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13:21:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
13:21:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:21:11 <trackbot> Date: 26 June 2013
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13:32:25 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:32:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see davidsloan (muted), silvia_mirri (muted), annika (muted), christos, Shadi
13:32:41 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
13:32:51 <christos> christos, mute me
13:32:51 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: christos (95%), Shadi (28%)
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13:33:43 <shadi> regrets: Simon, Yeliz, Giorgio, Klaus, Mark, Markel, Kerstin
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13:35:40 <shadi> scribe: David
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13:36:00 <shadi> agenda?
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13:36:41 <shadi> Topic: New Charter
13:37:14 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/charter4
13:37:20 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
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13:37:50 <davidsloan> comments from previous discussion have been incorporated into updated draft - now under review by W3C management and advisory committee. Likely to be some requests for change.
13:38:14 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:38:14 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:38:29 <davidsloan> may require further group discussion to deal with requests. Charter should be in place by 1st July so fast turnaround required
13:38:34 <davidsloan> zakim, mute me
13:38:34 <Zakim> davidsloan was already muted, davidsloan
13:39:08 <davidsloan> feedback from group on frequency of symposia - 3 or 4 per year?
13:39:16 <Vivienne> it all seemed okay to me when I read it
13:39:28 <Vivienne> I'd rather be safe and say 3
13:39:38 <silvia_mirri> I agree with Vivienne
13:40:00 <davidsloan> yehya - organising symposia is a lot of work, so going up to 4 is a significant extra activity
13:40:50 <davidsloan> shadi - 3 symposia might be too restrictive in terms of subjects covered
13:40:51 <Justin> +1
13:41:28 <annika> q+
13:41:36 <annika> zakim, acc me
13:41:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'acc me', annika
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13:41:49 <davidsloan> justin - is it possible to include a conditional premise on number of symposia - e.g. "4 if time allows"
13:42:47 <davidsloan> annika - we are moving towards a scientific conference structure for soliciting, reviewing and accepting papers - maybe review this to reduce effort required?
13:43:17 <davidsloan> annika - could we experiment with different formats?
13:43:25 <annika> zakim, mute me
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13:44:17 <shadi> Topic: User Modeling Symposium Update
13:44:21 <christos> zakim, ack me
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13:44:22 <Zakim> I see annika on the speaker queue
13:44:31 <annika> q-
13:44:43 <davidsloan> yehya - we have 8 papers, reviewed by scientific committee, all accepted
13:44:44 <christos> zakim, mute me
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13:45:09 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:46:10 <davidsloan> yehya, christos - query from authors about upload process of final versions of submissions. shadi - Simon might be able to advise
13:47:25 <davidsloan> q+
13:48:36 <davidsloan> shadi - need to ensure that authors submit final rtf or doc fomat papers; symposium organisers should generate clean, valid, accessible HTML from these
13:50:12 <davidsloan> zakim, ack me
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13:50:13 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:51:06 <shadi> david: for text customization we asked people to send contributions to the mailing list
13:51:17 <shadi> ...this way it has a referenceable UR I
13:51:44 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2013/user-modeling/#participate
13:53:15 <shadi> ...looked at the contribution and assessed where we can fit them within the flow of the symposium
13:53:29 <christos> zakim, mute me
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13:54:00 <shadi> ...introduced points at logical points in the symposium
13:54:16 <shadi> ...also clarified that these are additional non-reviewed contributions
13:54:26 <shadi> ...to make sure it is clear to listeners
13:54:38 <shadi> ...but to allow them to introduce their points
13:55:03 <shadi> ...important to brief the authors about when we expect their input
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13:55:32 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:55:36 <davidsloan> zakim, mute me
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13:57:28 <davidsloan> shadi - good to encourage additional email contributions from knowledgeable people in the field
13:58:26 <davidsloan> shadi - additional contributions should help symposium achieve its objectives
13:59:16 <davidsloan> TC4R did not have a break - it carried on for 3 hours, IIRC
14:00:35 <davidsloan> shadi - participation for more than 2 hours can lead to concentration lapses
14:01:05 <davidsloan> ...but need enough time to allow each author to contribute adequately
14:01:20 <christos> zakim, ack me
14:01:20 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:03:09 <davidsloan> shadi - formulating questions - helpful to brief authors in advance
14:03:22 <davidsloan> zakim, ack me
14:03:22 <Zakim> unmuting davidsloan
14:03:23 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
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14:08:31 <christos> zakim, mute me
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14:08:37 <christos> zakim, ack me
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14:08:38 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:08:56 <christos> problems
14:09:00 <christos> with the audio
14:10:10 <davidsloan> christos - can encourage people to use the public email list to continue discussion after the symposium, if time runs out
14:12:27 <shadi> Topic: Text Customisation W3C Note Status
14:12:40 <davidsloan> zakim, ack me
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14:12:41 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
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14:14:16 <davidsloan> TC4R note - progress has been slow, but davidsloan and shawn to meet soon to agree deadline for delivering draft for review by the group
14:14:34 <Justin> travelling again?
14:14:38 <Vivienne> ack me
14:14:54 <Justin> toodles
14:14:57 <annika> bye
14:14:58 <silvia_mirri> you too
14:14:59 <Vivienne> bye
14:14:59 <silvia_mirri> bye
14:14:59 <Zakim> -Yehya
14:15:01 <Zakim> -christos
14:15:03 <Zakim> -annika
14:15:08 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:15:08 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:15:08 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been davidsloan, silvia_mirri, annika, christos, Shadi, Yehya, Justin, Vivienne
14:15:11 <Zakim> -Vivienne
14:15:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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14:15:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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