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19:49:59 <jamesn> zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
19:50:00 <Zakim> ok, jamesn; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
19:50:15 <jamesn> Meeting: HTML5 & ARIA techniques TF
19:50:22 <jamesn> chair: James_Nurthen
19:50:28 <jamesn> rrsagent, make log world
19:50:34 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
19:50:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
20:00:08 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
20:00:15 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
20:00:48 <jamesn> agenda+ https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/18July2013/results
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20:03:05 <Zakim> +[Google]
20:03:27 <jamesn> regrets+ Adam, Detlev
20:04:41 <Zakim> + +1.254.247.aaaa
20:04:55 <jamesn> zakim, aaaa is Paul_Adam
20:04:55 <Zakim> +Paul_Adam; got it
20:05:12 <Zakim> +??P4
20:05:14 <Zakim> -??P4
20:05:32 <Zakim> +??P4
20:05:33 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P4 is Michael_Cooper
20:05:34 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
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20:05:53 <MichaelC> zakim, Google is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:05:53 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it
20:06:52 <Loretta> scribenick: Loretta
20:07:04 <jamesn> zakim, take up item 1
20:07:04 <Zakim> agendum 1. "https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/18July2013/results" taken up [from jamesn]
20:07:26 <jamesn> 1. Using aria-labelledby for link purpose
20:07:57 <Loretta> Lots of comments on example 2.
20:08:20 <Zakim> -Paul_Adam
20:09:07 <pauljadam> my sound went out I"m guessing
20:09:09 <pauljadam> brb
20:10:14 <Zakim> +Paul_Adam
20:13:07 <jamesn> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/gg701963%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#Accessible_HTML_Elements
20:16:10 <Loretta> Including this document as a reference, and fixing up text to direct people there for more details about the IE quirks wrt the accessibility tree.
20:21:43 <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_name_controls
20:22:58 <Loretta> What to do with the discussion of using label when possible? Not relevant for links. Moving to Using aria-labelledby to name controls.
20:34:28 <Loretta> Remove first sentence of test procedure.
20:34:51 <Loretta> Moving this technique to "Ready for WG Review"
20:38:24 <Loretta> 2. ARIA-edit: F68: Failure of Success Criterion 1.3.1 and 4.1.2 due to the association of label and user interface controls not being programmatically determinable
20:39:02 <Loretta> Discussion of improved support for implicit labels. See reference to Steve Faulkner's article.
20:39:38 <Loretta> Action item: Paul to test whether this design pattern is supported by AT.
20:41:16 <pauljadam> http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/form-labels.html
20:45:52 <Loretta> Adding appropriate aria techniques for fixing this failure to the resource section.
20:48:05 <Loretta> Making test procedure more generic, per Michael's comments.
20:55:20 <Loretta> Only keep first code sample of Failure 2 if Paul's testing doesn't show that implicit labels are accessibility supported.
20:57:42 <Loretta> Note: change the language in H44 to mtach the language of F68.
20:58:50 <jamesn> zakim, please part
20:58:50 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were James_Nurthen, +1.254.247.aaaa, Paul_Adam, Michael_Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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20:59:04 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
20:59:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn