTube? Self publishers of content?
15:06:08 <kaz> topic: Breakout sessions on selected new directions
15:06:18 <kaz> topic: Preliminary discussion
15:06:29 <kaz> ddahl: interested topics?
15:07:11 <kaz> - Service Discovery
15:07:29 <kaz> - Specific Industry Snapshots (Use Cases)
15:08:13 <kaz> - Related Standards (FIDO, ECHONET Lite)
15:08:51 <kaz> - Output
15:09:39 <kaz> - Timing - Cross-device, Time zones
15:10:12 <kaz> - HTML5 Integration
15:11:08 <kaz> - Streaming
15:13:25 <kaz> s|Service|Service/Device|
15:14:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:16:05 <kaz> s/Standards/Standards such as Biometrics/
15:17:27 <kaz> topic: Prioritization
15:19:41 <kaz> - Service/Device Discovery: 9
15:19:42 <kaz> - Specific Industry Snapshots (Use Cases): 5
15:19:42 <kaz> - Related Standards (FIDO, ECHONET Lite): 3
15:19:42 <kaz> - Output: 7
15:19:42 <kaz> - Timing - Cross-device, Time zones: 4
15:19:42 <kaz> - HTML5 Integration: 9
15:19:44 <kaz> - Streaming: 5
15:20:08 <kaz> ddahl: Let's start with "Service Discovery"
15:20:12 <kaz> topic: Service Discovery
15:20:35 <kaz> ddahl: the MMI WG published a WG Note on discovery
15:21:47 <kaz> ... public information like flight info at airports...
15:22:08 <kaz> jim: walking around within home and devices follow us
15:31:08 <kaz> s|Service|Service/Devices|
15:35:25 <kaz> Use Cases:
15:35:41 <kaz> - Devices become part of group in work place
15:35:47 <kaz> - Second screen
15:35:51 <kaz> - Sensors
15:36:08 <kaz> - Medical devices
15:41:37 <kaz> Requirements for Service Discovery:
15:42:05 <kaz> - Very transient services
15:42:08 <kaz> Publishing capabilities
15:42:19 <kaz> - Publisher/Subscriber model
15:43:17 <kaz> - Semantic matching
15:46:05 <kaz> - Capability, Availability, Privilege
15:46:08 <kaz> - Web/Cloud service discovery
15:47:19 <kaz> - Is there a service discovery module?
15:48:03 <kaz> - Service discovery on top of device discovery
15:50:45 <kaz> - Clarify device vs service discovery
15:52:22 <kaz> - Role of Web Service Description Language (WSDL)
15:52:37 <kaz> - Clarify API vs Capability description
15:56:08 <kaz> - Brokering/Privilege
16:02:20 <kaz> - User-initiated vs App-initiated
16:02:28 <kaz> - Semantic Web services
16:08:08 <kaz> - We can't define APIs or capabilities but we can define where to go (like DNS)
16:14:28 <kaz> - Need to coordinate with other groups wrking on Device APIs
16:14:48 <kaz> - Relation to Web Intents
16:15:05 <kaz> - Role of registry?
16:15:08 <kaz> s/Intents/Intents?/
16:15:26 <kaz> s/registry/registry service/
16:16:08 <kaz> - Look at DLNA and ECHONET
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16:17:29 <kaz> - IPTV document
16:20:08 <kaz> - Web&TV IG Home Network TF, Media APIs TF - should coordinate
16:23:24 <kaz> ddahl: who is interested?
16:23:38 <kaz> - Raj, Ram, Kaz
16:24:08 <kaz> - Sheau (need to check about possible IP issue)
16:26:52 <kaz> How to move forward?
16:27:16 <kaz> - Joint task force between the MMI WG and the Web&TV IG
16:27:29 <kaz> s/Joint/Possible joint/
16:28:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:29:16 <kaz> ddahl: good discussion on discovery
16:29:38 <kaz> ... will talk about the other topics after lunch
16:29:45 <kaz> [group photo]
16:29:48 <kaz> [lunch]
17:23:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:43:22 <dadahl> topic: html5 integration
17:47:53 <dadahl> kaz: use cases
17:48:00 <dadahl> kaz: second screen
17:48:21 <dadahl> debbie: voice-enabled personal assistant
17:48:29 <dadahl> myra: connected TV
17:48:54 <dadahl> ram: browser that takes multiple inputs
17:49:36 <dadahl> ...input from other modalities, like cameras
17:50:06 <dadahl> jimB: this is a specific case of the general problem of getting html5 how to be a modality component
17:50:23 <dadahl> s/how to/to
17:50:30 <dadahl> scribe:dadahl
17:51:47 <dadahl> debbie: what if the browser contains the interaction manager?
17:54:05 <dadahl> sheau: synchronizing across html browsers across different devices
17:54:21 <dadahl> debbie: also synchronizing with non-html displays
17:55:51 <dadahl> masao: compatibility between html5 and Echonet
17:56:29 <dadahl> jimB: in contact centers we have the problem of shared browsers, sort of works, but is proprietary
17:56:51 <dadahl> sheau: our use cases require millisecond coordination
17:57:02 <dadahl> kaz: this also gets into timing issues
17:57:37 <dadahl> ...also processing order issues
17:59:35 <dadahl> debbie: sometimes you would need really fast communication between the client and the server, so Web Sockets is a good protocol for that
18:00:46 <dadahl> debbie: fast communication is necessary for games
18:01:40 <dadahl> kaz: sports games, like soccer
18:01:58 <dadahl> debbie: what if it takes 5 seconds to kick?
18:02:49 <dadahl> Myra: found Ajax better than Web Sockets because of scalability and firewalls, has Web Sockets improved in those areas?
