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14:59:33 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:59:33 <trackbot> Date: 16 July 2013
14:59:55 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
14:59:56 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
15:00:02 <AWK> chair: Joshue O Connor
15:00:05 <Zakim> +??P4
15:00:18 <AWK> Zakim, Adobe is AWK
15:00:18 <Zakim> +AWK; got it
15:00:43 <MichaelC> regrets: Bruce_Bailey, Kathy_Wahlbin
15:00:54 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013JulSep/0018.html
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15:03:30 <MichaelC> zakim, Ipcaller is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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15:03:55 <korn> Zakim, aaaa is Peter_Korn
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15:03:55 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Peter_Korn
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15:07:36 <korn> Scribe Peter_Korn
15:07:42 <Joshue> ScribeNick: Peter Korn
15:07:54 <MichaelC> scribeNick: korn
15:08:43 <korn> Topic WCAG review of 'Using aria-describedby' technique
15:09:08 <MichaelC> s/Topic WCAG review of 'Using aria-describedby' technique/Topic: WCAG review of 'Using aria-describedby' technique/
15:10:00 <korn> q+
15:11:01 <Joshue> ack korn
15:11:15 <David> Programmatically associated  http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/content-structure-separation-programmatic.html
15:13:21 <AWK> q+
15:14:10 <AWK> The aria-describedby attribute provides a way to programmatically associate text that is on the page with an object such as an image.
15:15:33 <Joshue> ack awk
15:17:11 <AWK> q+
15:17:36 <Joshue> ack awk
15:17:58 <Loretta> q+
15:18:19 <David> q+
15:18:26 <Joshue> ack Loretta
15:19:12 <Joshue> ack david
15:21:10 <korn> Agreement to drop the sentence: "This is called a "programmatic association" in WCAG 2."
15:21:59 <korn> RESOLUTION: Drop the sentence "This is called a "programmatic association" in WCAG 2." from "Using aria-describedby" technique
15:24:01 <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
15:24:49 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:24:49 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:25:39 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
15:27:49 <AWK> Suggest: Using ARIA Describedby to provide descriptions of objects that can be read by assistive technology
15:33:03 <korn> RESOLUTION: Change the title of this technique to "Using ARIA Describedby to provide descriptions of objects"
15:36:21 <David> q+
15:36:24 <AWK> q+
15:36:49 <AWK> q+ to say that it seems like we might want a user agent note about this
15:37:13 <Joshue> ack David
15:37:51 <Loretta> q+
15:37:56 <Joshue> ack awk
15:37:56 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to say that it seems like we might want a user agent note about this
15:39:07 <Joshue> ack Loretta
15:40:24 <korn> q+
15:42:35 <korn> q-
15:44:47 <Loretta> q+
15:44:55 <Joshue> ack Lor
15:47:32 <AWK> s/regrets: Bruce_Bailey, Kathy_Wahlbin/regrets: Bruce_Bailey, Kathy_Wahlbin, Cherie
15:51:33 <David> http://wet-boew.github.io/wet-boew/demos/datepicker/datepicker-eng.html  no role= application
15:52:01 <AWK> q+ to suggest that Example 5 seems sufficiently complex and require extra explanation that perhaps we should remove it and then structure a different technique around using describedby in web apps and widgets
15:52:08 <Joshue> ack awk
15:52:08 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to suggest that Example 5 seems sufficiently complex and require extra explanation that perhaps we should remove it and then structure a different technique around
15:52:11 <Zakim> ... using describedby in web apps and widgets
15:56:36 <AWK> Proposal: Remove Example 5 and suggest the ARIA TF create a separate technique for describedby with role=application
15:57:37 <Loretta> We need a technique "providing keyboard access to widgets implemented with role=application.
