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13:57:46 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
13:57:46 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:57:47 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:47 <trackbot> Date: 15 July 2013
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14:00:28 <Arnaud> zakim, IPCaller is me
14:00:28 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it
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14:00:35 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud
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14:00:51 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:00:52 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me
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14:01:36 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
14:01:36 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
14:01:38 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
14:01:38 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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14:02:33 <Arnaud> sorry, having trouble getting and staying on
14:02:51 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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14:03:18 <Arnaud> Zakim, IPCaller is me
14:03:18 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it
14:03:43 <Zakim> + +329331aaaa
14:03:49 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P31 is me
14:03:49 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
14:03:52 <mielvds> zakim, +329331aaaa is me
14:03:52 <Zakim> +mielvds; got it
14:03:57 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:03:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveS, TallTed (muted), Sandro, cody, JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, SteveBattle, nmihindu, mielvds
14:04:50 <cody> I can scribe.
14:05:13 <Zakim> +??P36
14:05:25 <krp> zakim, ??P36 is me
14:05:25 <Zakim> +krp; got it
14:05:51 <cody> PROPOSAL: Approve Minutes of July 8
14:05:57 <SteveS> +1 I looked and look good
14:06:02 <Ashok> +1
14:06:31 <cody> Arnaud, hearing no objections, I approve minutes of July 8th.
14:07:06 <nmihindu> s/Arnaud,/Arnaud:
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14:07:59 <svillata> Zakim, ??P41 is me
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14:08:52 <cody> Arnaud: Anything we need to discuss on actions pending review?
14:09:50 <cody> zakim, who is speaking?
14:10:00 <Zakim> cody, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: SteveS (7%), JohnArwe (59%), Arnaud (8%), mielvds (4%)
14:11:02 <SteveS> cody, I was speaking with an update
14:11:07 <cody> JohnArwe: In the list of 10 or 12 sections, I sent, I think maybe one is worth talking to.
14:11:08 <SteveS> prior to JohnArwe
14:11:21 <cody> Arnaud: Any objections to closing the actions marked as pending review?
14:11:39 <stevebattle4> q+
14:11:41 <cody> Arnaud: Hearing none, we will close all of the actions that are pending review.
14:11:56 <cody> Arnaud: There are quite a few of them.
14:12:04 <sandro> action-90?
14:12:04 <trackbot> ACTION-90 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to coordinate with Sandro re: comment tracker and use mailing list public-ldp-comments@w3.org -- due 2013-07-15 -- OPEN
14:12:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/90
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14:12:07 <cody> Arnaud: Eric and Sandro, what about ACTION 90?
14:12:08 <ericP> i didn't do what i was supposed to do
14:12:21 <ericP> i'll try to be a better boy in the near future
14:12:54 <cody> Arnaud: because we are going to need that to be taken care of in order to go to last call
14:13:33 <cody> Arnaud: Miel, what about your action?
14:13:33 <stevebattle4> We can close issue-61
14:13:40 <cody> zakim, who is speaking?
14:13:51 <Zakim> cody, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ashok_Malhotra (10%), Arnaud (43%), mielvds (11%)
14:13:55 <Arnaud> miel
14:14:02 <cody> Mielvds: It will be finished by end of the week.
14:14:20 <nmihindu> GSP vs LDP -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lofZv855H5D3JDSefpEiE3NBM30YBh2W4pkmAGvlLtM/edit?usp=sharing
14:14:39 <cody> ss/Mielvds/mielvds
14:16:11 <cody> Arnaud: Let's move on to the status of the spec. It's basically ready in terms of the normative section. I propose we have 1 week, so I would like us to limit the review to 1 week for final read-through.
14:17:44 <cody> Arnaud: We have the F2F4 planned for Sept and I want to allow at least 6 weeks for last call review before that. Then we can dedicate that F2F to address issues raised by last call.
14:18:37 <cody> Arnaud: Maybe we can even adopt a lighter schedule after next week; perhaps meeting only every two weeks. (We keep a weekly call until we have decided that we're going to last call.) Comments?
14:19:00 <SteveS> +1 for a week, but recommend sooner than later so editors have a chance to incorporate
14:19:10 <cody> Arnaud: I hear no objections, so we'll approve that plan.
14:19:18 <JohnArwe> The only "discovery" topic I listed in today's email as being worthy of some attention IMO was in Paging-HTTP GET https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#http-get-1 where we say that the rdf:type=ldp:Page triple is optional.  It has been this way for months, FWIW.