18:03:22 <dadahl> ram: we have used Web Sockets in some of our implementations
18:04:10 <dadahl> ...challenge is getting html gui to get adequate performance without taking up too much cpu
18:04:23 <dadahl> ...html 5 is still not there
18:04:51 <dadahl> ...javascript is still too slow even with Web Sockets
18:05:37 <dadahl> ... no state machine tools for html5, need to use native tools
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18:06:19 <dadahl> kaz: like Java or C
18:06:59 <dadahl> rrsagent, format minutes
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18:08:32 <dadahl> kaz: how to make it easy for web developers to use MMI life-cycle events?
18:09:30 <dadahl> ...and SCXML
18:09:54 <dadahl> ...some developers prefer to use Javascript
18:10:23 <dadahl> ram: some Javascript frameworks have UI binding
18:11:01 <dadahl> sheau: if someone has UML, can that be turned into SCXML?
18:11:56 <dadahl> jimB: if you have a state machine, yes, but not directly from a class diagram. we tried to stick to the UML semantics in designing SCXML
18:12:46 <dadahl> amy: could you go to classes from SCXML
18:13:11 <dadahl> jimB: you would lose some information that way because SCXML is more detailed
18:14:10 <dadahl> ...you could go from UML to SCXML, you could also take SCXML and turn it into UML, but couldn't guarantee that it would be the same SCXML
18:14:25 <dadahl> ...the UML would just be a visualization tool
18:15:11 <dadahl> kaz: next steps or action items?
18:15:29 <dadahl> ...Javascript libraries
18:15:56 <dadahl> ...there is some work going on in the Japanese chapter
18:16:17 <dadahl> jimB: what could we do with the HTML5 WG and what could we do on our own?
18:16:50 <dadahl> debbie: we could provide pointers to open source libraries
18:18:23 <dadahl> jimB: SCXML is open source
18:19:06 <dadahl> debbie: could provide the mmi library and the emma library from my demo yesterday
18:19:49 <dadahl> raj: Cueme libraries
18:20:26 <dadahl> debbie: put together a web page on the MMI website listing resources
18:21:18 <dadahl> action: kazuyuki to put together a page of resources for mmi
18:21:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-347 - Put together a page of resources for mmi [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2013-07-30].
18:22:37 <dadahl> craig: iSpeech would probably be interested but need to find someone more on the technical side
18:24:12 <dadahl> debbie: if we could get the web page together by August 18 I could talk about it during my SpeechTEK session.
18:24:59 <dadahl> topic: wrapup
18:25:40 <dadahl> kaz: the original point of this workshop was to highlight W3C standards, especially MMI standards
18:26:50 <dadahl> ...the highest priority was service discovery, also html5 integration, related standards, output, and timing, maybe the MMI Working Group can publish some WG Notes
18:27:06 <dadahl> ...also bring some requirements to EMMA and MMI Architecture
18:27:39 <dadahl> ... there is a possibility to create a new business group
18:28:07 <dadahl> debbie: what would be the topic?
18:29:10 <dadahl> kaz: service discovery, industry use cases, related standards, timing issues
18:29:27 <dadahl> sheau: the BG would focus on generating requirements
18:30:09 <dadahl> debbie: industrial requirements for multimodal interaction could be a name
18:30:27 <dadahl> sheau: this would be independent of the WG?
18:30:36 <dadahl> jimB: yes
18:31:03 <dadahl> amy: industry-driven requirements for MMI interaction
18:31:43 <dadahl> debbie: what is the process for a BG?
18:32:43 <dadahl> kaz: (reviews W3C Patent Policy)
18:35:03 <dadahl> ...business group procedure is a bit different -- the IP commitment is made by each person
18:35:49 <dadahl> ...because the BG doesn't create any Recommendation-track document
18:35:57 <dadahl> s/document/documents
18:36:40 <dadahl> kaz: a WG starts with a charter
18:37:19 <dadahl> kaz: a BG doesn't necessarily start with a charter, it might just describe some topics of interest
18:38:26 <dadahl> kaz: need at least 5 companies to start a BG
18:40:07 <dadahl> ...non-member companies can join a BG, but you have to pay a BG group fee
18:41:49 <dadahl> ...small companies pay $2000, large company pays $10,000 and individual pays $300 (only for non-member companies)
18:51:10 <dadahl> (some discussion of Patent Policy) the upshot is to consult lawyers before joining BG if concerned
18:52:02 <dadahl> kaz: more webinars?
18:53:58 <dadahl> debbie: more webinars on technical topics, service discovery would be a good topic
18:54:22 <dadahl> raj: should invite industry experts
18:55:53 <dadahl> sheau: have many perspectives, could also invite Web and TV IG people
18:56:37 <dadahl> kaz: joint meeting with MMI and Web and TV at upcoming TPAC meeting
18:57:58 <dadahl> ram: would be interested in participating in service discovery webinar
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18:58:59 <dadahl> debbie: everyone should join the MMI public list
19:00:33 <dadahl> action:raj to organize webinar on service registration and discovery for mmi applications
19:01:06 <dadahl> action: raj to organize webinar on service registration and discovery for mmi applications
19:01:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-348 - Organize webinar on service registration and discovery for mmi applications [on Raj Tumuluri - due 2013-07-30].
19:02:39 <dadahl> action: kaz to send information about subscribing to mailing list
19:02:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-349 - Send information about subscribing to mailing list [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2013-07-30].
19:04:30 <dadahl> amy: is there a way to reduce the fee for pre-revenue companies?
19:05:10 <dadahl> debbie: there is also the idea of a community group, which is free
19:05:58 <dadahl> kaz: that is possible
19:06:37 <dadahl> kaz: thanks everyone
19:06:43 <dadahl> rrsagent, format minutes
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