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14:57:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:55 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:57:55 <trackbot> Date: 16 July 2013
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14:59:57 <glenn> zakim, ??p2 is me
14:59:57 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
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15:00:24 <markw> Zakim, Mark_Watson is markw
15:00:24 <Zakim> +markw; got it
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15:01:06 <paulc> zakim., what is the code?
15:01:23 <Zakim> +[Adobe]
15:01:27 <joesteele> 63342
15:01:36 <Zakim> + +1.760.533.aaaa
15:01:45 <joesteele> Zakim, Adobe is me
15:01:45 <Zakim> +joesteele; got it
15:01:48 <Zakim> + +44.303.040.aabb
15:01:51 <Zakim> +[CDT]
15:01:58 <markw> Zakim, Mark_Watson is me
15:01:58 <Zakim> sorry, markw, I do not recognize a party named 'Mark_Watson'
15:02:11 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:02:19 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Jul/0010.html
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15:02:28 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has me
15:02:28 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:02:35 <pladd> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, markw, joesteele, +1.760.533.aaaa, davide, [CDT], [Microsoft]
15:02:37 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:02:44 <pladd> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:02:44 <Zakim> +pladd; got it
15:02:54 <Zakim> + +1.212.512.aacc
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15:03:42 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
15:03:42 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
15:03:43 <joesteele> Scribe: joesteele
15:03:55 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
15:03:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
15:03:56 <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:03:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html paulc
15:03:59 <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:04:19 <joesteele> chair: paulc
15:04:28 <JoeHallCDT> zakim, [CDT] is me
15:04:28 <Zakim> +JoeHallCDT; got it
15:04:31 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Jul/0010.html
15:04:42 <joesteele> Zakim, who is here?
15:04:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, markw, joesteele, pladd, davide, JoeHallCDT, [Microsoft], +1.212.512.aacc, adrianba
15:04:44 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:04:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see johnsim, JoeHallCDT, ddorwin, JamilEllis, pladd, joesteele, davide, paulc, ReimundoGarcia, Zakim, RRSAgent, markw, adrianba, glenn, wseltzer, trackbot
15:04:54 <adrianba> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, markw, joesteele, pladd, davide, JoeHallCDT, [Microsoft], +1.212.512.aacc, adrianba
15:04:57 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:04:59 <ReimundoGarcia> zakim, [aacc] is me
15:05:00 <Zakim> sorry, ReimundoGarcia, I do not recognize a party named '[aacc]'
15:05:12 <joesteele> Topic: Role Call
15:05:17 <ReimundoGarcia> zakim, aacc is me
15:05:17 <Zakim> +ReimundoGarcia; got it
15:05:18 <JoeHallCDT> zakim, aacc is
15:05:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aacc is', JoeHallCDT
15:05:33 <JoeHallCDT> zakim, aacc is ReimundoGarcia
15:05:33 <Zakim> sorry, JoeHallCDT, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
15:05:37 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
15:05:43 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:05:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:05:59 <johnsim> zakim, microsoft.a is me
15:05:59 <Zakim> +johnsim; got it
15:06:04 <joesteele> Topic: Previous Minutes
15:06:08 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/2013/07/02-html-media-minutes.html
15:06:29 <glenn> zakim, who's here?
15:06:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, markw, joesteele, pladd, davide, JoeHallCDT, [Microsoft], ReimundoGarcia, adrianba, johnsim
15:06:31 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:06:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see johnsim, JoeHallCDT, ddorwin, JamilEllis, pladd, joesteele, davide, paulc, ReimundoGarcia, Zakim, RRSAgent, markw, adrianba, glenn, wseltzer, trackbot
15:06:38 <joesteele> topic: Review actions and issues
15:07:06 <paulc> ISSUE-1?
15:07:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-1 -- Consider moving the Clear Key definition into a separate specification -- raised
15:07:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/issues/1
15:07:15 <joesteele> paulc: tracking for now
15:07:28 <joesteele> topic: EME status & bugs
15:07:29 <Zakim> + +1.425.202.aadd
15:07:36 <ddorwin> zakim, aadd is me
15:07:36 <Zakim> +ddorwin; got it
15:07:48 <joesteele> paulc: looked last night and saw updated on July 2nd
15:07:48 <paulc> Editor's draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
15:07:56 <joesteele> paulc: any changes since then?
