IRC log of i18n on 2013-07-11

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-irc
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trackbot prepare teleconference
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 4186
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ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 11 July 2013
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Jul/0008.html
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: aphillip
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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zakim, dial richard
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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zakim, who is here?
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I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has not yet started, aphillip
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On IRC I see Norbert, Zakim, JcK, RRSAgent, aphillip, aharon, matial, DavidClarke, r12a, trackbot
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zakim, who is here?
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I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has not yet started, aphillip
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On IRC I see Norbert, Zakim, JcK, RRSAgent, aphillip, aharon, matial, DavidClarke, r12a, trackbot
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 4186 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), aphillip
15:03:16 [r12a]
zakim, this is i18n
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ok, r12a; that matches I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
15:04:00 [matial]
I am here too (muted)
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agenda+ Charmod-Norm
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agenda+ CSS
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agenda+ inter-character annotation
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Topic: Agenda
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agenda+ TPAC
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agenda?
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agenda+ ellipses and @dir
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Topic: Action Items
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Topic: Info Share
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richard: working on tests
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http://www.w3.org/International/tests/
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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richard: still a ways to go, but rewriting many of the tests
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... basic idea is to script scriptable tests
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... so framework can see if tests passed or failed
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... or ref tests (compare this page against a known good page)
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... rewrote framework so we can export these tests into flatfiles
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... for "test the web forward" initiative
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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richard: did some of that previously, but test framework progressed
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... new ones with blue background ("in development")
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... organized by section of the spec being tested
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richard: aharon, need to work on bidi tests
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... have a feeling some rewriting and need more tests
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... share things needed?
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aharon: many tests present
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... test writing group working on them
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... they haven't been submitted yet
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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aharon: what we have could be sent, but only fraction of what's intended
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- +44.141.888.aaaa
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see ??P27, +972.5.424.5aabb, +1.617.245.aacc, Norbert, Richard, aphillip
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On IRC I see Norbert, Zakim, JcK, RRSAgent, aphillip, aharon, matial, DavidClarke, r12a, trackbot
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zakim, +1.617 is JcK
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+JcK; got it
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zakim, ??P27 is DavidClarke
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+DavidClarke; got it
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+ +44.141.888.aadd
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zakim, +972 is aharon
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+aharon; got it
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see DavidClarke, aharon, JcK, Norbert, Richard, aphillip, +44.141.888.aadd
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On IRC I see Norbert, Zakim, JcK, RRSAgent, aphillip, aharon, matial, DavidClarke, r12a, trackbot
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02,15Zakim, +44 is me99,99
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "ellipses and @dir" taken up [from aphillip]
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aharon: talked to CSS-WG
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... current spec on ellipsis is ambiguous
15:16:40 [matial]
zakim, ??p27 zakim, ??p27 is me
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I don't understand '??p27 zakim, ??p27 is me', matial
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... can't be interpreted as requiring logical truncation
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see DavidClarke, aharon, JcK, Norbert, Richard, aphillip, +44.141.888.aadd
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On IRC I see Norbert, Zakim, JcK, RRSAgent, aphillip, aharon, matial, DavidClarke, r12a, trackbot
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zakim, DavidClarke is matial
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+matial; got it
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zakim, +44 is DavidClarke
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+DavidClarke; got it
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aharon: tried to look up discussion
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... was in f2f a couple years ago
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... not very detailed argumens
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s/argumens/arguments/
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aharon: responded
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... mati agreed with main parts of argument, some further detailed discussion
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... could discuss minor point of where to draw ellipsis
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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aharon: IE and WK put ellipsis at visual end rather than logical end
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-DavidClarke
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+DavidClarke
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aharon: no action on the bug yet
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... on a different but from amir ahroni
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... where is asked for isolation for both lang and dir
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s/where is/where he/
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... Hixie responded that we should clone if WHAT-WG should consider
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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richard: should happen automagically, per Robin?
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... forward email to him and inquire?
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action: aharon: ping Robin to notify that the bidi bug wasn't cloned to see if there's a gap in process
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Created ACTION-239 - Ping Robin to notify that the bidi bug wasn't cloned to see if there's a gap in process [on Aharon Lanin - due 2013-07-18].
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agenda?
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aharon: thinking about email to Mark
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... question posed might not want to be asked
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... effect on <bdo>
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... should cause more concern on regular in-line elements like <span>
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... same kind of change
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-aharon
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+aharon
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action-234: need to indicate no longer interested
15:29:12 [trackbot]
Notes added to ACTION-234 Ping Mark Davis asking if Google can get statistics on <bdo> usage.
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aharon: should be isolated too
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "TPAC" taken up [from aphillip]
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norbert: you got us space mon/tue which are the days I can't go
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... anyone else going?
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action: addison: move our tpac days to thurs/fri
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Created ACTION-240 - Move our tpac days to thurs/fri [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-07-18].
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "inter-character annotation" taken up [from aphillip]
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discussion of tate-chu-yoko
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zakim, who's noisy?
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richard: something in open type to support
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Have to go. Bye everybody.
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-aharon
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r12a, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DavidClarke (25%), Richard (95%), aphillip (9%)
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... substitution of glyphs (so maybe half sized glyphs)
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... etc.
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... then use that to get right sized horizontal glyphs
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... up to browser how to get these in
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zakim, mute DavidClarke
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DavidClarke should now be muted
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... solution should say something like "if you have a mechanism such x-and-y opentype feature"
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s/such/such as/
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addison: auto TCY unlikely
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richard: intro to unicode: shouldn't use zenkaku characters?
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... will probably change what I say
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richard: john d was looking for support
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... if anyone interested, might want to read thread
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"10 apr 2013"
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Charmod-Norm" taken up [from aphillip]
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http://www.w3.org/International/docs/charmod-norm/
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"Searching and Matching Textual Content"
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norbert: identifiers vs. natural language text: make clear in chapter titles
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Have to leave. Bye.
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-matial
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Topic: AOB?
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-DavidClarke
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-aphillip
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-Norbert
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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zakim, drop richard
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Richard is being disconnected
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-Richard
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-JcK
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I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +44.141.888.aaaa, +972.5.424.5aabb, +1.617.245.aacc, Norbert, Richard, aphillip, JcK, +44.141.888.aadd, aharon, matial, DavidClarke
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zakim, bye
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