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07:18:34 <fsasaki> meeting: BPMLOD
07:18:55 <fsasaki> chair: DomJorgeJose
07:19:14 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpmlod/2013Jun/0004.html
07:19:55 <fsasaki> present: dom, felix, chaals, john, jorge, jose, michale, sebastianH, sebastianS, tatiana
07:20:00 <fsasaki> topic: meeting setup
07:20:36 <fsasaki> we discussed to use gotomeeting for the phone bridge and IRC for scribing. Self introductions have been sent to the list
07:20:42 <fsasaki> topic: topic classification
07:20:47 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Topic_classification
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07:22:24 <fsasaki> dom: like to have a telco for each topic. Want to publish that as a white paper on best practices
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07:25:48 <fsasaki> discussing http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Topic_classification
07:26:10 <fsasaki> dave: development of topics vs. development of use cases - how to manage that?
07:26:41 <fsasaki> jose: list of topics is a dynamic part. use cases is seperate
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07:26:54 <fsasaki> .. tools can be links to implementation
07:27:14 <fsasaki> ..  in rome people suggested that we talk about these aspects, that is why I put it here
07:27:22 <fsasaki> dave: agree, localization can be an important use case
07:27:31 <fsasaki> .. so better put this as a use case rather than a topic
07:27:51 <fsasaki> .. question: about publishing - is this publishing of LOD or content in general?
07:28:02 <fsasaki> jose: multilingual publishing in general
07:28:13 <fsasaki> .. what is the relation between multilingual LOD and multilingual publishing
07:28:22 <fsasaki> dave: publishing of content is like a use case
07:28:35 <fsasaki> .. publishing of multilingual LOD is an important best practices
07:28:53 <fsasaki> .. here we can look into what comes out of META-NET and e.g. DCAT
07:29:04 <fsasaki> dcat see http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/
07:29:20 <fsasaki> meta-net see http://www.meta-net.eu/meta-share
07:29:32 <fsasaki> jose: so move these topics to use cases?
07:29:37 <fsasaki> dave, jorge agree
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07:30:19 <fsasaki> action: jose to move topics as discussed at http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-bpmlod-irc#T07-29-44
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07:31:41 <fsasaki> people on the call agre on the general items of the topic classification
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07:32:16 <fsasaki> topic: process of our group
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07:32:45 <fsasaki> sebastian: wrt to topics - will we also talk about organization aspects, licensing etc.
07:32:58 <fsasaki> dave: these might be best practices
07:34:09 <fsasaki> jorge: will not avoid these topics, but thinks like licensing that are general to linked open data will not be focus here
07:34:11 <fsasaki> jose: agree
07:34:49 <fsasaki> sebastianH: for licensing we can liase with open data / linguistic group
07:35:02 <fsasaki> http://linguistics.okfn.org/
07:35:08 <fsasaki> see above link
07:35:16 <fsasaki> sebastianS: licensing is just one aspect
07:35:30 <fsasaki> .. but there are other non technical aspects
07:35:34 <fsasaki> present+ phil
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07:36:59 <fsasaki> dom: licensing on multilingual LOD is interesting. focus here is technical. but having a section about licensing is ok, if people want to discuss that. Do people agree?
07:37:09 <fsasaki> jose: a section "non technical aspects"?
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07:37:43 <fsasaki> topic: topics again
07:37:51 <fsasaki> phil: we also want to drive adoption
07:38:16 <fsasaki> s/topic: topics again//
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07:38:47 <fsasaki> dave: agree. If we have pointers about non technical issues, that will help for adoption
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07:39:03 <fsasaki> dom: I will add in a non-technical aspects about licensing & legal issue
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07:39:20 <fsasaki> phil: do we have a target date for publishing?
07:39:26 <fsasaki> dom: depends on people avail.
07:39:34 <fsasaki> .. we plan a bi monthly meeting
07:39:55 <fsasaki> .. 4 months - aiming for an initial draft by fall this year
07:40:01 <fsasaki> phil: sounds good
07:41:11 <fsasaki> milestones here http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Main_Page
07:41:23 <fsasaki> dom&jorge: want to keep to these milestones
07:42:01 <fsasaki> michael: question on scope of group
07:42:19 <fsasaki> .. it is called "linked open data" - are we talking about "linked data" in general?
