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16:02:33 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:02:33 <trackbot> Date: 27 June 2013
16:02:41 <Zakim> +Plh
16:02:51 <Zakim> +MartinSoukup
16:04:03 <Zakim> +[Apple]
16:04:09 <hober> Zakim, Apple has me
16:04:09 <Zakim> +hober; got it
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16:04:16 <Zakim> +??P1
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16:04:25 <janina_> zakim, ??P1 is me
16:04:25 <Zakim> +janina_; got it
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16:04:50 <Zakim> +MarkS
16:05:02 <mjs> hi all
16:05:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:05:33 <chaals> zakim, [ip is me
16:05:33 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
16:05:55 <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aaaa
16:06:08 <chaals> zakim, aaaa is maciej
16:06:08 <Zakim> +maciej; got it
16:06:10 <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aaaa is me
16:06:10 <Zakim> sorry, mjs, I do not recognize a party named '+1.415.595.aaaa'
16:06:14 <plh> scribe: plh
16:06:26 <plh> Regrets: Daniel
16:06:32 <plh> Regrets+ Paul
16:06:34 <plh> Regrets+ Sam
16:06:39 <mjs> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML%20WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
16:06:44 <plh> Topic: New Issues this week
16:06:58 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
16:07:03 <plh> --> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22043 BUG 22043
16:07:05 <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft.aa is me
16:07:05 <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
16:08:03 <plh> Maciej: will look for recommendations before moving
16:08:15 <plh> Topic: Test TF report
16:08:24 <chaals> Present+ chaals
16:08:25 <plh> Kris: not much going this week. meet again next Tuesday.
16:08:30 <plh> ... on #testing
16:08:52 <plh> Topic: A11y TF report
16:09:20 <plh> Charles: we have questions regarding the CfC on CR exit criteria
16:09:36 <plh> ... we seem to be held to extremelly high standard if we say something is not interoperable
16:09:46 <chaals> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jun/0071.html
16:09:50 <plh> ... the semantics of the ARIA part of HTML aren't interoperable
16:10:02 <plh> ... and the question is: how much evidence do you really need?
16:10:18 <plh> ... depending on the answer, we may need more time
16:10:49 <plh> Janina: providing of non-interop is really rather difficult, you can provide instances
16:10:57 <plh> ... so proving the negative was the basis of the concern
16:11:35 <plh> ... and the other thing that was a bit vexing was that the bar for marking something as green was a lot lower in the room in San Jose than it is now to unmark
16:11:46 <plh> ... we weren't in the room at that time
16:12:14 <plh> ... so, we're concerned that there is now a higher bar to unmark.
16:12:20 <plh> ... probably not intentional but that's what we see now
16:12:47 <plh> ... we're not asking for a decision on the flight here
16:13:10 <plh> ... we're walking through the spec where we think that are issues
16:13:28 <plh> ... and we're uncountering some portions that are marked are green and shouldn't
16:13:53 <plh> Maciej: thank you for reporting theses issues, we'll need to follow up by email.
16:14:13 <plh> Charles: we started to look at our work statement
16:14:29 <plh> Janina: we expect longdesc to come forward next week as well
16:14:40 <plh> Topic: Media TF report
16:14:49 <plh> Maciej: Paul isn't around. anyone else?
