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15:01:25 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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15:01:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:01:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:01:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:01:30 <trackbot> Date: 18 July 2013
15:01:42 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Jul/0018.html
15:01:49 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:01:53 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:01:58 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:02:10 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft miinutes
15:02:10 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft miinutes', aphillip.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:02:21 <aphillip> rrsagent, that's finnish
15:02:21 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'that's finnish', aphillip.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:02:25 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:02:31 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:02:31 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:02:33 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
15:02:33 <Zakim> +Richard
15:02:55 <Zakim> + +1.617.245.aaaa
15:02:56 <Zakim> +aphillip
15:03:09 <aphillip> zakim, +1.617 is JcK
15:03:09 <Zakim> +JcK; got it
15:03:25 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR
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15:03:35 <aphillip> agenda+ Bytestring in Web IDL
15:03:52 <aphillip> agenda+ CSS counter styles
15:04:00 <aphillip> agenda+ Charmod (and friends)
15:04:07 <Zakim> + +44.141.888.aabb
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15:04:23 <aphillip> agenda+ Bidi
15:04:32 <aphillip> agenda?
15:04:36 <DavidClarke> Zakim, +44 is me
15:04:38 <Zakim> +DavidClarke; got it
15:04:44 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:04:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, JcK, aphillip, DavidClarke
15:04:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see matial, DavidClarke, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, trackbot
15:05:58 <Zakim> +??P10
15:06:11 <matial> zakim, ??p10 is me
15:06:11 <Zakim> +matial; got it
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15:06:52 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:07:01 <Zakim> +Norbert
15:07:19 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:07:56 <aphillip> close ACTION-215
15:07:56 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-215 Double-check that all .prep items are gone to html5.
15:08:26 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:08:32 <aphillip> close ACTION-234
15:08:32 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-234 Ping Mark Davis asking if Google can get statistics on <bdo> usage.
15:08:56 <aphillip> close ACTION-236
15:08:56 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-236 Trackerize Shapes and write to www-style to ask about rtlflip and writing-modes.
15:09:45 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:11:09 <aphillip> addison: on vacation next two teleconferences
15:12:26 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:12:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:12:32 <aphillip> agenda?
15:12:45 <aphillip> richard: rewriting tests
15:12:51 <aphillip> ... which will someday be a Good Thing
15:13:01 <aphillip> ... submitted first set to HTML test repo
15:13:08 <aphillip> ... got lots of comments back
15:13:19 <aphillip> ... so had to rewrite i18n test framework
15:13:25 <aphillip> ... been implementing
15:13:33 <aphillip> ... tests will all say the same thing
15:13:43 <aphillip> ... but the script behind them will look different
15:13:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:14:18 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:14:18 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR" taken up [from aphillip]
15:14:28 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
15:14:52 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-css-fonts-3-20130711/
15:15:00 <aphillip> shepherd needed
15:15:27 <aphillip> addison to shepherd
15:16:09 <aphillip> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/templates/index.html
15:16:21 <aphillip> that's a last call closing on 23 July
15:16:57 <aphillip> norbert will take a look
15:17:21 <aphillip> agenda?
15:17:31 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:17:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Bytestring in Web IDL" taken up [from aphillip]
15:17:53 <aphillip> Norbert: was looking at WebIDL
15:17:56 <Norbert> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-script-coord/2013JulSep/thread.html#msg56
15:18:06 <aphillip> ... and started discussion thread at above link
15:18:48 <aphillip> Norbert: found an interface called bytestring
15:18:52 <Norbert> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#idl-ByteString
15:19:05 <aphillip> Norbert: it's a weird type for capturing a string a bytes
15:19:13 <Norbert> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#idl-ByteString
15:19:20 <aphillip> ... and comes with default conversion to JS String
15:19:26 <aphillip> ... and depends on ISO 8859-1
15:19:43 <aphillip> ... can't specify other encodings
15:19:50 <aphillip> ... XHR was source
15:20:04 <aphillip> ... and byte mapping to chars of same value
15:20:22 <aphillip> ... spreads the use of Latin-1 to new specs???
15:20:28 <aphillip> Norbert: started discussion
15:20:41 <aphillip> ... can't remove from XHR (legacy reasions)
15:20:50 <aphillip> ... but could remove from IDL spec
15:20:59 <aphillip> s/reasions/reasons/
15:21:18 <aphillip> Norbert: new spec called Fetch wants to expose just bytes
15:21:48 <aphillip> JcK: every place I look at bytestring in combo with chars
15:22:06 <aphillip> ... feels like deeper into a hole
15:23:01 <aphillip> ... continued use of datatype is a Bad Thing
15:33:42 <aphillip> ACTION: Norbert: produce one-pager summary of WebIDL Bytestring and alternatives for consideration by WG
15:33:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-241 - Produce one-pager summary of WebIDL Bytestring and alternatives for consideration by WG [on Norbert Lindenberg - due 2013-07-25].
