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15:01:41 <aphillip> trackbot prepare teleconference
15:01:43 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:01:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:01:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:01:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:01:46 <trackbot> Date: 11 July 2013
15:01:58 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Jul/0008.html
15:02:02 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:02:07 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
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15:02:13 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:02:21 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:02:21 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:02:39 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:02:39 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has not yet started, aphillip
15:02:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, Zakim, JcK, RRSAgent, aphillip, aharon, matial, DavidClarke, r12a, trackbot
15:02:56 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:02:57 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has not yet started, aphillip
15:02:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, Zakim, JcK, RRSAgent, aphillip, aharon, matial, DavidClarke, r12a, trackbot
15:03:04 <aphillip> zakim, code?
15:03:04 <Zakim> the conference code is 4186 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), aphillip
15:03:16 <r12a> zakim, this is i18n
15:03:16 <Zakim> ok, r12a; that matches I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
15:04:00 <matial> I am here too (muted)
15:04:00 <aphillip> agenda+ Charmod-Norm
15:04:10 <aphillip> agenda+ CSS
15:04:23 <aphillip> agenda+ inter-character annotation
15:04:33 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:04:38 <aphillip> agenda+ TPAC
15:04:42 <aphillip> agenda?
15:05:18 <aphillip> agenda+ ellipses and @dir
15:05:42 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:08:02 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:08:32 <aphillip> richard: working on tests
15:08:35 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/
15:08:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:08:53 <aphillip> richard: still a ways to go, but rewriting many of the tests
15:09:09 <aphillip> ... basic idea is to script scriptable tests
15:09:19 <aphillip> ... so framework can see if tests passed or failed
15:09:44 <aphillip> ... or ref tests (compare this page against a known good page)
15:09:54 <aphillip> ... rewrote framework so we can export these tests into flatfiles
15:10:02 <aphillip> ... for "test the web forward" initiative
15:10:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:10:19 <aphillip> richard: did some of that previously, but test framework progressed
15:10:38 <aphillip> ... new ones with blue background ("in development")
15:11:09 <aphillip> ... organized by section of the spec being tested
15:12:36 <aphillip> richard: aharon, need to work on bidi tests
15:12:49 <aphillip> ... have a feeling some rewriting and need more tests
15:13:06 <aphillip> ... share things needed?
15:13:33 <aphillip> aharon: many tests present
15:13:39 <aphillip> ... test writing group working on them
15:13:44 <aphillip> ... they haven't been submitted yet
15:13:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:14:14 <aphillip> aharon: what we have could be sent, but only fraction of what's intended
15:14:36 <Zakim> - +44.141.888.aaaa
15:14:43 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:14:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P27, +972.5.424.5aabb, +1.617.245.aacc, Norbert, Richard, aphillip
15:14:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, Zakim, JcK, RRSAgent, aphillip, aharon, matial, DavidClarke, r12a, trackbot
15:14:53 <aphillip> zakim, +1.617 is JcK
15:14:53 <Zakim> +JcK; got it
15:15:15 <aphillip> zakim, ??P27 is DavidClarke
15:15:15 <Zakim> +DavidClarke; got it
15:15:22 <Zakim> + +44.141.888.aadd
15:15:26 <aphillip> zakim, +972 is aharon
15:15:26 <Zakim> +aharon; got it
15:15:32 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:15:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see DavidClarke, aharon, JcK, Norbert, Richard, aphillip, +44.141.888.aadd
15:15:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, Zakim, JcK, RRSAgent, aphillip, aharon, matial, DavidClarke, r12a, trackbot
15:15:42 <DavidClarke> 02,15Zakim, +44 is me99,99
15:15:44 <aphillip> agenda?
15:16:01 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:16:01 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ellipses and @dir" taken up [from aphillip]
15:16:19 <aphillip> aharon: talked to CSS-WG
15:16:29 <aphillip> ... current spec on ellipsis is ambiguous
15:16:40 <matial> zakim, ??p27 zakim, ??p27 is me
15:16:40 <Zakim> I don't understand '??p27 zakim, ??p27 is me', matial
15:16:43 <aphillip> ... can't be interpreted as requiring logical truncation
15:16:48 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:16:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see DavidClarke, aharon, JcK, Norbert, Richard, aphillip, +44.141.888.aadd
15:16:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, Zakim, JcK, RRSAgent, aphillip, aharon, matial, DavidClarke, r12a, trackbot
15:16:57 <aphillip> zakim, DavidClarke is matial
15:16:57 <Zakim> +matial; got it
15:17:04 <aphillip> zakim, +44 is DavidClarke
15:17:04 <Zakim> +DavidClarke; got it
15:17:17 <aphillip> aharon: tried to look up discussion
15:17:23 <aphillip> ... was in f2f a couple years ago
15:17:29 <aphillip> ... not very detailed argumens
15:17:36 <aphillip> s/argumens/arguments/
15:17:40 <aphillip> aharon: responded
15:17:57 <aphillip> ... mati agreed with main parts of argument, some further detailed discussion
15:18:23 <aphillip> ... could discuss minor point of where to draw ellipsis
15:19:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:20:36 <aphillip> aharon: IE and WK put ellipsis at visual end rather than logical end
15:20:39 <Zakim> -DavidClarke
15:21:16 <Zakim> +DavidClarke
15:22:44 <aphillip> aharon: no action on the bug yet
15:22:51 <aphillip> ... on a different but from amir ahroni
15:23:03 <aphillip> ... where is asked for isolation for both lang and dir
15:23:13 <aphillip> s/where is/where he/
15:23:36 <aphillip> ... Hixie responded that we should clone if WHAT-WG should consider
15:23:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:23:56 <aphillip> richard: should happen automagically, per Robin?