16:15:17 <plh> Maciej: let's skip then
16:15:19 <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft.a has me
16:15:19 <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
16:15:23 <plh> Topic: Other business
16:16:04 <mjs> CfC: remove Microdata from HTML 5.0, incorporate Microdata into 5.1,
16:16:04 <mjs>    publish Microdata doc as a W3C note
16:16:05 <mjs>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0000.html
16:16:06 <plh> Maciej: first is the CfC on Microdata
16:16:42 <plh> ... there were discussions and some pushback
16:17:00 <plh> ... on the basis that Microdata is widely used, but JS API is dropping
16:17:12 <plh> ... actual semantic and markup is deployed and used
16:17:29 <chaals> q+
16:17:33 <plh> ... Robin was facilitating some discussions about this topic
16:17:43 <mjs> ack chaals
16:17:43 <plh> ack c
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16:18:06 <plh> Charles: at this stage we would object to move Microdata into 5.1 or publish it as a Note
16:18:07 <plh> q+
16:18:25 <plh> ... we'd be happy to have it in 5.0, happy to drop the API
16:18:36 <plh> ... we're happy to provide editor resources
16:18:59 <Zakim> +Tantek
16:19:06 <tantek> Zakim, mute Tantek
16:19:06 <Zakim> Tantek should now be muted
16:19:19 <plh> s/we're happy/we recognize the need/
16:19:20 <tantek> (sorry a bit late to call)
16:19:31 <chaals> s/we're happy/we recognise that there is a need/
16:19:51 <plh> plh: Microdata is not part of 5.0
16:20:12 <plh> ... are you proposing to put it back?
16:20:29 <plh> Charles: would be nice but recognize there might be pushback
16:20:48 <plh> plh: indeed, I'd think we would pushback
16:21:00 <tantek> zakim, unmute tantek
16:21:00 <Zakim> Tantek should no longer be muted
16:21:26 <plh> Tantek: continuing as a standalonge document seems fine to me
16:21:33 <krisk> q+
16:21:39 <chaals> ack pl
16:21:40 <plh> ... understanding there is sufficient interest and resources to push it along
16:21:45 <chaals> ack kr
16:22:07 <chaals> q+
16:22:12 <plh> Kris: do we have consensus to remove the JS portion of Microdata?
16:22:17 <plh> Maciej: it's a standalone document
16:22:39 <plh> ... if we want to remove the JS portion, that would require a difference CfC
16:23:05 <plh> Charles: I'd be happy to propose that we make one
16:23:15 <plh> plh: +1
16:23:17 <plh> Kris: +1
16:23:22 <plh> Tantek: +1
16:23:35 <plh> Maciej: I'll bring it to the other Chairs
16:23:55 <tantek> just wanted to confirm this proposal is for 5.1
16:24:10 <plh> ... and the remainder will still be under discussion (ie standalone or 5.1)
16:24:21 <plh> Charles: seems would stay as standalone
16:24:44 <plh> Maciej: would remain an open question for the moment
16:25:49 <tantek> q+ re: charter
16:26:14 <plh> plh: due to calendaring, don't expect progress on the charter before mid-July
16:26:14 <mjs> ack
16:26:14 <chaals> q-
16:26:16 <mjs> ack
16:26:19 <plh> ack t
16:26:19 <Zakim> tantek, you wanted to discuss charter
16:26:53 <plh> Tantek: a few calls ago, I requested if you could ask folks to file their reason for their FO publically
16:27:01 <plh> ... to see if we can resolve them
16:28:39 <plh> plh: I still expect to make progress on them
16:29:02 <plh> Tantek, btw, see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2013AprJun/0077.html
16:29:13 <plh> Topic: Next meeting
16:29:19 <plh> Maciej: next week is canceled
16:29:26 <plh> ... so next meeting is July 11
16:29:56 <plh> ... any volunteer to scribe?
16:30:13 <plh> [none heard]
16:30:20 <krisk> I might be able to scribe
16:30:28 <chaals> [krisk++]
16:30:33 <plh> [adjourned]
16:30:37 <Zakim> -MartinSoukup
16:30:38 <Zakim> -chaals
16:30:38 <Zakim> -[Apple]
16:30:40 <Zakim> -MarkS
16:30:41 <Zakim> -jaymunro
16:30:42 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
16:30:43 <Zakim> -Plh
16:30:44 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
16:30:44 <Zakim> -Tantek
16:30:45 <Zakim> -janina_
16:30:48 <Zakim> -maciej
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16:31:20 <plh> zakim, drop Microsoft
16:31:20 <Zakim> [Microsoft] is being disconnected
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16:31:22 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, Plh, MartinSoukup, hober, janina_, MarkS, [IPcaller], chaals, +1.415.595.aaaa, maciej, jaymunro, Eliot, Tantek
16:31:25 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:31:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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