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12:31:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:31:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start now
12:31:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:31:31 <trackbot> Date: 17 July 2013
12:31:47 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:31:47 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:31:48 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:31:49 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:32:47 <Sinarmaya_> Sinarmaya_ has joined #er
12:33:21 <Zakim> +??P6
12:33:53 <Zakim> +??P7
12:34:39 <carlos> carlos has joined #er
12:35:11 <Zakim> +??P8
12:35:34 <shadi> zakim, ??p6 is PhilipA
12:35:34 <Zakim> +PhilipA; got it
12:35:47 <shadi> zakim, ??p7 Sinarmaya_
12:35:47 <Zakim> I don't understand '??p7 Sinarmaya_', shadi
12:35:53 <shadi> zakim, ??p7 is Sinarmaya_
12:35:53 <Zakim> +Sinarmaya_; got it
12:35:58 <shadi> zakim, ??p8 is carlos
12:35:58 <Zakim> +carlos; got it
12:36:19 <shadi> regrets: Christoph, Samuel
12:36:59 <shadi> Topic: Updated AERT
12:37:10 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/WD-AERT/ED-AERT
12:38:19 <shadi> http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FER%2FWD-AERT%2FED-AERT20130625&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FER%2FWD-AERT%2FED-AERT20130718
12:38:26 <shadi> scribe: shadi
12:38:39 <shadi> CV: did updates according to previous discussion
12:38:46 <shadi> ...updated references
12:39:30 <shadi> ...added two new sections, 2.3 and 2.4
12:40:48 <shadi> ...would like feedback on 1.3, then section 2
12:40:48 <Zakim> +??P9
12:41:08 <Zakim> -PhilipA
12:41:47 <PhilipA> zakim, ??p9 is PhilipA
12:41:47 <Zakim> +PhilipA; got it
12:42:48 <shadi> SAZ: is 1.3 "complementary resources" or rather "background reading"?
12:43:13 <shadi> ...also not sure if 1.2 is needed
12:43:13 <shadi> CV: can remove it
12:45:17 <shadi> SAZ: important to set the tone and frame the document in the abstract and introduction
12:45:29 <shadi> ...but the subsections of the introduction can be done later
12:46:50 <shadi> zakim, mute Sinarmaya_
12:46:50 <Zakim> Sinarmaya_ should now be muted
12:48:14 <shadi> SAZ: wondering if it is too verbose?
12:49:17 <samuelm> samuelm has joined #er
12:49:45 <shadi> ...maybe start with adding all the features with a sentence each, then come back to expand the sections?
12:50:07 <Zakim> +??P6
12:50:25 <shadi> zakim, ??p6 is samuelm
12:50:25 <Zakim> +samuelm; got it
12:50:28 <shadi> ack Sinarmaya_
12:50:34 <samuelm> Zakim, ??P6 is me
12:50:34 <Zakim> I already had ??P6 as samuelm, samuelm
12:52:57 <Sinarmaya_> I have a comment about the 2.2, I think that the typical difference is betwen  "propietary" and open source, not about commercial and open source.
12:53:13 <shadi> SAZ: think the correct term "proprietary" rather than "commercial" (vs "open source")
12:53:49 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/WD-AERT/ED-requirements
12:54:06 <Sinarmaya_> An example can be the TAW 1.0 that have had a crawler, but was not commercial.
12:54:29 <shadi> [[
12:54:30 <shadi>     ability to crawl big web sites or portals
12:54:30 <shadi>     types of web technologies handled by the tool, for instance HTML markup, stylesheets, PDF documents, Flash applications, multimedia, etc.
12:54:30 <shadi>     ability to integrate dynamic content generated via scripting (dynamic modification of the Document Object Model according to the user interaction with the application, etc.)
12:54:31 <shadi>     support for testing APIs like the WebDriver API, for instance
12:54:32 <shadi>     support for standard reporting languages like EARL
12:54:34 <shadi>     support for different accessibility compliance environments in different countries
12:54:36 <shadi>     integration in the web development workflow as a plug-in add-on in different Integrated Development Environments (open source or commercial)
12:54:39 <shadi>     multilinguality and internationalization
12:54:41 <shadi>     etc.
12:54:43 <shadi> ]]
12:55:48 <Sinarmaya_> support for manual review and report generation
12:57:13 <shadi> SAZ: think start by listing them, then about how to organize them
12:57:15 <shadi> CV: yes, clusters will emerge
12:57:38 <samuelm> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2013Feb/0011.html
12:58:34 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/selectingtools.html
12:59:15 <samuelm> (there was also a followup discussion in the thread I just linked)
13:03:05 <Zakim> +??P10
13:04:01 <Sinarmaya_> agree
13:06:08 <Zakim> -??P10
13:06:55 <Sinarmaya_> Maybe this reference have sense: http://www.w3.org/WAI/Policy/harmon.html
13:07:25 <Zakim> +??P10
13:07:42 <Sinarmaya_> and this one: http://www.w3.org/WAI/impl/pol.html
13:08:10 <shadi> SAZ: think "compliance environments" (aka "configurability of checks") is separate from "localization / internationalization"
13:09:31 <shadi> SM: should not confuse users by saying that policies can be different
13:09:54 <shadi> ...but rather that checks can be configured flexibly
13:11:56 <Zakim> +??P11
13:15:05 <Zakim> -??P11
13:15:19 <Zakim> +??P11
13:17:37 <Sinarmaya_> +1 for requirements ;-)
13:18:24 <Zakim> -??P11
13:18:39 <Zakim> +??P11
13:19:49 <shadi> SM: classify features according to
13:20:00 <shadi> ...1. what is evaluated
13:20:16 <shadi> ...2. what can be configured
13:20:25 <shadi> ...3. how is it presented
13:20:43 <shadi> ...might be good to think along the lines of these dimensions
13:20:57 <shadi> ...there may be other dimensions too
13:21:13 <Zakim> +??P13
13:21:31 <samuelm> sections 2.1, 2.2 and 2.4 fall into the group of what is evaluated
13:23:31 <shadi> Topic: Next Meeting
13:23:46 <shadi> next meeting: 24 July 2013
13:23:55 <Sinarmaya_> bye :)
13:24:12 <samuelm> http://dsai2013.utad.pt/
13:28:15 <Zakim> -PhilipA
13:28:17 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:28:17 <Zakim> -Sinarmaya_
13:28:18 <Zakim> -samuelm
13:28:23 <PhilipA> PhilipA has left #er
13:28:26 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:28:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see carlos, ??P10, ??P11, ??P13
13:28:32 <shadi> zakim, drop ??p10
13:28:32 <Zakim> ??P10 is being disconnected
13:28:34 <Zakim> -??P10
13:28:35 <shadi> zakim, drop ??p11
13:28:35 <Zakim> ??P11 is being disconnected
13:28:36 <shadi> zakim, drop ??p13
13:28:36 <Zakim> -??P11
13:28:36 <Zakim> ??P13 is being disconnected
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13:28:42 <Sinarmaya_> Sinarmaya_ has left #er
13:28:42 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:28:42 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:28:42 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, PhilipA, Sinarmaya_, carlos, samuelm
13:28:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:28:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/17-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:28:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:28:51 <RRSAgent> I see no action items