15:08:12 <joesteele> adrianba: changed this morning as usual
15:08:21 <joesteele> topic: outstanding bugs
15:08:27 <joesteele> paulc: only 15 this morning
15:08:29 <paulc> http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
15:09:16 <joesteele> topic: Bug 21855 - Avoid network traffic and duplicate sessions for the same key(s)
15:09:29 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21855#c5
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15:10:03 <joesteele> paulc: wanted people to look at comment #5
15:10:14 <joesteele> paulc: did not see any updates as of last night
15:10:25 <Zakim> +pal
15:10:29 <adrianba> q+
15:10:36 <joesteele> ... was a long weekend maybe no body got to it
15:10:46 <joesteele> adrianba: this is dependent on the next one 21854
15:10:54 <joesteele> ... we are also waiting for feedback on this one
15:11:18 <joesteele> ... couple of meetings since the proposal -- hoping to close this soon
15:11:30 <joesteele> ... assigned to me but can't do any action on it yet
15:11:42 <joesteele> topic: Bug 21854 - Define MediaKeySession life cycle states and/or events
15:11:50 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854#c9
15:12:05 <joesteele> paulc: we asked David to look, minutes say he volunteered
15:12:14 <joesteele> ddowrin: still waiting for feedback
15:12:26 <joesteele> s/ddowrin:/ddorwin:/
15:12:31 <paulc> s/feedback/internal feedback/
15:12:50 <joesteele> ddorwin: should be a transition from READY to ERROR -- question to the group
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15:12:59 <joesteele> ... not ready for feedback yet
15:13:05 <adrianba> q+
15:13:06 <joesteele> ... will update next time
15:13:10 <markw> q+
15:13:17 <joesteele> paulc: at next mtg will reverse the order
15:13:25 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
15:13:27 <joesteele> adrianba: comment on Davids questions
15:13:35 <joesteele> ... not sure what situation would cause this to happen
15:13:43 <joesteele> ... no objection to happening
15:14:09 <joesteele> ... would most likely signal an error against the element, if you are in READY should be no activity that would lead to an ERROR
15:14:17 <paulc> ack ad
15:14:20 <joesteele> markw: could imagine output protection could fail
15:14:22 <joesteele> q+
15:14:24 <paulc> ack markw
15:14:44 <joesteele> last speaker was ddorwin -- not markw
15:14:49 <adrianba> q+
15:15:05 <adrianba> Mark's comment -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854#c10
15:15:11 <joesteele> markw: we should have a CLOSED state for the key release messsages
15:15:21 <paulc> ack ad
15:15:37 <joesteele> adrianba: lump that comment in with the general design need for secure key release
15:15:44 <ddorwin> +1
15:15:52 <joesteele> ... haven't resolved how we manage the exchange during the winddown of the browser
15:15:55 <markw> q+
15:16:07 <paulc> ack joe
15:17:12 <joesteele> could see a transition from READY to ERROR from output protection as David said or because of an invalid key encountered during key rotation
15:17:17 <paulc> ack mark
15:17:21 <ddorwin> q+
15:17:38 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:17:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, markw, joesteele, pladd, davide, JoeHallCDT, [Microsoft], ReimundoGarcia, adrianba, johnsim, ddorwin, pal, [Microsoft.a]
15:17:40 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:17:45 <joesteele> markw: I think the status on the secure key release is that it is not required to be mandatory that the browser or window is closing
15:18:05 <joesteele> ... discussion is about the mechanism to store the reporting of these messages
15:18:20 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has johnsim
15:18:21 <Zakim> +johnsim; got it
15:18:24 <joesteele> ... will update the bug with relevant details
15:18:27 <adrianba> q?
15:18:33 <paulc> ack dd
15:18:51 <joesteele> ddorwin: saving the data can be just as complicated as sending the actual key release message
15:19:03 <joesteele> ... wanted to make sure I understand the event usage so all on the same page
15:19:35 <joesteele> ddorwin: <will paste this in a second>
15:19:53 <ddorwin> 	•	Event usage:
15:19:53 <ddorwin> 	◦	It seems that an application would wait for a keymessage and keyready event.
