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14:27:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
14:27:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started
14:27:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:27:41 <trackbot> Date: 20 June 2013
14:27:44 <olyerickson> I think I was heard/...
14:28:00 <bhyland> PROPOSED: We'll ask Ralph (acting as W3C Director) to waive the w3c Rec-Status requirement on normative references for OWL Time, since it's a de facto standard.    If he refuses, we'll go ahead and change the reference to being non-normative, with OWL Time as one suggested option.
14:28:01 <bhyland> +1
14:28:07 <Mike_Pendleton> +1
14:28:08 <PhilA2> +1
14:28:09 <olyerickson> The notes are accurate
14:28:09 <sandro> +1
14:28:14 <HadleyBeeman> +1
14:28:15 <DaveReynolds> +1
14:28:25 <bhyland> RESOLVED: We'll ask Ralph (acting as W3C Director) to waive the w3c Rec-Status requirement on normative references for OWL Time, since it's a de facto standard.    If he refuses, we'll go ahead and change the reference to being non-normative, with OWL Time as one suggested option.
14:28:58 <bhyland> Accepted last meeting's minutes, http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-30
14:29:02 <bhyland> TOPIC: DCAT
14:29:12 <olyerickson> I already have ;)
14:29:12 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Haven't yet heard from Fadi re: completion of the remaining work (estimated to be 20% effort) in relation to follow up responses.
14:29:12 <bhyland> bhyland @ 10:26
14:29:12 <bhyland> 
14:29:12 <bhyland> … expected to be done 2 weeks ago.  That is the only barrier to moving on two 2nd LC of DCAT … apologies.
14:29:38 <bhyland> ACTION: Olyerickson to ping Fadi about completing follow up responses so we can move to 2nd LC of DCAT.
14:29:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-144 - Ping Fadi about completing follow up responses so we can move to 2nd LC of DCAT. [on John Erickson - due 2013-06-27].
14:30:49 <olyerickson> AFAIK there were no "substantive" issues
14:30:51 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Does not expect anything to be any blockers on DCAT going to 2nd LC. Anticipate there will be responses but nothing substantial is expected.
14:31:03 <olyerickson> Not from me!
14:31:10 <bhyland> TOPIC: LD Glossary
14:31:12 <bhyland> 	1.	LD Glossary and review of 5 Star Linked Data and 5 Star Linked Open Data definitions, please seehttps://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html
14:33:07 <HadleyBeeman> scribe: hadleybeeman
14:34:04 <HadleyBeeman> bhyland:  background:  people in the field are talking about 5 star linked data and 5 star linked open data (with open licensing).
14:35:14 <HadleyBeeman> … In May, we talked about having those two separate definitions.
14:35:42 <HadleyBeeman> … I've realised we've been confusing linked *open* data and linked data (on the public Web, but not openly licensed)
14:35:56 <PhilA> q+
14:36:01 <HadleyBeeman> … The second set isn't 5 star open data.
14:36:48 <HadleyBeeman> Sandro:  It's fine to have both these entries.  Readers may be confused with these as they are.  i suggest:  under 5-star linked open data, explain that a variant of this is...
14:37:44 <olyerickson> Q+
14:37:52 <PhilA> ack me
14:37:52 <bhyland> ack sandro
14:37:53 <HadleyBeeman> ack sandro
14:38:40 <bhyland> Sandro: Could live with either one but carve out the definition in paragraph form to show the differences.
14:39:04 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA:  the upcoming Data Best Practices working group will work on this.  This is helping, but will be examined in detail probably next year
14:39:14 <bhyland> PhilA: It is healthy to talk about it now but we don't need to solve it today because the future BP group will handle it
14:39:27 <bhyland> q?
14:39:28 <PhilA> zakim, mute me
14:39:28 <Zakim> Phila should now be muted
14:39:29 <HadleyBeeman> scribe: bhyland
14:39:29 <bhyland> q+
14:39:35 <HadleyBeeman> ack olyerickson
14:41:47 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Would prefer to have 5 Star Linked Open Data definition (#2) remain and then reference use of LD principles in the enterprise as 5 Star Linked Data.
14:41:50 <BenediktKaempgen> q+
14:42:45 <atemezin> +1 to Olyerickson point regarding this topic
14:43:43 <PhilA> Bernadette is right - we need the glossary, people are asking for it
14:44:24 <PhilA> zakim, unmute me
14:44:24 <Zakim> Phila should no longer be muted
14:44:31 <bhyland> q?
14:44:35 <bhyland> ack bhyland
14:46:04 <HadleyBeeman> q+
14:46:10 <bhyland> Phil: Prefers to keep the 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and then specify that if you're publishing in a closed world, here is what you remove.