14:19:28 <cody> Arnaud: Let's move to John's point about section.
14:20:43 <JohnArwe> 4.9.2.5 is the specific constraint
14:20:44 <cody> JohnArwe: Link is in IRC. The 'SHOULD' struck me as a little odd. Section in paging, sub-heading HTTP GET, look at 4 9 2 5
14:21:02 <cody> s /4 9 2 5/4.9.2.5
14:21:14 <cody> JohnArwe: I think it would make sense if it were a MUST
14:21:52 <nmihindu> JohnArwe, so you suggest both of them to be MUST ?
14:21:53 <cody> Arnaud: There are 2 shoulds. Which one should be a MUST, John?
14:22:13 <cody> JohnArway: The first one is the important one. The second, I could go either way with.
14:22:54 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
14:22:54 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
14:22:55 <cody> Arnaud: Any comments from anyone else?
14:23:46 <cody> TallTed: Yes, the mix of SHOULDs and MUSTs does seem a little off here. But I'm not entirely clear on what it SHOULD be (no pun intended). I will do an offline review and get back to people.
14:24:21 <cody> TallTed: Do these flow from each other so 5 depends on 4 depends on 3?
14:24:35 <TallTed> aside: the subsections of both 4.8.2 and 4.8.3 need renumbering from 4.9.x.y
14:24:52 <JohnArwe> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#introduction-3
14:24:59 <JohnArwe> 2nd paragraph
14:25:14 <TallTed> aside cont: and there's more of that looking back into 4.7, 4.6, 4.5, etc.
14:25:30 <nmihindu> JohnArwe, 4.9.2.4 has a higher level MUST which covers 4.9.2.5~4.9.2.7, right ? I wonder whether it has any implication.
14:25:50 <cody> JohnArway: Just so all readers are aware LDP makes absolutely no way to find out in advance or control...
14:26:11 <cody> s JohnArway/JohnArwe
14:26:39 <cody> + There's a couple of other small things I'm putting an email together on.
14:27:11 <cody> Arnaud: Other than that, I'd like us to agree that basically the spec is good enough to start the final review.
14:27:40 <cody> TallTed: I think all the numbering needs to be corrected first.
14:27:50 <cody> SteveS: Yeah, I'll fix it.
14:28:11 <Arnaud> Proposal: start final review to decide whether we can go to Last Call on 7/22, pending signal from Steve on fixing numbering
14:28:41 <cody> +q
14:28:52 <Arnaud> ack steveb
14:28:59 <Arnaud> ack cody
14:29:19 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
14:29:19 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
14:30:25 <JohnArwe> 5.4.7 In RDF representations, LDPC servers MUST interpret the null relative URI for the subject of triples
14:30:43 <JohnArwe> ...from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#http-post-1
14:31:28 <JohnArwe> q+
14:32:29 <Arnaud> ack john
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14:33:31 <svillata> q?
14:33:53 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
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14:34:52 <Zakim> +??P12
14:35:02 <SteveS> I fixed the numbering issue, was just a missing </a> tag that was breaking everything
14:35:05 <pchampin> zakim, ??P12 is me
14:35:05 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
14:35:28 <cody> TallTed: It's up to us to say how to figure out what the base URI is, if it's not specified in the language (as in turtle)
14:36:02 <cody> + We need to say, "Here's how you get that base if it's not overridden by your serialization."
14:36:24 <cody> JohnArwe: I do not think that is actually specified.
14:36:58 <cody> JohnArwe: Application defined, basically. Not real hopeful in giving us the default solution.
14:37:51 <cody> + The 4 levels in order... (scribe didn't get_
14:38:53 <stevebattle4> yes
14:39:09 <cody> TallTed: Maybe it's worth a paragraph clarifying. I assume that we all agree that when you do a PUT it should resolve the same as when doing a GET
14:39:33 <stevebattle4> patch?
14:39:47 <cody> + 3986 talks about retrieval . We note that the same scheme is implied for other verbs.
14:40:20 <JohnArwe> 2616 Content-Location does handle things for resources having said response header (but that doesn't help here for create): The value of Content-Location also defines the base URI for the
14:40:20 <JohnArwe>    entity.
14:40:48 <cody> Arnaud: Can someone look into this and come up with a concrete propsal for what to add to the spec on this?