15:19:53 <ddorwin> 	◦	If keymessage is received, do a normal license exchange.
15:19:53 <ddorwin> 	◦	If keyready is received, there is nothing more to do.
15:19:54 <ddorwin> 	◦	If a normal license exchange occurred, the subsequent keyready could be ignored (similar to keyadded today).
15:20:06 <joesteele> adrianba: it depends on if the application wants to use keyready to do something
15:20:13 <joesteele> .. e.g. present a message to the user
15:20:48 <joesteele> ... another is the solution for 21875 - if you have 2 separate sessions where initdata is mapped to the same key - could use that
15:20:52 <joesteele> ... to move on
15:21:10 <joesteele> paulc: outstanding on David -- more data for you -- will be at the top of the next agenda
15:21:24 <joesteele> ... any further discussion?
15:21:35 <joesteele> topic: ACTION-24?
15:21:44 <joesteele> topic: ACTION-24: Resolve 17203 independent from 17199 (Adrian)
15:21:48 <joesteele> ACTION-24?
15:21:48 <trackbot> ACTION-24 -- Adrian Bateman to resolve 17203 independent from 17199 -- due 2013-07-09 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:21:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/24
15:22:06 <joesteele> adrianba: change I made was that in the introductions <finding link now>
15:22:17 <joesteele> ... which was to the section 1.2.3
15:22:22 <joesteele> ... on sessionID
15:22:26 <adrianba> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html#session-id
15:22:44 <joesteele> ... change I made was remove the language about sessionID being optional
15:23:23 <joesteele> ... and removed old language from previous non-object oriented design
15:23:34 <joesteele> ... request for others to review for old language
15:23:39 <ddorwin> Changes look good. (I didn't look for other references to optional.)
15:23:43 <joesteele> paulc: so this is closed?
15:23:50 <adrianba> close ACTION-24
15:23:50 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-24 Resolve 17203 independent from 17199.
15:23:51 <joesteele> adrianba: pending review
15:24:08 <joesteele> paulc: reopne this bug if you have concerns
15:24:16 <joesteele> topic: ACTION-25: And John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 (David)
15:24:21 <joesteele> ACTION-25?
15:24:21 <trackbot> ACTION-25 -- David Dorwin to and John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 -- due 2013-07-09 -- OPEN
15:24:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/25
15:24:48 <joesteele> ddorwin: did not get a chance to summarize my notes or revisit prior bug, should have notes this week
15:24:52 <paulc> ACTION-25 due July 19
15:24:52 <trackbot> Set ACTION-25 And John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 due date to 2013-07-19.
15:25:06 <joesteele> topic: ACTION-26: Implement bug 19096 in the editor's draft (Adrian)
15:25:09 <joesteele> ACTION-26?
15:25:09 <trackbot> ACTION-26 -- Adrian Bateman to implement bug 19096 in the editor's draft -- due 2013-07-09 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:25:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/26
15:25:45 <joesteele> adrianba: this was straightforward request to add the new type attributes to the media keyneeded event
15:25:53 <adrianba> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html#events
15:26:15 <joesteele> adrianba: added the type attribute and then noticed that the format of the initdata would depend on that type
15:26:28 <joesteele> ... should be self-explanatory but let me know if you want changes
15:26:31 <ddorwin> Changes look good.
15:26:31 <adrianba> close ACTION-26
15:26:32 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-26 Implement bug 19096 in the editor's draft.
15:26:56 <joesteele> topic: ACTION-27: Add comments to bug 17750 summarising the recent discussion of close (Adrian)
15:26:59 <joesteele> ACTION-27?
15:26:59 <trackbot> ACTION-27 -- Adrian Bateman to add comments to bug 17750 summarising the recent discussion of close -- due 2013-07-09 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:26:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/27
15:27:11 <adrianba> My comments -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750#c5
15:27:18 <joesteele> adrianba: added the comments
15:27:35 <joesteele> paulc: should we look now?
