13:51:59 RRSAgent has joined #tt 13:51:59 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-tt-irc 13:52:01 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:52:01 Zakim has joined #tt 13:52:03 Zakim, this will be TTML 13:52:03 ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes 13:52:04 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 13:52:04 Date: 18 July 2013 13:55:11 SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has now started 13:55:18 +??P3 13:55:27 zakim, ??p3 is me 13:55:27 +glenn_; got it 13:59:38 Sean has joined #tt 14:02:16 mike has joined #tt 14:02:53 + +1.858.847.aaaa 14:03:01 zakim, aaaa is me 14:03:01 + +44.118.900.aabb 14:03:01 +mike; got it 14:03:20 zakim, aabb is Sean 14:03:21 +Sean; got it 14:03:30 pal has joined #tt 14:04:36 tmichel has joined #tt 14:04:47 +[Adobe] 14:04:49 +pal 14:05:29 mijordan has joined #tt 14:05:46 zakim, [Adobe] has mijordan 14:05:46 +mijordan; got it 14:05:59 scribenick: glenn_ 14:06:07 chair: Sean 14:06:30 Topic: Review Action Items 14:06:58 tbause has joined #tt 14:07:00 zakim, who's noisy? 14:07:11 glenn_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: glenn_ (24%), Sean (76%) 14:07:37 ACTION-41? 14:07:37 ACTION-41 -- Sean Hayes to aCTION: Sean to start the Note on how to use TTML with HTML5/CSS [recorded in ]http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-ttml-minutes.html#action03] -- due 2012-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:07:37 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/41 14:07:39 +Thomas_Bause_Mason 14:08:11 close ACTION-41 14:08:11 Closed ACTION-41 ACTION: Sean to start the Note on how to use TTML with HTML5/CSS [recorded in ]http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-ttml-minutes.html#action03]. 14:08:16 I am trying to call ... 14:08:46 ACTION-55? 14:08:46 ACTION-55 -- Glenn Adams to work with plh to create accessible schema -- due 2012-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:08:46 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/55 14:09:30 +??P36 14:09:49 zakim, ??P36 is me 14:09:49 +tmichel; got it 14:10:28 close ACTION-55 14:10:28 Closed ACTION-55 Work with plh to create accessible schema. 14:10:58 ACTION-69? 14:10:58 ACTION-69 -- Glenn Adams to investigate correctness of 9.3.3 (7) w.r.t. XSL-FO semantics, and report back to WG -- due 2012-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:10:58 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/69 14:11:53 close ACTION-69 14:11:53 Closed ACTION-69 Investigate correctness of 9.3.3 (7) w.r.t. XSL-FO semantics, and report back to WG. 14:12:03 ACTION-72? 14:12:03 ACTION-72 -- Glenn Adams to implement proposed changes from ACTION-68 into 9.3.2 of 1.0 2nd Ed. -- due 2012-06-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:12:03 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/72 14:12:54 close ACTION-72 14:12:54 Closed ACTION-72 Implement proposed changes from ACTION-68 into 9.3.2 of 1.0 2nd Ed.. 14:13:01 ACTION-73? 14:13:01 ACTION-73 -- Sean Hayes to incorporate result of ACTION-71 into CP http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002 -- due 2012-07-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:13:01 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/73 14:13:32 close ACTION-73 14:13:32 Closed ACTION-73 Incorporate result of ACTION-71 into CP http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002. 14:13:41 zakim, who's noisy? 14:13:45 zakim, who's noisy? 14:13:51 glenn_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: glenn_ (36%), tmichel (10%) 14:13:58 zakim, mute tmichel 14:14:00 tmichel should now be muted 14:14:02 Sean, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: glenn_ (39%), Sean (44%), tmichel (39%) 14:15:35 ACTION-75? 14:15:35 ACTION-75 -- Glenn Adams to determine best approach to refer to external xml.xsd per action 60; may need to deal with xml:id separately -- due 2012-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:15:35 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/75 14:19:09 plh has joined #tt 14:22:06 xml.xsd authoriotative link is: www.w3.org/2001/xml.xsd 14:22:13 Action glenn to update local copy of xml.xsd to use newer copy based on above link. 14:22:13 Created ACTION-177 - Update local copy of xml.xsd to use newer copy based on above link. [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-07-25]. 14:22:25 close ACTION-75 14:22:25 Closed ACTION-75 Determine best approach to refer to external xml.xsd per action 60; may need to deal with xml:id separately. 14:22:42 ACTION-76? 14:22:42 ACTION-76 -- Glenn Adams to incorporate results from action 56 into 1.1 -- due 2012-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:22:42 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/76 14:23:26 close ACTION-76 14:23:26 Closed ACTION-76 Incorporate results from action 56 into 1.1. 