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<trackbot> Date: 18 June 2013
<MichaelC> scribe: Ryladog
<AWK> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130618/results
Agendum 1
LC-2770: Adding Caption First to Resources
AK; Funny buzzing
AK: GV and other worries about
vendors
... What do we want to decide as a policy
MC: As Loretta said we already do list vendors anyway. We probably need to move the list outside the doc.
KW: Do we have a process to vet vendors?
<greggvanderheiden> how about this
<greggvanderheiden> http://www.ncra.org/Membership/content.cfm?ItemNumber=9131&navItemNumber=11459
<greggvanderheiden> this is a listing -- so we don't have to list specific companies
AK: The link to search on the page GV isnt working
LGR: Vendors are listed where we specifically say we do not say anything about us being responsible
GV: Well the problem is that vendor say they are on the W3C list - and how come I am not there, etc
LGR: It clearly says we are not endorsing any vendor, and then has them below this
GV: But most folks dont check if one company says I am listed on the W3C
LGR: I thought there was no other way
GV: We could point to a page that says there are CART association would probably be best
AK: We could let the CaptionFirst
folks comment. I agree with Michael and find these mentions as
an action for some date in the future
... I do not have a strong feeling one way or the other about
this today
PK: Do we want to list folks w/o asking them?
Bruce on q
BB: This is not the time, this is a desperately needed resource - I would suggest we add this
LGR: David please add the Canadian resource
GV: I did a Google search of CART providers
LGR: If you want to put in a suggestion to do an internet search with their favorite search engine - for CART provider
AK: I would liek to not make this a bigger issue
<Loretta> Perhaps create a bullet item like we do for Web conferencing products and list the commercial pages below it?
AK: I propose we add Caption Fisrt to thislist, fix the link to the CART info .org and add an ACTION ITEM
<David> http://sovo-tech.com/
<scribe> ACTION: 2 months out - Decide how to list vendors [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
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AK: And add Canadian Vendors
<Loretta> Suggest we go back and update the response/actions to the issue...
RESOLUTION: Accept item 2770 as proposed
<greggvanderheiden> "for more information on captioning of live content - search for "live captioning"
<David> http://www.nathanailcaptioning.ca/
<greggvanderheiden> on the internet
<scribe> ACTION: Review what we have an deciding if we need a policy - Decide how to list vendors - after 2 months [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action02]
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<greggvanderheiden> For more information on captioning of live content in your country - search for "live captioning" using your favorite web search site.
<Loretta> \me: Katie, I think actions need to start with who has the action.
LGR: Has the wong link
<AWK> Correct link: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/2745
LC-2745: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/2745
AK: Lets talk about this now -with the correct link
GV: Validating does not mean that it is accessible in any way - it says that
<korn> http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/#ensure-compat-parses
AK: Wehad some discussion on this in WCAG2 to ICT - this is about markup that is separably exposed to AT or a user-selectable user agent
<AWK> s/AK: wehad/PK: we had
LGR: It doesnt actually seem relevant to this particular comment
PK: Just simply pointing out the accessibility result that this SC is trying to acheive
AK: David, I put in some text 0 does this cover your concern?
DM: That got bye me. That will help
AK: The wrong link is already in the errrata
RESOLUTION: Accept item LC-2745 as proposed - with my edits
<AWK> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/2745
RESOLUTION: Accept
item LC-2745 as amnded
... Accept item LC-2745 as amended
<scribe> ACTION: David will look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> 'David' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., dmacdona, dtodd2).
RESOLUTION: Keept
item open into Davids review of SCR37: LC-2632
... Keep item open until David's review of SCR37: LC-2632 id
complete
<MichaelC> ACTION: macdonald to look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-204 - Look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way [on David MacDonald - due 2013-06-25].
AK: Bad link sorry - should be working now
<AWK> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/wcag20-lc/2751?cid=2751
JN: Can I have 5 minutes to revview it
AK: We will come back to it
AK: GV had an editorial revision
JN: They could use ARIA described by
MC: Yes but that makes it more complicated
BB: We assume you are talking about HTML tables - add to the very beginning of the response
<David> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/tabular-data.html#the-table-element 4.10.1.1 Techniques for describing tables
AK: We could add that using a technology specific technique - but - do we need to answer the question
LGR: I am concerned that we will delay responding to this very specific question
<AWK> s/not all tables include/not all tables need
RESOLUTION: Accept item LC-2753 as amended - see AWK text above
<scribe> ACTION: need to review caption and summary techniques [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action05]
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<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques
<scribe> ACTION: Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the list AWK [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action06]
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<MichaelC> ACTION: awk to Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the lis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the lis [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2013-06-25].
<AWK> zakim who is on the queue?
<AWK> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-text-presentation.html
<Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to say that with web fonts you CAN do pretty much anything using text now
<scribe> ACTION: greggvanderheiden to fix [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action08]
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RESOLUTION: Leave OPEN for GV to edit and bring back LC-2751
RESOLUTION: Accept item LC-2725 as proposed
AK: People need to follow up on their action items
DM: I just took 5 or 6 of them
<Loretta> 2775 and 2776 exist in the data base, but are empty. Maybe someone forgot to save?
AK: Judy , Shadi and I are discussing this - and we should have an update next week
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