15:28:03 <joesteele> adrianba: summarized the comments I made around close in previous meetings
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15:28:11 <joesteele> ... essentially said there is two parts to close
15:28:20 <joesteele> ... one is key release
15:28:30 <joesteele> ... second is effect on a session
15:28:49 <joesteele> ... don't think we need close, application has a better idea of key life cycle than the CDM
15:29:09 <markw> q+
15:29:11 <joesteele> ... no specific guarantees
15:29:16 <joesteele> q+
15:29:29 <joesteele> markw: haven't reviewed but would like to do so
15:29:44 <paulc> ack markw
15:29:49 <joesteele> ... think there are cases where the app knows better what the lifecycle is -- need to check with security folks
15:29:59 <paulc> ack joe
15:30:40 <joesteele> so only need close if the application can know better than the CDM what the life cycle is?
15:30:53 <joesteele> adrianba: yes -- not sure this is the case
15:31:08 <markw> q+
15:31:28 <joesteele> ... only needed if the JS app could provide additional context for the CDM -- the app can provide the hint
15:31:49 <joesteele> ... if the CDM is fully capable of managing the keys, then don't need this
15:32:20 <paulc> ack markw
15:32:22 <joesteele> need some more time to think about this as well
15:32:52 <joesteele> markw: agree with Adrians rationale, we need a clear example of when the JS app would know better so we have a common understanding
15:33:12 <joesteele> ... would expect that if the media element is destroyed, that could cause the removal of all keys
15:33:25 <joesteele> ... might depend on the type of the CDM specific key
15:33:43 <joesteele> ... but need to check into the this case
15:33:43 <ddorwin> q+
15:33:52 <paulc> ack dd
15:34:10 <joesteele> ddorwin: reading the bug again, most of the discussion is on the close method
15:34:22 <joesteele> ... but also the issue of clearing the keys attribute
15:34:44 <joesteele> ... need to figure out what the corner cases or end-of-lifes cases for media going away
15:34:52 <joesteele> ... maybe src changes should just clear the media keys
15:35:05 <joesteele> s/for media /for media sources/
15:35:30 <joesteele> paulc: so several people are going to review and add comments, we will pick up at next mtg
15:35:33 <adrianba> close ACTION-27
15:35:34 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-27 Add comments to bug 17750 summarising the recent discussion of close.
15:35:42 <joesteele> topic: Bug 18515 - Provide more details on behavior of the media element when the key for an encrypted block is not available
15:35:51 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515
15:36:19 <joesteele> paulc: was there an attempt to have an action here? was discussed at previous mtg
15:37:13 <joesteele> ... adrian any progress on this?
15:37:20 <joesteele> adrianba: this was the group -- not me
15:37:28 <joesteele> paulc: should we spend time on this now?
15:37:54 <joesteele> adrianba: not sure
15:38:00 <joesteele> paulc: move on then
15:38:11 <joesteele> topic: Bug 21869 - Need clarity on stored keys for CDMs
15:38:18 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21869#c8
15:38:28 <joesteele> paulc: only bug updated without an existing ACTION
15:38:31 <joesteele> q+
15:39:19 <adrianba> joesteele: we had a bunch of discussion on this - when we discussed whether CDM should have storage there was a difference of opinion
15:39:34 <adrianba> ... seemed like david took the position that the JS application should be involved in any storage
15:39:54 <adrianba> ... sounded like the proposal was that this was an active thing - no storage without the JS being involved
15:40:00 <adrianba> ... i'm arguing for the opposite
15:40:07 <adrianba> ... data should be treated like cookie data
15:40:20 <adrianba> ... app can deny storage of data but if it doesn't intervene the data will be stored
15:40:29 <adrianba> ... will put CDMs on the same footing as servers
15:40:32 <johnsim> +q
15:40:43 <adrianba> ... would that be acceptable - proposed an API in the bug
15:40:50 <joesteele> ack joe
15:40:51 <paulc> ack joe
15:41:13 <paulc> ack john
15:41:21 <joesteele> johnsim: have a concern about this
15:41:43 <joesteele> ... up till now the CDM behavior has been isolated from the application
15:41:56 <adrianba> q+
15:41:58 <joesteele> ... typical for key stored or not stored depending on the license server being talked to
15:42:16 <joesteele> ... we seem to be violating the distinction between what the app is doing and what the CDM is doing
15:42:28 <joesteele> ... would need a detailed review of this with security team
15:42:38 <joesteele> ... should be between the CDM and the licens eserver
15:42:39 <ddorwin> q+
15:42:40 <joesteele> q+
15:42:41 <paulc> ack adrian
15:42:54 <joesteele> adrianba: would like to push a little harder on what John just said
15:43:04 <joesteele> ... not obvious what we mean by storage here
15:43:13 <joesteele> ... should be no barrier to what CDM should do
15:43:31 <joesteele> ... is storage in memory storage? on disk storage? always on makes a difference?