14:23:30 ACTION-77? 14:23:30 ACTION-77 -- Glenn Adams to incorporate results from endsync resolution per action 52 into 1.0 2ed -- due 2012-07-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:23:30 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/77 14:24:00 close ACTION-77 14:24:00 Closed ACTION-77 Incorporate results from endsync resolution per action 52 into 1.0 2ed. 14:24:21 ACTION-83? 14:24:21 ACTION-83 -- Glenn Adams to draft proposal or spec text for ISSUE-174 (canonical concrete syntax for TTML) -- due 2012-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:24:21 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/83 14:31:45 Action sean to open new issue(s) describing problems with concrete encoding. 14:31:45 Created ACTION-178 - Open new issue(s) describing problems with concrete encoding. [on Sean Hayes - due 2013-07-25]. 14:32:01 close ACTION-83 14:32:01 Closed ACTION-83 Draft proposal or spec text for ISSUE-174 (canonical concrete syntax for TTML). 14:33:32 ACTION-92? 14:33:32 ACTION-92 -- Glenn Adams to integrate http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001 to TTML 1.1. -- due 2012-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:33:32 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/92 14:34:14 close ACTION-92 14:34:14 Closed ACTION-92 Integrate http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001 to TTML 1.1.. 14:34:39 ACTION-109? 14:34:40 ACTION-109 -- Mike Dolan to provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE. -- due 2012-10-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:34:40 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/109 14:35:02 close ACTION-109 14:35:02 Closed ACTION-109 Provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE.. 14:35:16 ACTION-130? 14:35:16 ACTION-130 -- Sean Hayes to provide example with screen shot to the list for Issue-189 for TTML 1.0 SE portion. -- due 2012-11-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:35:16 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/130 14:35:33 close ACTION-130 14:35:34 Closed ACTION-130 Provide example with screen shot to the list for Issue-189 for TTML 1.0 SE portion.. 14:35:52 ACTION-132? 14:35:52 ACTION-132 -- Glenn Adams to create an Annex on using of XML wire encoding in TTML 1.0 SE. -- due 2012-12-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:35:52 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/132 14:36:33 close ACTION-132 14:36:34 Closed ACTION-132 Create an Annex on using of XML wire encoding in TTML 1.0 SE.. 14:36:38 ACTION-135? 14:36:38 ACTION-135 -- Sean Hayes to create an issue on set element re: transformation between TTML file and synchronic documents. Sean to investigate. -- due 2013-01-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:36:38 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/135 14:37:14 close ACTION-135 14:37:14 Closed ACTION-135 Create an issue on set element re: transformation between TTML file and synchronic documents. Sean to investigate.. 14:37:37 ACTION-136? 14:37:37 ACTION-136 -- Glenn Adams to integrate changes from Action-133 into the TTML 1.0 Second Edition -- due 2013-01-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:37:37 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/136 14:38:31 close ACTION-136 14:38:31 Closed ACTION-136 Integrate changes from Action-133 into the TTML 1.0 Second Edition. 14:40:27 plh: can you initiate the IANA Media Type registration process for TTML10SE (ACTION-88)? 14:41:17 plh: it would be useful to do this as part of the PER review period, in case they wish to propose changes in Appendix C 14:42:14 action Sean to follow up with plh on ACTION-88 14:42:14 Created ACTION-179 - Follow up with plh on ACTION-88 [on Sean Hayes - due 2013-07-25]. 14:42:48 ACTION-140? 14:42:48 ACTION-140 -- Glenn Adams to implement proposal Method#1 in TTML 1.0 SE and this resolves any blocking change in SDP-US. -- due 2013-02-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:42:48 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/140 14:43:28 close ACTION-140 14:43:28 Closed ACTION-140 Implement proposal Method#1 in TTML 1.0 SE and this resolves any blocking change in SDP-US.. 14:43:45 ACTION-142? 14:43:45 ACTION-142 -- Glenn Adams to remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas. -- due 2013-02-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:43:45 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/142 14:43:51 close ACTION-142 14:43:51 Closed ACTION-142 Remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas.. 14:43:57 ACTION-146? 14:43:57 ACTION-146 -- Glenn Adams to add prohibited value for feature definitions -- due 2013-08-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:43:57 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/146 14:44:35 close ACTION-146 14:44:35 Closed ACTION-146 add prohibited value for feature definitions. 