15:33:55 <aphillip> agenda?
15:34:08 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:34:08 <Zakim> agendum 3. "CSS counter styles" taken up [from aphillip]
15:34:45 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Jul/0016.html
15:35:05 <aphillip> (*) The document contains a reference to a list of non-normative but  ready-to-use counter definitions maintained by the I18N WG. (Also useful  as examples of what counter styles look like.)
15:35:37 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/counter-styles/
15:36:08 <aphillip> richard: mean to publish FPWD out for review
15:36:21 <aphillip> ... few things recommended while I was in Japan
15:36:27 <aphillip> ... need to dig out those comments
15:37:07 <aphillip> chair: please indicate desire (or opposition) to publishing this document as FPWD
15:37:10 <aphillip> addison: +1
15:37:25 <r12a> +1 (of course)
15:37:28 <Norbert> +1
15:37:29 <DavidClarke> +1
15:37:56 <aphillip> Norbert: can we get rid of all the red coloring in the document?
15:38:18 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: publish FPWD of counter-styles WG Note
15:38:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-242 - Publish FPWD of counter-styles WG Note [on Richard Ishida - due 2013-07-25].
15:38:57 <aphillip> addison: who wants to shepherd counter-styles (the CSS document)?
15:39:15 <aphillip> richard to shepherd
15:39:27 <aphillip> agenda?
15:39:54 <aphillip> richard: will get rid of red coloring
15:40:04 <aphillip> ... Tab suggested reducing length of lines
15:40:17 <aphillip> ... but if wrapped it's harder to see
15:41:21 <aphillip> ... the relationships
15:41:45 <aphillip> JcK: printing and other devices might not look so good
15:44:05 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:44:32 <aphillip> richard: doing an article about what's going on in I18N activity
15:44:46 <aphillip> ... "Around the WWW in 80 Seconds"
15:45:21 <aphillip> ... tell me if there are things to mention
15:45:50 <aphillip> agenda?
15:46:15 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:46:15 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Charmod (and friends)" taken up [from aphillip]
15:46:31 <aphillip> - edit session: when - PRECIS http://tools.ietf.org/wg/precis/
15:47:45 <aphillip> edit session at Unicode conference
15:47:54 <aphillip> and do an online one first
15:48:52 <aphillip> target late august
15:49:48 <aphillip> Preparation and Comparison of Internationalized Strings (Active WG)
15:50:00 <aphillip> JcK: following it some
15:50:17 <aphillip> ... moving down the path of one protocol == one set of rules
15:50:31 <aphillip> ... possibly different rules (many of them for many protocols)
15:53:16 <aphillip> addison: should agree on vocabulary and definitions
15:54:17 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: remind everyone to read PRECIS documents for discussion of charmod-norm
15:54:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-243 - Remind everyone to read PRECIS documents for discussion of charmod-norm [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-07-25].
15:55:17 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: write to the PRECIS list pointing out similarity of activity and need/desire to get similar definitions/recommendations where it makes sense
15:55:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-244 - Write to the PRECIS list pointing out similarity of activity and need/desire to get similar definitions/recommendations where it makes sense [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-07-25].
15:55:38 <aphillip> agenda?
15:56:18 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:56:18 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Bidi" taken up [from aphillip]
15:56:38 <aphillip> mati: submitted to ICU support for UBA added features
15:56:48 <aphillip> ... hope that's in next release?
15:57:03 <aphillip> ... bracket pairing, etc.
15:57:34 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:57:41 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:57:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:58:26 <Zakim> -JcK
15:58:28 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:58:30 <Zakim> -matial
15:58:31 <Zakim> -Norbert
15:58:36 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
15:58:36 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
15:58:37 <Zakim> -Richard
15:59:19 <Zakim> -DavidClarke
15:59:20 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
15:59:20 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, +1.617.245.aaaa, aphillip, JcK, +44.141.888.aabb, DavidClarke, matial, Norbert
16:01:26 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:01:28 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:01:28 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:01:55 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:01:55 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:01:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Norbert: produce one-pager summary of WebIDL Bytestring and alternatives for consideration by WG [1]
16:01:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-irc#T15-33-42
16:01:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: publish FPWD of counter-styles WG Note [2]
16:01:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-irc#T15-38-18
16:01:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: remind everyone to read PRECIS documents for discussion of charmod-norm [3]
16:01:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-irc#T15-54-17
16:01:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to the PRECIS list pointing out similarity of activity and need/desire to get similar definitions/recommendations where it makes sense [4]
16:01:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-i18n-irc#T15-55-17