15:43:37 <joesteele> ... not sure what we mean by storage here
15:43:45 <ddorwin> The CDM does decryption, etc. It is not intended to be like a local server. There are numerous storage APIs with permission handlers, and we should not add another. If an application wants to persist data to disk, it probably already has a lot of key system knowledge.
15:43:45 <joesteele> ... don't think there should be constraints here
15:43:46 <paulc> ack dd
15:44:18 <adrianba> q+
15:44:19 <joesteele> ddorwin: CDM has specifically a narrow purpose
15:44:32 <joesteele> ... should reuse existing services if this is needed
15:44:56 <joesteele> ... main point seems to be to avoid key system specific information, but that will exist any way
15:45:01 <markw> q+
15:45:04 <paulc> ack joe
15:45:42 <ddorwin> q+ To ask What's not normal for CDMs?
15:46:36 <johnsim> q+
15:46:50 <paulc> ack ad
15:47:21 <joesteele> adrianba: only point that I disagree is that the spec does not need to handle this, not trying to define a generic storage mechanism
15:47:25 <joesteele> ... purely for the CDM to decide
15:47:28 <joesteele> q+
15:47:40 <paulc> ack mark
15:48:02 <joesteele> markw: what kinds of requirements that folks have that could not be met by storing the key message and response
15:48:09 <paulc> ack dd
15:48:09 <Zakim> ddorwin, you wanted to ask What's not normal for CDMs?
15:48:16 <joesteele> ... coul dhave reusable licenses if you want to
15:48:36 <paulc> ack john
15:48:37 <joesteele> ddorwin: joe said something that was not normal for CDMs? can restate?
15:48:43 <adrianba> markw, the response might be encoded with  a time senstive key
15:49:06 <joesteele> johnsim: what is the requirement that is not being met?
15:49:12 <paulc> ack joe
15:50:01 <adrianba> joesteele: to david's question - there are a bunch of CDMs that require storage (some named examples ???)
15:50:12 <adrianba> ... that's what i meant by normal as part of their usual operation
15:50:27 <adrianba> paulc: even if they require storage, given that the CDM is opaque do we have to say anything
15:50:46 <adrianba> joesteele: i could agree that this might be something that doesn't need to be described
15:50:59 <adrianba> ... but after discussing with some browser vendors
15:51:07 <markw> q+
15:51:17 <adrianba> ... if there is not a specific requirement in the spec to allow storage of data they will not be allowed
15:51:38 <adrianba> johnsim: so you mean the CDM is enclosed in the browser and doesn't have access to anything unless the browser allows it
15:51:57 <adrianba> joesteele: yes, and in this model we would be blocked
15:52:07 <adrianba> ... given the discussion about CDM having unfettered access to the system
15:52:18 <adrianba> ... one answer is to restrict what CDMs can do
15:52:35 <adrianba> ... i don't mean sandboxed but a number of CDMs cannot function without storage
15:52:54 <paulc> ack mark
15:53:15 <joesteele> markw: do think that CDMs will need to have access to storage - could be limited and browser mediated
15:53:24 <joesteele> ... particularly for key release storage
15:53:54 <joesteele> ... question was really what they need to store
15:54:16 <adrianba> joesteele: for our DRM we have a unique key to be downloaded to be functional at all
15:54:26 <adrianba> ... it is possible to function if you download every time
15:54:35 <adrianba> ... but that would be a multi-second delay for every attempt to play
15:54:43 <adrianba> ... because of not storing this key
15:54:52 <adrianba> ... for secure key release we also need to store this information
15:55:03 <adrianba> ... it state information and not input/output data
15:55:29 <adrianba> ... the secondary problem of storing license could potentially be stored as key request/key response
15:55:43 <adrianba> ... but this is a roundabout way of storing the data
15:55:54 <joesteele> paulc: think this has been useful -- better understanding of the use case Joe is talking about
15:56:05 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21869#c8
15:56:20 <joesteele> thanks for scribing Adrian!