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16:01:20 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:01:20 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:04:03 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn
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16:05:16 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
16:06:12 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: Remove Example 5 and suggest the ARIA TF create a separate technique for describedby with role=application
16:06:14 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:06:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
16:09:42 <MichaelC> s|ScribeNick: Peter Korn|Survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ARIATechs_June21_2013/results|
16:09:54 <MichaelC> s/Scribe Peter_Korn//
16:10:08 <MichaelC> s/scribeNick: korn/scribe: korn/
16:10:14 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:10:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
16:10:26 <David> q+
16:10:49 <David> separately
16:13:31 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: accept as amended
16:14:13 <Joshue> Scribe: Joshue
16:14:18 <MichaelC> topic: Instituational Memory https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120716_im/results
16:14:19 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
16:14:19 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:14:46 <AWK> On this call we covered the first item on this survey (https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ARIATechs_June21_2013/results).  Will address other items next week.
16:14:59 <Joshue> MC: The idea of this exercise, its that it is apparent that there was a lot of discussion on getting WCAG to the way it is.
16:15:27 <Joshue> MC: Due to turnover of people etc we have a lot of info that has been lost, many things need to be preserved.
16:15:42 <Joshue> MC: We therefore try to collect some of this knowledge before it disappears.
16:16:02 <Joshue> MC: Much of the detailed discussion isn't available partially due to WG scribing style.
16:16:43 <Joshue> MC: Theres a lot of info in peoples heads so we want to collect that as best we can. This is experimental, we don't know what will be effective.
16:17:00 <Joshue> MC: If we can collect the groups memories then this will be useful.
16:17:34 <Joshue> MC: This is an attemp to walk through the guidelines in an organised manner, this survey just asks 'What do you remember about x?'
16:17:47 <Joshue> MC: We are open to other ideas about how to do this, and if it's useful.
16:18:18 <Joshue> MC: We propose to limit discussion to a max of 30 mins per week. It may take a few months to get through but will help with future requirements gathering.
16:18:41 <Joshue> MC: Not many have filled in the survey - what do people think about this?
16:18:46 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
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16:19:04 <Joshue> AWK: I like the idea of doing this incrementally...
16:20:10 <Joshue> MC: Does anyone think this isn't a good use of time?
16:20:17 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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16:20:26 <Joshue> DMacD: Time is limited..
16:20:39 <Joshue> MC: Does anyone else share this thought?
16:21:08 <Joshue> LGR: I think it's a good idea, but if we spend a lot of time on it - I'd be concerned spending too much time on it.
16:21:17 <Joshue> LGR: Where would it live?
16:21:23 <Joshue> MC: We could create a wiwi?
16:21:30 <Joshue> MC: zakim, mute me
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16:22:13 <Joshue> MC: People at least passively think it could be valuable..
16:22:25 <Joshue> MC: Does anyone thing this is a top priority?
16:22:39 <Joshue> MC: Should it be last priority behing all the other stuff we are doing?
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16:23:29 <Joshue> MC: Sounds like a soft support of a limited investigation of Inst Memory.
16:23:42 <Joshue> MC: Are there better ways to do this? Any other ideas?
16:24:08 <Joshue> LGR: One question would be if we can target people who were around?
16:24:29 <Joshue> MC: What questions should we ask?
16:25:02 <Joshue> LGR: Should we contact people like Andi, Alex Li, John from MicroS etc
16:25:33 <Joshue> MC: Should we just ping them, and ask them what they think? We could structure survey permissions etc..
16:26:46 <Joshue> MC: We could schedule calls and interview people..
16:27:01 <Joshue> LGR: Sounds more resource intensive..
16:27:27 <Joshue> MC: We should spend some time on this, reach out, ask them how they would like to participate etc..
16:28:20 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
16:28:20 <Zakim> Joshue was not muted, Joshue
16:29:00 <AWK> ok
16:29:14 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
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16:30:08 <MichaelC> JN: maybe ask the current WG members what questions they have to pose to people who were around
16:30:15 <AWK> James: What if we asked the working group to generate questions as prompts for WG to gather reponses?
16:36:39 <MichaelC> Chairs and staff contact will try a wiki version of this collection process and run by group next week
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16:37:09 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:37:11 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
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16:37:20 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:37:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
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