07:42:44 <fsasaki> dom: the charter says "Best Practices for Multilingual Linked (Open) Data (BP-MLOD)"
07:42:54 <fsasaki> .. "open" is in brackets
07:43:25 <fsasaki> .. I would hope that what we prouce can apply to both types of data sets
07:43:34 <fsasaki> jose: agree
07:43:36 <chaals> q+
07:44:28 <fsasaki> sebastian: "open" has various facets, e.g. "open access" via HTTP
07:44:57 <fsasaki> s/sebastian:/sebastianH:
07:45:01 <fsasaki> s/sebastian:/sebastianH:/
07:45:20 <fsasaki> sebastianH: that is different from "open" in the legal sense
07:45:34 <fsasaki> dom: will you add a paragraph on the charter about that?
07:45:40 <fsasaki> sebastianH: yes
07:45:57 <fsasaki> action: sebastianH to add a paragraph to the charter about what "open" means
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07:46:19 <fsasaki> see sebastianH docuemnt at http://de.slideshare.net/kurzum/linked-data-for-abbreviations-and-segmentation
07:46:52 <fsasaki> michael: will we have example data?
07:47:04 <fsasaki> jose: agree that this is a good approach, I often use a toy example
07:47:17 <fsasaki> .. in terms of implementation I'm not sure since we are a best practices group
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07:47:33 <fsasaki> michael: a BP which is theoretical is not helpful for me
07:50:08 <fsasaki> discussion about what we can do in terms of offical w3c standardization
07:50:16 <fsasaki> dom: let's do BP by autumn
07:50:30 <fsasaki> .. if people are then interest let's do examples, data, implementations
07:50:39 <fsasaki> dave: agree wrt to "update" mentioned by phil
07:50:50 <fsasaki> .. trying applying things is then helpful
07:52:53 <fsasaki> felix: how about having a section on the wiki with data examples
07:53:00 <fsasaki> .. these can help also veryfing the BP
07:53:17 <daveL> +1 on assembling examples as we go along
07:53:53 <fsasaki> chaals: problems that we can address wrt to what is open data and what is not open
07:54:14 <fsasaki> .. so we will not reject anything just because it does not conform to some definition of linked "open" data
07:54:25 <fsasaki> .. I'd hope that we describe from what people actually do
07:54:34 <fsasaki> .. should be looking at actual problems
07:54:39 <fsasaki> .. as the starting point
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07:55:55 <fsasaki> dom: topic classification is what we extracted from rome
07:56:07 <fsasaki> .. chaals, do you feel that it represents what people are doing?
07:56:12 <fsasaki> chaals: yes, as a first paas
07:56:25 <fsasaki> dom: so let's go with the idea to discuss each of these in the group
07:56:37 <fsasaki> .. idea of "open vs. not open" is a separate aspect
07:56:48 <daveL> +1 on driving work from what people are actually doing and on covering open and non-open
07:56:55 <fsasaki> .. will start a thread to discuss that so that it is scoped out
07:57:07 <fsasaki> action: dom to get wording about open vs not open in the charter
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07:57:43 <fsasaki> topic: action health check
07:57:56 <fsasaki> action: dom to set up doodle poll about meeting time
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07:58:18 <fsasaki> topic: aob
07:58:45 <fsasaki> jorge: we wanted to comment on how to deal with use cases collection and spec
07:59:10 <fsasaki> .. possible starting point could be: everybody can go to the wiki and put name on it
07:59:21 <fsasaki> .. next telco we have a list of use cases that we can refine
07:59:42 <fsasaki> dom: agree. Topic classification is clear, but use cases is to be created
08:00:12 <fsasaki> .. use cases page is now in wiki at http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Use_cases_definition
08:00:36 <fsasaki> action: jose to work on use case definition template and then send a mail out to the list
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08:01:01 <fsasaki> dom: next call we will review topic classifiation, will discuss use case definition, then following call will break topics down in a topic per call to work on them
08:01:07 <fsasaki> agreement on the call
08:01:11 <fsasaki> dom: aob?
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08:01:27 <fsasaki> dave: thanks a lot for the chairs for starting this?
08:01:37 <fsasaki> +1!
08:01:42 <fsasaki> dom: thanks to all for taking the call
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08:02:17 <fsasaki> dom: meeting adjourned, by all!
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