IRC log of er on 2013-07-17

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Zakim, this will be 3794
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start now
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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 17 July 2013
12:31:47 [shadi]
zakim, call shadi-617
12:31:47 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; the call is being made
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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+Shadi
12:32:47 [Sinarmaya_]
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+??P6
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+??P7
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+??P8
12:35:34 [shadi]
zakim, ??p6 is PhilipA
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+PhilipA; got it
12:35:47 [shadi]
zakim, ??p7 Sinarmaya_
12:35:47 [Zakim]
I don't understand '??p7 Sinarmaya_', shadi
12:35:53 [shadi]
zakim, ??p7 is Sinarmaya_
12:35:53 [Zakim]
+Sinarmaya_; got it
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zakim, ??p8 is carlos
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+carlos; got it
12:36:19 [shadi]
regrets: Christoph, Samuel
12:36:59 [shadi]
Topic: Updated AERT
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/WD-AERT/ED-AERT
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http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FER%2FWD-AERT%2FED-AERT20130625&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FER%2FWD-AERT%2FED-AERT20130718
12:38:26 [shadi]
scribe: shadi
12:38:39 [shadi]
CV: did updates according to previous discussion
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...updated references
12:39:30 [shadi]
...added two new sections, 2.3 and 2.4
12:40:48 [shadi]
...would like feedback on 1.3, then section 2
12:40:48 [Zakim]
+??P9
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-PhilipA
12:41:47 [PhilipA]
zakim, ??p9 is PhilipA
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+PhilipA; got it
12:42:48 [shadi]
SAZ: is 1.3 "complementary resources" or rather "background reading"?
12:43:13 [shadi]
...also not sure if 1.2 is needed
12:43:13 [shadi]
CV: can remove it
12:45:17 [shadi]
SAZ: important to set the tone and frame the document in the abstract and introduction
12:45:29 [shadi]
...but the subsections of the introduction can be done later
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zakim, mute Sinarmaya_
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Sinarmaya_ should now be muted
12:48:14 [shadi]
SAZ: wondering if it is too verbose?
12:49:17 [samuelm]
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12:49:45 [shadi]
...maybe start with adding all the features with a sentence each, then come back to expand the sections?
12:50:07 [Zakim]
+??P6
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zakim, ??p6 is samuelm
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+samuelm; got it
12:50:28 [shadi]
ack Sinarmaya_
12:50:34 [samuelm]
Zakim, ??P6 is me
12:50:34 [Zakim]
I already had ??P6 as samuelm, samuelm
12:52:57 [Sinarmaya_]
I have a comment about the 2.2, I think that the typical difference is betwen "propietary" and open source, not about commercial and open source.
12:53:13 [shadi]
SAZ: think the correct term "proprietary" rather than "commercial" (vs "open source")
12:53:49 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/WD-AERT/ED-requirements
12:54:06 [Sinarmaya_]
An example can be the TAW 1.0 that have had a crawler, but was not commercial.
12:54:29 [shadi]
[[
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ability to crawl big web sites or portals
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types of web technologies handled by the tool, for instance HTML markup, stylesheets, PDF documents, Flash applications, multimedia, etc.
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ability to integrate dynamic content generated via scripting (dynamic modification of the Document Object Model according to the user interaction with the application, etc.)
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support for testing APIs like the WebDriver API, for instance
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support for standard reporting languages like EARL
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support for different accessibility compliance environments in different countries
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integration in the web development workflow as a plug-in add-on in different Integrated Development Environments (open source or commercial)
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multilinguality and internationalization
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etc.
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]]
12:55:48 [Sinarmaya_]
support for manual review and report generation
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SAZ: think start by listing them, then about how to organize them
12:57:15 [shadi]
CV: yes, clusters will emerge
12:57:38 [samuelm]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2013Feb/0011.html
12:58:34 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/selectingtools.html
12:59:15 [samuelm]
(there was also a followup discussion in the thread I just linked)
13:03:05 [Zakim]
+??P10
13:04:01 [Sinarmaya_]
agree
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-??P10
13:06:55 [Sinarmaya_]
Maybe this reference have sense: http://www.w3.org/WAI/Policy/harmon.html
13:07:25 [Zakim]
+??P10
13:07:42 [Sinarmaya_]
and this one: http://www.w3.org/WAI/impl/pol.html
13:08:10 [shadi]
SAZ: think "compliance environments" (aka "configurability of checks") is separate from "localization / internationalization"
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SM: should not confuse users by saying that policies can be different
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...but rather that checks can be configured flexibly
13:11:56 [Zakim]
+??P11
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-??P11
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+??P11
13:17:37 [Sinarmaya_]
+1 for requirements ;-)
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-??P11
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+??P11
13:19:49 [shadi]
SM: classify features according to
13:20:00 [shadi]
...1. what is evaluated
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...2. what can be configured
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...3. how is it presented
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...might be good to think along the lines of these dimensions
13:20:57 [shadi]
...there may be other dimensions too
13:21:13 [Zakim]
+??P13
13:21:31 [samuelm]
sections 2.1, 2.2 and 2.4 fall into the group of what is evaluated
13:23:31 [shadi]
Topic: Next Meeting
13:23:46 [shadi]
next meeting: 24 July 2013
13:23:55 [Sinarmaya_]
bye :)
13:24:12 [samuelm]
http://dsai2013.utad.pt/
13:28:15 [Zakim]
-PhilipA
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-Shadi
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-Sinarmaya_
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-samuelm
13:28:23 [PhilipA]
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13:28:26 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
13:28:26 [Zakim]
On the phone I see carlos, ??P10, ??P11, ??P13
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zakim, drop ??p10
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??P10 is being disconnected
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-??P10
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zakim, drop ??p11
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??P11 is being disconnected
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zakim, drop ??p13
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-??P11
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??P13 is being disconnected
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-??P13
13:28:42 [Sinarmaya_]
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
13:28:42 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, PhilipA, Sinarmaya_, carlos, samuelm
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/17-er-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items