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19:02:03 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jul/0006.html
19:02:13 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
19:02:29 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
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19:05:03 <davidb_> trackbot, listen to clown
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19:05:15 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
19:05:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:05:24 <clown> rrsagent, make log public
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19:06:56 <clown> topic:  action-1200
19:06:59 <clown> action-1200?
19:06:59 <trackbot> Sorry, but this channel isn't in my configuration.
19:07:26 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
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19:07:57 <clown> JS:  I've done work for the table of author errors.
19:08:08 <clown> JS: Cynthia approves, but I want your opinion, davidb
19:08:50 <clown> JS:  It has to do with author errors and required aria attributes on roles.
19:08:52 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#document-handling_author-errors
19:09:56 <clown> JS:  <describes tables>
19:10:01 <clown> DB:  yeah.
19:10:16 <clown> DB:  let me think about it.
19:11:42 <clown> s/describes tables/describes table/
19:11:54 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
19:11:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:13:04 <davidb> s/let me think about it/ok
19:13:55 <davidb> DB: i still don't like 'undefined' as a literal value
19:14:06 <clown> DB:  I've gone over these in my head, and I don't think there is any problems.
19:15:48 <clown> JS:  I don't like 'undefined' as a literal value either.
19:16:04 <davidb> I think surkov would agree.
19:18:31 <davidb> you can see we have to actually check undefined here sigh http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/src/base/nsAccUtils.cpp#184
19:19:41 <davidb> anyways
19:21:05 <clown> Resolved:  close action-1200.
19:21:57 <clown> JS:  related issue about aria-checked undefined.
19:22:21 <clown> JS: Should that not also say the accessible is not check-able, where the AAPI allows that?
19:22:49 <clown> DB:  probably, there is a checkabl state is IA2.
19:22:57 <clown> JS: and there something simliar in AT-SPI.
19:24:46 <clown> JS:  the spec states that aria-checked being undefined means the accessilble is not check-able.
19:24:56 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-checked
19:25:03 <clown> The element does not support being checked
19:26:45 <davidb> discussion from aug 8 2008 (5 years ago) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452388
19:29:49 <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
19:30:11 <clown> JS:  note comment 6 — https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452388#c6
19:30:26 <clown> JS:  where aaron says, "Any "undefined" value for something of type NMTOKEN is the same as it not being present."
19:30:55 <clown> JS:  that is and explicit "undefined" string is equivalent to the attribute being absent.
19:31:09 <clown> s/that is and/that is, an/
19:31:15 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
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19:56:06 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
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19:56:42 <clown> scribenick:  clown
19:56:50 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
19:56:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:57:29 <clown> trackbot, start meeting
19:57:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs member
19:57:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
19:57:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM already started
19:57:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
19:57:34 <trackbot> Date: 16 July 2013
19:57:47 <clown> rrsagent, make log public
19:57:51 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
19:57:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-aapi-minutes.html clown
20:01:47 <clown> regrets:  Cynthia_Shelley
20:01:57 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
20:01:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/16-aapi-minutes.html clown
20:02:14 <clown> zakim, bye
20:02:14 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, [Mozilla]
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20:02:40 <clown> present:  David_Bolter, Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:02:51 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
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