15:24:04 <aphillip> ... forward email to him and inquire?
15:24:36 <aphillip> action: aharon: ping Robin to notify that the bidi bug wasn't cloned to see if there's a gap in process
15:24:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - Ping Robin to notify that the bidi bug wasn't cloned to see if there's a gap in process [on Aharon Lanin - due 2013-07-18].
15:24:51 <aphillip> agenda?
15:25:07 <aphillip> aharon: thinking about email to Mark
15:25:17 <aphillip> ... question posed might not want to be asked
15:25:27 <aphillip> ... effect on <bdo>
15:25:47 <aphillip> ... should cause more concern on regular in-line elements like <span>
15:25:53 <aphillip> ... same kind of change
15:27:16 <Zakim> -aharon
15:28:04 <Zakim> +aharon
15:29:12 <aphillip> action-234: need to indicate no longer interested
15:29:12 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-234 Ping Mark Davis asking if Google can get statistics on <bdo> usage.
15:29:23 <aphillip> aharon: should be isolated too
15:29:39 <aphillip> agenda?
15:29:53 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:29:53 <Zakim> agendum 4. "TPAC" taken up [from aphillip]
15:30:25 <aphillip> norbert: you got us space mon/tue which are the days I can't go
15:30:37 <aphillip> ... anyone else going?
15:31:54 <aphillip> action: addison: move our tpac days to thurs/fri
15:31:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Move our tpac days to thurs/fri [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-07-18].
15:33:27 <aphillip> agenda?
15:34:24 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:34:24 <Zakim> agendum 3. "inter-character annotation" taken up [from aphillip]
15:34:34 <aphillip> discussion of tate-chu-yoko
15:35:18 <r12a> zakim, who's noisy?
15:35:21 <aphillip> richard: something in open type to support
15:35:22 <aharon> Have to go. Bye everybody.
15:35:26 <Zakim> -aharon
15:35:29 <Zakim> r12a, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DavidClarke (25%), Richard (95%), aphillip (9%)
15:35:43 <aphillip> ... substitution of glyphs (so maybe half sized glyphs)
15:35:47 <aphillip> ... etc.
15:36:03 <aphillip> ... then use that to get right sized horizontal glyphs
15:36:10 <aphillip> ... up to browser how to get these in
15:36:27 <aphillip> zakim, mute DavidClarke
15:36:27 <Zakim> DavidClarke should now be muted
15:37:51 <aphillip> ... solution should say something like "if you have a mechanism such x-and-y opentype feature"
15:38:00 <aphillip> s/such/such as/
15:41:14 <aphillip> addison: auto TCY unlikely
15:41:39 <aphillip> richard: intro to unicode: shouldn't use zenkaku characters?
15:43:58 <aphillip> ... will probably change what I say
15:48:07 <aphillip> richard: john d was looking for support
15:48:22 <aphillip> ... if anyone interested, might want to read thread
15:49:21 <aphillip> "10 apr 2013"
15:50:26 <aphillip> agenda?
15:50:43 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:50:43 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Charmod-Norm" taken up [from aphillip]
15:51:11 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/charmod-norm/
16:03:29 <aphillip> "Searching and Matching Textual Content"
16:04:05 <aphillip> norbert: identifiers vs. natural language text: make clear in chapter titles
16:05:54 <matial> Have to leave. Bye.
16:06:04 <Zakim> -matial
16:19:58 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:20:46 <Zakim> -DavidClarke
16:20:47 <Zakim> -aphillip
16:20:49 <Zakim> -Norbert
16:20:56 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:20:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:21:04 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
16:21:04 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
16:21:05 <Zakim> -Richard
16:21:50 <Zakim> -JcK
16:21:51 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
16:21:51 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.141.888.aaaa, +972.5.424.5aabb, +1.617.245.aacc, Norbert, Richard, aphillip, JcK, +44.141.888.aadd, aharon, matial, DavidClarke
16:29:13 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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