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19:59:44 <jamesn> zakim, this is WAI_HTML
19:59:44 <Zakim> sorry, jamesn, I do not see a conference named 'WAI_HTML' in progress or scheduled at this time
19:59:58 <jamesn> zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
19:59:58 <Zakim> ok, jamesn; that matches WAI_WCAG()4:00PM
20:00:18 <jamesn> Meeting: HTML5 & ARIA Technqiues for WCAG
20:00:27 <jamesn> rrsagent, make log world
20:00:37 <jamesn> chair: James_Nurthen
20:00:48 <jamesn> regrets Detlev
20:00:54 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
20:00:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
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20:01:28 <jamesn> zakim, aaaa is Paul_Adam
20:01:28 <Zakim> +Paul_Adam; got it
20:02:50 <jamesn> regrets+ Detlev
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20:05:51 <Zakim> +Adam_Solomon; got it
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20:06:03 <Loretta> zakim, Google is Loretta
20:06:03 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
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20:07:40 <jamesn> zakim, pick a victim
20:07:40 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Adam_Solomon
20:08:07 <jamesn> scribe:adam_solomon
20:08:17 <jamesn> F63: Failure of Success Criterion 2.4.4 due to providing link context only in content that is not related to the link
20:08:25 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130628ttf/results#xlabel
20:08:31 <Zakim> +Jon_Gunderson
20:08:46 <adam_solomon> topic: F63
20:09:51 <adam_solomon> making edit to expected results
20:10:49 <adam_solomon> ua notes should be left in the meantime
20:11:34 <adam_solomon> loretta: while in discussion helpful to have testing data , for publishing maybe reduce them
20:15:24 <adam_solomon> james: ua notes more appropriate for sufficient technique as opposed to failure
20:16:19 <adam_solomon> loretta: if we have a technique for aria-label or labelledby then the notes should be moved there
20:18:29 <adam_solomon> james: should we now remove the motes from the failure? or write "see the related ua notes from ...
20:19:17 <adam_solomon> james: changed accordingly
20:20:10 <adam_solomon> re: paul's comment about table header context
20:21:20 <adam_solomon> loretta: test for failure relying on sufficient technique text (not so good)
20:21:47 <adam_solomon> loretta: check #1 isn't so great
20:22:44 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/F63
20:22:57 <adam_solomon> james: current f63 says the same in check #1
20:23:17 <adam_solomon> loretta: nevertheless not good language
20:24:06 <adam_solomon> jon: suggest using aria property instead of header for context
20:24:27 <adam_solomon> loretta: still need a testable procedure
20:27:03 <adam_solomon> paul: what ever is mentioned in the sufficient technique can then be tested for in the failure
20:27:37 <adam_solomon> james: so table header option should be added to f63 in the test
20:28:05 <adam_solomon> paul: we would then have to update failure every time technique changes
20:28:34 <adam_solomon> loretta: more general failure test advisable
20:30:24 <adam_solomon> james: step #2 can cover table header option, so we can leave step #1 alone
20:31:45 <adam_solomon> paul: step 1 should cover all non-aria, while step 2 covers aria
20:32:25 <adam_solomon> james: should avoid editing steps unless absolutely necessary
20:35:45 <adam_solomon> resolution: editing step 1 to add table headers
20:37:41 <adam_solomon> topic: F65
20:38:52 <adam_solomon> james: aria-labelledby - should be in the test
20:38:57 <adam_solomon> paul: ditto
20:39:14 <Zakim> + +1.425.456.aabb
20:39:20 <adam_solomon> james: add it to the list? or make the test generic?
20:39:39 <jamesn> zakim, aabb is Robin
20:39:39 <Zakim> +Robin; got it
20:40:01 <adam_solomon> jon: if role is presentation does it need alt?
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20:42:54 <adam_solomon> james adding comment  re: aria-labelledby, role=presentation, aria-hidden, etc.
20:43:59 <adam_solomon> james: we can add general wording to (title) that the scope is content (not hidden or presentation)
20:44:37 <adam_solomon> james: would be relevant about all failures
20:46:06 <adam_solomon> james: aria-hidden generally used for elements not visible on the page
20:47:02 <adam_solomon> jon: use case could be hiding inaccessible version of page
20:47:42 <adam_solomon> paul: aria-hidden doesn't always work
20:48:09 <adam_solomon> james: for focusable stuff it would be overridden
20:49:15 <adam_solomon> james; what about raising this issue on a larger level (not just for this failure)
20:49:38 <Loretta> scribe: Loretta
20:49:44 <Zakim> -Adam_Solomon
20:49:48 <jamesn> ACTION: james to raise to WCAG issue of hidden content and failure techniques
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20:51:43 <Loretta> Resolution: leave open to handle role-presentation, accessible naming mechanisms (including aria-labelledby)
20:52:12 <Loretta> Topic: F59
20:53:52 <Loretta> Title changed per Loretta's comment.
20:54:03 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA-edit:_F59:_Failure_of_Success_Criterion_4.1.2_due_to_using_script_to_make_div_or_span_a_user_interface_control_in_HTML_without_providing_a_role_for_the_control
20:55:50 <Loretta> Add ARIA role technique to Related Techniques.
20:56:45 <Loretta> Resolution: send to WG for review.
20:58:05 <Loretta> People are encouraged to complete more techniques.
20:58:25 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA#Ready_for_WG_Review
21:00:26 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
21:00:32 <Zakim> -Paul_Adam
21:00:50 <Zakim> -Loretta
21:00:51 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
21:00:54 <Zakim> -Robin
21:00:56 <Zakim> -James_nurthen
21:00:57 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
21:00:57 <Zakim> Attendees were James_nurthen, +1.254.247.aaaa, Paul_Adam, Adam_Solomon, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, Jon_Gunderson, +1.425.456.aabb, Robin
21:01:57 <Loretta> rrsagent, create minutes
21:01:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-html-techs-tf-minutes.html Loretta
21:02:42 <Loretta> zakim, please part
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21:02:50 <Loretta> rrsagent, please part
21:02:50 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-html-techs-tf-actions.rdf :
21:02:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: james to raise to WCAG issue of hidden content and failure techniques [1]
21:02:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-html-techs-tf-irc#T20-49-48