14:46:20 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to philA
14:46:22 <HadleyBeeman> -q
14:46:24 <DaveReynolds> +1 to PhilA stick as closely to what is already published
14:46:30 <olyerickson> +1 to stopping this thread ;)
14:46:44 <deirdrelee_> q+
14:46:57 <PhilA> zakim, mute me
14:46:57 <Zakim> Phila should now be muted
14:46:58 <bhyland> Propose: Keeping 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and adding exclusions if publishing in a closed world.
14:47:10 <BenediktKaempgen> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
14:48:16 <bhyland> +1
14:48:33 <sandro> +1
14:48:57 <olyerickson> I would add: publishing with SOME explicit expression of rights/terms, even if not "open," is strongly recommended.
14:49:04 <PhilA> +1
14:49:13 <DaveReynolds> +1
14:49:17 <HadleyBeeman> +1
14:49:25 <BenediktKaempgen> +1
14:49:28 <Mike_Pendleton> +1
14:49:33 <deirdrelee_> q?
14:49:41 <BenediktKaempgen> q-
14:49:48 <bhyland> RESOLVED: Keeping 5 Star Linked Open Data definition and adding exclusions if publishing in a closed world.
14:49:55 <bhyland> q?
14:50:04 <deirdrelee_> http://5stardata.info/
14:50:59 <olyerickson> To reinforce: it's not about open vs no license, but open license vs some other terms vs no explicit terms
14:51:37 <HadleyBeeman> Topic: Data Cube UCR
14:51:55 <BenediktKaempgen> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/data-cube-ucr/index.html
14:52:13 <bhyland> yes
14:52:14 <PhilA> I admit that I haven't responded to BenediktKaempgen's mail. I apologise, but I have confidence that the issues have been addressed
14:52:52 <DaveReynolds> haven't had a chance to re-read, sorry
14:52:55 <bhyland> Benedikt: PhilA and DaveReynolds were the reviewers & gave comments.  Benedikt has responded.
14:53:38 <deirdrelee_> ack deirdrelee
14:54:11 <james> loop is closed for me!
14:54:50 <bhyland> ACTION: Benedikt to continue pinging reviewers for Data Cube UCR until they complete review of most recent doc.
14:54:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-145 - Continue pinging reviewers for Data Cube UCR until they complete review of most recent doc. [on Benedikt Kaempgen - due 2013-06-27].
14:56:08 <bhyland> Hadley: Please take request for Data Cube UCR as WG Note to email with chairs.
14:56:14 <bhyland> … If Benedikt can get reviewers to complete review, we anticipate WG Note publication can be completed during the anticipated extension phase.
14:56:18 <bhyland> TOPIC: DCAT UCR
14:57:22 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Understood this to be more work than the GLD WG could complete given our resources at this time. We don't expect it to become a WG Note at this time….
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14:57:34 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?
14:57:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, DaveReynolds, deirdrelee, Phila (muted), BenediktKaempgen, james, Mike_Pendleton, Sandro, HadleyBeeman, [IPcaller], martinA (muted)
14:57:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see PhilA2, RRSAgent, deirdrelee_, HadleyBeeman, Mike_Pendleton, james, BenediktKaempgen, bhyland, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, PhilA, martinA, DaveReynolds,
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14:59:20 <bhyland> Olyerickson: We expect for DCAT UCR to be remain artifact of this WG but have no official standing.  It preceded the work of this WG.
14:59:54 <DaveReynolds> Agreed, don't make it a note, leave it on the wiki, no more.
14:59:59 <bhyland> +1
15:00:18 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-23
15:00:52 <Zakim> -james
15:02:00 <olyerickson> I gotta go
15:02:09 <olyerickson> UCR
15:02:13 <olyerickson> okay
15:02:15 <HadleyBeeman> PROPOSED: to reorient the DCAT UCR to be a "helpful note" including some of the use cases and examples.  On the wiki.
15:02:16 <olyerickson> +!0
15:02:20 <olyerickson> +1
15:02:23 <bhyland> +1
15:02:30 <sandro> +1 just to save time
15:02:32 <PhilA2> Sounds right to me given time and resources
15:02:34 <olyerickson>  Gotta go go another meeting
15:02:34 <atemezin> +1
15:02:35 <DaveReynolds> -0 what's a "helpful note"?
15:02:44 <sandro> a wiki page.
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15:02:57 <bhyland> Resolved: DCAT UCR to be a helpful note as an artifact of this WG, but has no official standing.
15:03:00 <DaveReynolds> Suggest, gain, leave it on the WIki . Not a "Note"
15:03:11 <bhyland> +1
15:03:47 <PhilA2> thanks
15:03:49 <DaveReynolds> bye all
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15:03:52 <Zakim> -bhyland
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15:03:56 <BenediktKaempgen> bye
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15:04:02 <atemezin> bye
15:04:09 <bhyland> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
15:04:20 <bhyland> RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:04:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-gld-minutes.html bhyland
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