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11:45:40 <fsasaki> meeting: MLW-LT WG
11:45:42 <fsasaki> chair: felix
11:45:55 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0102.html
11:46:10 <fsasaki> present+ felix
11:46:22 <fsasaki> topic: roll call
11:46:27 <fsasaki> checking attendance ...
11:46:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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11:54:01 <fsasaki> " order to make it easy to integrate ITS markup into schemas based on W3C XML Schema language the following informative schemas are provided:"
11:54:06 <fsasaki> "In order to make it easy to integrate ITS markup into schemas based on W3C XML Schema language the following informative schemas are provided:"
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12:03:11 <fsasaki> scribe: daveL
12:03:12 <daveL> scribe: daveL
12:03:48 <fsasaki> regrets+ tadej
12:03:58 <fsasaki> agenda is here http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0102.html
12:04:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
12:04:32 <omstefanov> unless I missed something it appears that the implementation conformance list has only green OK entries. if so, congrats, everyone.
12:04:56 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0102.html
12:05:13 <fsasaki> topic: Conflicts between paramters
12:05:15 <daveL> no comments on agenda
12:05:20 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/130
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12:06:27 <daveL> renat had asked about precdence of its:params
12:06:32 <Ankit> present+ Ankit
12:06:45 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0103.html
12:06:50 <daveL> felix: jirka confirmed the precedence rules as already defined
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12:06:58 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selection-precedence
12:07:07 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#html5-selection-precedence
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12:07:15 <daveL> ... but pointed out that the behaviour in the case of clashing parameter names was not addressed
12:07:16 <fsasaki> "In case of conflicts between global selections via multiple rules elements or conflicts between multiple param elements with the same name, the last rule or last param element has higher precedence."
12:07:29 <leroy> present+ leroy
12:08:02 <daveL> jirka: agrees proposal is fine
12:08:07 <daveL> yves: agrees also
12:08:23 <fsasaki> issue-130 can be closed with this edit
12:08:43 <fsasaki> topic: PR publication
12:08:51 <fsasaki> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0000.html
12:09:17 <omstefanov_2> felix, I can't open this ...
12:09:26 <omstefanov_2> could I get it in a temp way?
12:09:33 <fsasaki> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0002.html
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12:10:12 <fsasaki> "5. Evidence That Dependencies With Other Groups Met:"
12:10:27 <daveL> felix: this is a formal email communicating our activities to presenting spec for next stage
12:10:35 <daveL> ... one issue
12:10:35 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/dom.html#phrasing-content
12:10:41 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/dom.html#the-translate-attribute
12:10:55 <pnietoca> present+ pnietoca
12:11:01 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-mlw-lt-minutes#item04
12:11:10 <daveL> ... we use references from HTML5.1 definitions at above URLs
12:11:19 <daveL> ... as recommended in this call.
12:11:59 <daveL> ... but the issue is that all normative references are reocmmendations, but HTML5 and HTML5.1 are not yet recommendation
12:12:19 <daveL> ... this is a common unsolved problems with many specs that refernce HTML5
12:12:30 <daveL> ... but there is a workaround.
12:13:00 <daveL> ... workaround involves stating that the implementation is stable based on test results
12:14:01 <daveL> ... so that in PR phase that the HTML5 draft uses to phrasing (already in place) and translate definitions from html5.1
12:14:36 <daveL> jorg: is this the usual approach in w3c
12:15:40 <daveL> felix: usually we try and avoid these issues, but we are the same as some other groups that we need such a reference
12:16:48 <daveL> felix: our task is then to get that stability in HTML5
12:17:17 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20-implementation-report.html#Translateconformance-overview
12:18:17 <daveL> ... so we go to HTML WG with above evidence of working implementations
12:18:40 <daveL> dave: how quick might they respond?
12:19:10 <daveL> felix: hope they will respond and make changes in 4 weeks, so its really workload on HTML5 editor
12:19:48 <daveL> dave: do you think any in HMTL5 WG will disagree
12:20:29 <daveL> felix: don't think so since main resolution of topics is based on working impelmentations at this stage in the HMTL5 WG
12:20:44 <fsasaki> topic: Vote for PR publication
12:21:27 <daveL> jorg: letter need to have pub date corrected, currently 'jun 2'
12:22:14 <daveL> jirka: another point, in spec we are inconsistent in typogrpahic changes
12:22:44 <daveL> felix: dave, david and i have called scheduled with w3c managmeent on friday
12:22:53 <daveL> jirka: will aim to correct this beofre then
12:23:56 <daveL> felix; call for vote of progress to next stage
12:24:10 <fsasaki> s/felix;/felix:/
12:24:11 <daveL> ... publishing proposed recommendation draft
12:24:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
12:24:46 <daveL> christian: procedural question, do we have a quorum for a vote?