15:56:30 <joesteele> paulc: not time for another bug
15:56:57 <joesteele> ... if we come to the next mtg with these actions and bugs done, would be helpful to have editors nominate some additional bugs
15:57:04 <joesteele> ... next meeting is July 30th
15:57:37 <joesteele> ... if someone could start the discussion on some set of bugs for the next meeting, that would be good as well
15:57:53 <joesteele> ... given lots of outstanding actions, can't set the bar that high
15:58:03 <joesteele> ... but would like a set of bugs for the next meeting
15:58:09 <Zakim> -pladd
15:58:10 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
15:58:12 <joesteele> paulc: thanks to the scribes
15:58:15 <Zakim> -pal
15:58:20 <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:58:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html paulc
15:58:29 <joesteele> Zakim, who is here?
15:58:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, markw, joesteele, davide, JoeHallCDT, [Microsoft], ReimundoGarcia, adrianba, johnsim, ddorwin
15:58:31 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:58:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see markw, jdsmith, johnsim, JoeHallCDT, ddorwin, JamilEllis, joesteele, davide, paulc, ReimundoGarcia, Zakim, RRSAgent, adrianba, glenn, wseltzer, trackbot
15:58:45 <Zakim> -adrianba
15:58:45 <Zakim> -ReimundoGarcia
15:58:46 <joesteele> paulc: bye all
15:58:46 <Zakim> -JoeHallCDT
15:58:47 <Zakim> -johnsim
15:58:48 <Zakim> -joesteele
15:58:48 <Zakim> -glenn
15:58:49 <Zakim> -ddorwin
15:58:49 <Zakim> -davide
15:58:51 <Zakim> -markw
15:58:51 <JoeHallCDT> JoeHallCDT has left #html-media
15:59:08 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:59:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:00:01 <joesteele> s/reopne/reopen/
16:00:48 <joesteele> s/ddorwin: still waiting for internal feedback/markw: still waiting for internal feedback/
16:00:50 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:00:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:01:13 <joesteele> s/last speaker was ddorwin -- not markw//
16:01:16 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:01:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:01:52 <joesteele> s/could see a transition/joesteele: could see a transition/
16:01:53 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:01:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:02:34 <joesteele> s/then noticed that/then noted that/
16:02:36 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:02:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:03:02 <joesteele> s/we need close, application/we need close, UNLESS application/
16:03:05 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:03:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:03:24 <joesteele> s/so only need close/joesteele: so only need close/
16:03:26 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:03:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:03:40 <joesteele> s/need some more time/joesteele: need some more time/
16:03:41 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:03:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:05:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, [Microsoft], in HTML_WG()11:00AM
16:05:01 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
16:05:01 <Zakim> Attendees were glenn, markw, +1.760.533.aaaa, joesteele, +44.303.040.aabb, davide, paulc, pladd, +1.212.512.aacc, [Microsoft], adrianba, JoeHallCDT, ReimundoGarcia, johnsim,
16:05:02 <Zakim> ... +1.425.202.aadd, ddorwin, pal
16:05:16 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:05:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:05:32 <joesteele> s/coul dhave/could have/
16:05:55 <joesteele> s/markw, the response/markw: the response/
16:05:58 <joesteele> s/coul dhave/could have/
16:06:00 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:06:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:06:40 <joesteele> s/of data they will/of data, it will/
16:06:42 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:06:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:07:24 <joesteele> s/i don't mean sandboxed/I don't mind sandboxes/
16:07:26 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:07:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:08:14 <joesteele> s/it state information/as state information/
16:08:16 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:08:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:10:06 <joesteele> zakim, bye
16:10:06 <Zakim> Zakim has left #html-media
16:10:12 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:10:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
16:10:18 <joesteele> rrsagent, bye
16:10:18 <RRSAgent> I see no action items