14:44:43 ACTION-148? 14:44:43 ACTION-148 -- Glenn Adams to clarify cell units as Sean specified in TTWG Meeting Feb 21. -- due 2013-02-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:44:43 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/148 14:45:05 close ACTION-148 14:45:05 Closed ACTION-148 Clarify cell units as Sean specified in TTWG Meeting Feb 21.. 14:45:17 ACTION-152? 14:45:17 ACTION-152 -- Glenn Adams to add set element semantics to 9.3.3 -- due 2013-04-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:45:17 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/152 14:45:37 close ACTION-133 14:45:37 Closed ACTION-133 Create updated template and summary of media type record for Glenn.. 14:46:55 close ACTION-152 14:46:55 Closed ACTION-152 Add set element semantics to 9.3.3. 14:47:07 ACTION-155? 14:47:07 ACTION-155 -- Glenn Adams to add note under textOutline indicating that length is interpreted only along bpd -- due 2013-05-09 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:47:07 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/155 14:48:30 close ACTION-155 14:48:30 Closed ACTION-155 Add note under textOutline indicating that length is interpreted only along bpd. 14:48:44 ACTION-157? 14:48:45 ACTION-157 -- Glenn Adams to restore dedication sentence in acknowledgments section -- due 2013-05-09 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:48:45 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/157 14:48:50 close ACTION-157 14:48:50 Closed ACTION-157 Restore dedication sentence in acknowledgments section. 14:48:56 ACTION-160? 14:48:56 ACTION-160 -- Glenn Adams to check 10REC errata to make sure addressed -- due 2013-05-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:48:56 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/160 14:49:37 glenn, I did initiate the media type registration last week 14:49:44 close ACTION-160 14:49:44 Closed ACTION-160 Check 10REC errata to make sure addressed. 14:49:46 I even gave the link to the status page 14:50:00 plh: ok, thanks 14:50:37 welcome 14:50:48 ACTION-161? 14:50:48 ACTION-161 -- Glenn Adams to update change log document for SE changes -- due 2013-05-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:50:48 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/161 14:51:49 Action glenn to ensure that 10REC errata page is cleared after 10SE is published as REC. 14:51:49 Created ACTION-180 - Ensure that 10REC errata page is cleared after 10SE is published as REC. [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-07-25]. 14:53:39 close ACTION-161 14:53:39 Closed ACTION-161 Update change log document for SE changes. 14:54:02 ACTION-162? 14:54:02 ACTION-162 -- Glenn Adams to fix XML Doc problem with superfluous anchor elements -- due 2013-05-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:54:02 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/162 14:54:47 close ACTION-162 14:54:47 Closed ACTION-162 Fix XML Doc problem with superfluous anchor elements. 14:55:01 ACTION-170? 14:55:01 ACTION-170 -- Glenn Adams to create issue to remove "(in pixels)" from new definition of computed cell size -- due 2013-07-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:55:01 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/170 14:56:25 glenn: re: ACTION-170, the proposed change was effected in the 10SE ED, so no need to create an issue, action can be closed 14:56:30 close ACTION-170 14:56:30 Closed ACTION-170 Create issue to remove "(in pixels)" from new definition of computed cell size. 14:56:33 ACTION-171? 14:56:33 ACTION-171 -- Glenn Adams to add note to PER in 9.1.2 that regions may appear outside root container region -- due 2013-07-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:56:33 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/171 14:57:12 close ACTION-171 14:57:12 Closed ACTION-171 Add note to PER in 9.1.2 that regions may appear outside root container region. 14:57:15 ACTION-175? 14:57:15 ACTION-175 -- Glenn Adams to create new issue to cover third paragraph in original ISSUE-180 text -- due 2013-07-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:57:15 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/175 14:57:38 close ACTION-175 14:57:38 Closed ACTION-175 Create new issue to cover third paragraph in original ISSUE-180 text. 14:58:31 Topic: Active Change Proposals 15:02:07 glenn: during process of incorporating CPs into spec, expects to make technical changes as required 15:02:24 glenn: subject to discussion and review by WG once drafted 15:03:22 http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002 15:03:38 mike: asks about 'holes' w anonymous regions 15:04:52 glenn: intends to express CP2 in terms of using anonymous regions that most cleanly integrate into the current algorithms defined in 8.4 Style Resolution and 9.3 Region Layout and Presentation 15:08:14 glenn: the goal in my mind for using anonymous regions is to support CP2 while making the fewest substantive changes to 8.4 and 9.3 15:08:47 RESOLVE: implement CP2 in 1.1 ED mutatis mutandis 15:09:40 http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal005 15:20:23 -pal 15:20:24 RESOLVE: implement CP5 in 1.1 ED mutatis mutandis 15:20:52 Pierre to draft some introductory text 15:21:13 +pal 15:22:11 Action pal to draft prologue text treating differences between having two normative rendering models. 