12:25:18 <daveL> felix: we have 9 people on call, but there is not a formal number required on the call
12:25:40 <daveL> ... but will mail list say the result of the call and giving 48 hour to voice opinion
12:26:13 <daveL> christian: would like to abstain
12:26:24 <daveL> dF: is it a vote or cencensus
12:26:41 <daveL> felix: we aim for consensus
12:26:50 <daveL> dF: vote to publish
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12:27:16 <daveL> des: asks is 2 implementaitons is a pre-requisite for the vote
12:27:32 <daveL> felix; not for the vote, but can't move forward without this
12:27:35 <Pedro> present+ Pedro
12:27:45 <fsasaki>  http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20-implementation-report.html
12:28:40 <daveL> ... but we have at least two implementations tested for each feature, whcih is sufficient to progress
12:28:56 <daveL> ... which doens't count implementation committments
12:29:04 <daveL> ... note yet tested
12:29:08 <Ankit> +1
12:29:11 <leroy> +1
12:29:14 <daveL> +1
12:29:15 <Des> +1
12:29:15 <Yves_> +1 for publication
12:29:15 <dF> +1
12:29:15 <pnietoca> +1
12:29:20 <joerg> +1
12:29:35 <fsasaki> action: felix to write mail to public list making people aware of vote for PR
12:29:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-551 - Write mail to public list making people aware of vote for PR [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-07-03].
12:29:53 <daveL> felix: asks for people to vote +1 on IRC for publishing
12:29:54 <fsasaki> deadline for comments: Friday 1 p.m. UTC
12:30:07 <omstefanov_2> +1 (if public members count)
12:30:28 <fsasaki> topic: Adobe presentation of current state of implementation
12:30:45 <daveL> topic: presentation from adobe on current implementation
12:31:13 <daveL> des:
12:31:36 <daveL> ... update on presentation from last month
12:32:47 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'draft minutes'
12:32:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
12:33:37 <daveL> des: implementation based on apache jackrabbit sling layer
12:33:58 <daveL> ... future work will have authoring in upper layers
12:34:40 <daveL> .. integrated okapi into sling, just started impelmentaiton, with translate
12:35:12 <daveL> ... shows early demo via screen share
12:38:19 <daveL> ... shows sling/jcr content management and import html file with ITs annotations
12:39:15 <daveL> ... where jcr exposes document node structure
12:40:40 <daveL> -- sling allows integration of servelt for specific processing through manipulation of URL, i.e. adding an 'its'  element to URL
12:41:38 <daveL> ... also offers a json mapping
12:43:03 <daveL> ... shows remaining timeline, on track for planned completion date, will include XLIFF support
12:43:49 <daveL> ... plan to submit source to apache
12:45:46 <daveL> felix: asks to clarify where the meta-data is created
12:46:49 <daveL> des: meta-data gets expanded at the input stage, i.e. where the rules are evaluated, so the global rule are parsed and applied to the JCR rerpesentation
12:47:31 <daveL> felix: suggest that in demo have one person creating the rule and another creating the content
12:48:16 <fsasaki> daveL: will we also support external rules?
12:48:32 <fsasaki> des: yes, external to the file
12:48:38 <daveL> dave: are you planning to include extern rules files
12:48:43 <fsasaki> .. that is what we will support. It will not be external to the system
12:52:09 <omstefanov_2> thanks, Des. Nice presentation
12:52:12 <fsasaki> topic: Next steps in July
12:52:28 <daveL> felix: we had schedule init presentaiton, but sebastian is not on call, will follow up next week
12:53:00 <daveL> felix: hope that frmo next week onward we can open up call to ITS IG for discuss best practice discussions
12:53:01 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/
12:53:23 <daveL> ... asks if this is ok with everyone
12:53:43 <dF> +1
12:53:50 <fsasaki> action: felix to prepare ITS IG for minute taking etc.
12:53:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-552 - Prepare ITS IG for minute taking etc. [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-07-03].
12:53:58 <daveL> dave; asks if minutes then under IG wiki
12:54:08 <daveL> fewlis: yes
12:54:44 <daveL> felix: if everything goes Ok, PR stage will end end july into august
12:55:04 <daveL> ... so in dublin we mentioned preparing some showcase recordings
12:55:34 <daveL> ... and if anyone has guidelines to prepare these (christian mentioned he might have some)
12:56:09 <daveL> felix; asks jorg if he could introduce IG call to interoperability now initiative.
12:56:17 <daveL> jorg: agrees
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12:56:36 <daveL> felix: aob
12:57:09 <daveL> pedro: for IG will eveyone on WG list need to move themselves to IG
12:57:13 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/
12:57:18 <omstefanov_2> does this include persons such we me?
12:57:34 <daveL> felix; no, i have taken the liberty of moving everyone to IG
12:57:48 <omstefanov_2> thanks, Felix!
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12:58:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
13:12:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
13:22:25 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-actions.rdf :
13:22:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix to write mail to public list making people aware of vote for PR [1]
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13:22:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix to prepare ITS IG for minute taking etc. [2]
13:22:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-irc#T12-53-50