14:41:24 <nmihindu> s/propsal/proposal
14:41:49 <JohnArwe> ...the *only* other mention of "base URI" in 2616 is in 3.2.1 which basically just says 2396 (superseded by 3986) tells you how to know if any given URI is absolute vs relative.
14:42:05 <TallTed> s/TallTed: Maybe/ericP: Maybe/
14:42:19 <Arnaud> Proposal: start final review to decide whether we can go to Last Call on 7/22
14:42:30 <cody> +1
14:42:36 <stevebattle4> +1
14:42:39 <SteveS> +1
14:42:42 <svillata> +1
14:42:44 <TallTed> +1
14:42:46 <pchampin> +1
14:42:52 <nmihindu> +1
14:42:56 <Ashok> +1
14:42:58 <JohnArwe> +1
14:43:06 <Arnaud> Resolvedl: start final review to decide whether we can go to Last Call on 7/22, pending signal from Steve on fixing numbering
14:43:15 <sandro> +1
14:43:45 <nmihindu> s/Resolvedl/Resolved
14:43:46 <cody> EricP: Typing that piece of text for the editor now.
14:43:46 <ericP> RFC3986 defines relative URI resolution in terms of a retrieval URL. This defines the base URL for HTTP GET operations. LDP uses the URL of PUT and PATCH requests as the base URL for the payload of those messages.
14:44:44 <ericP> Note that POSTs to an LDP Container use the URL of the newly created resource as the base for resolving relative URLs in POST messages.
14:44:47 <ericP> .
14:44:56 <SteveS> FYI, here is HTML diff from latest WG to 2nd PWD https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-diff-20130715.html
14:45:02 <cody> Arnaud: We can leave it at that for now. Next week, come back with a concrete proposal on this and we can make formal decision on it as part of decision to go to last call.
14:45:16 <cody> + topic: Next Face-to-Face
14:46:10 <cody> + I don't want to have the F2F BEFORE the end of the Last Call period.
14:46:26 <JohnArwe> arnaud you just cut out
14:46:28 <sandro> loast arnaud...
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14:46:30 <JohnArwe> ...zero sound
14:47:01 <Ashok> Arnaud, your audio dropped
14:47:10 <cody> zakim, who is speaking?
14:47:21 <Zakim> cody, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TallTed (52%), ericP (5%)
14:47:38 <JohnArwe> that's ericp
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14:48:11 <Arnaud1> sorry connection dropped
14:48:18 <cody> Arnaud dropped; continued discussion around the F2F schedule.
14:48:38 <mielvds> no objections
14:48:42 <ericP> SteveS: risk of scheduling F2F seems low
14:49:15 <cody> EricP: Sounds like nobody disagrees that we change the current plan, but the heat is totally on for the reviewers.
14:49:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:49:39 <JohnArwe> Arnaud, anything more on your agenda?  EricP stepped in
14:49:54 <JohnArwe> ...and now had to mute, so SteveS stepped in.
14:50:01 <Arnaud1> Zakim, IPcaller is me
14:50:02 <Zakim> +Arnaud1; got it
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14:50:22 <krp> zakim, ??P32 is me
14:50:22 <Zakim> +krp; got it
14:50:50 <cody> Arnaud: (back now) So, I will update the page with information and reserve the meeting room.
14:54:40 <cody> zakim, who is speaking?
14:54:50 <Zakim> cody, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TallTed (30%)
14:54:53 <JohnArwe> SteveS speaking
14:55:04 <cody> TallTed: What about the Vocabulary document?
14:55:41 <JohnArwe> that's SteveS not TallTed
14:55:52 <cody> thx
14:56:16 <cody> SteveS: What about the vocabulary document?
14:56:49 <cody> Arnaud: So, we need to worry about the vocal document as normative?
14:57:19 <JohnArwe> s/vocal/vocabulary/
14:59:05 <cody> SteveS: Agreement that it's informative.
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15:00:21 <ericP> ACTION: SteveS to add a header to the vocabulary document to say that it's informative; real definitions are in the LDP specification
15:00:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Add a header to the vocabulary document to say that it's informative; real definitions are in the LDP specification [on Steve Speicher - due 2013-07-22].
15:00:21 <cody> SteveS: We should mark it as such (informative). I'll take an action for that.
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15:15:00 <Zakim> Attendees were SteveS, TallTed, Sandro, cody, JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, Arnaud, nmihindu, mielvds, krp, ericP, svillata, pchampin, Arnaud1
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