15:22:12 Created ACTION-181 - Draft prologue text treating differences between having two normative rendering models. [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2013-07-25]. 15:26:37 http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal006 15:27:21 RESOLVED: to create separate spec for TTML APIs 15:27:25 proposed text for ACTION-181: """In addition to describing the semantics of TTML style presentation in terms of the model in [XSL 1.1], this specification provides a mapping of TTML documents to [HTML 5]. The two representations ([XSL 1.1] and [HTML 5]) of a given document are intended to be visually equivalent unless otherwise noted.""" 15:27:44 RESOLVED: for sean to be the initial editor of this new TTML APIs spec 15:28:02 close ACTION-181 15:28:02 Closed ACTION-181 Draft prologue text treating differences between having two normative rendering models.. 15:28:36 RESOLVE: implement CP6 in new TTML APIs spec 15:29:07 -[Adobe] 15:29:56 http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015 15:30:58 sean: CP15 aggregates a number of proposed style additions 15:33:44 glenn: notes that margin may not work on inlines 15:34:03 -Thomas_Bause_Mason 15:36:57 glenn: suggests border apply to content elements as well 15:38:13 glenn: for line stacking strategy, need to review what semantics CSS provides in this area 15:39:17 glenn: for region anchor points, not sure want to overload origin/extent 15:40:21 sean: TTML should support all of t,l,r,b and w/h independently, dealing with over/under constraints as needed 15:42:46 glenn: thinks we should retain textOutline, mapping to CSS text-shadow, then we also add textShadow 15:45:05 glenn: notes that on region could also be used instead of "auto" shrink fit 15:46:29 RESOLVE: implement CP15 in 1.1ED mutatis mutandis 15:48:21 Topic: Version # for TTML.next 15:50:14 glenn: 2[.0] or 1.1? 15:50:35 pal: 2 may cause some readers to believe there are non-backward compatible changes 15:51:09 mike: .X doesn't have defined semantics, likes whole integers 15:51:55 sean: 1.1 already in place, and some potential expectations to produce a small increment (more quickly) and a larger increment (less quickly) 15:52:10 sean: can defer this decision, at least up to FPWD time 15:53:59 http://www.w3.org/Submission/2013/SUBM-ttml-ww-profiles-20130607/#bib-TTML2 15:57:43 RESOLVE: use TTML2 (not 2.0) 15:58:26 glenn: propose "ttml2" 15:59:26 zakim, unmute me 15:59:26 tmichel should no longer be muted 15:59:28 q+ 15:59:28 RESOLVE: request "ttml2" short name 16:00:39 tmichel: agrees that ttml2 short name is good, and can set up link to current 1.0 using a ttml1 short name 16:01:19 Action tmichel to create ttml2 and ttml1 short names, to change tracker product labels as needed 16:01:19 Created ACTION-182 - Create ttml2 and ttml1 short names, to change tracker product labels as needed [on Thierry Michel - due 2013-07-25]. 16:01:33 Topic: Member Submission from Movie Labs 16:01:54 pal: notes submission at http://www.w3.org/Submission/2013/SUBM-ttml-ww-profiles-20130607/ 16:02:08 sean: will add this to next week's agenda 16:03:36 Topic: TPAC 16:03:42 sean: folks should register 16:04:02 -pal 16:04:04 -mike 16:04:04 pal: would like to focus work on Monday at TPAC since Tuesday overlaps with Web&TV IG 16:04:07 -Sean 16:04:10 -tmichel 16:04:38 action, sean t o work with philippe on tpac schedule 16:04:42 rrsagent, publish minutes 16:04:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-tt-minutes.html glenn_ 16:05:00 Action sean to work with plh on TPAC schedule. 16:05:00 Created ACTION-183 - Work with plh on TPAC schedule. [on Sean Hayes - due 2013-07-25]. 16:05:12 rrsagent, publish minutes 16:05:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-tt-minutes.html glenn_ 16:05:21 trackbot, end meeting 16:05:21 Zakim, list attendees 16:05:21 As of this point the attendees have been glenn_, +1.858.847.aaaa, +44.118.900.aabb, mike, Sean, pal, mijordan, Thomas_Bause_Mason, tmichel 16:05:29 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 16:05:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-tt-minutes.html trackbot 16:05:30 RRSAgent, bye 16:05:30 I see no action items