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User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

13 Jun 2013

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Attendees

Present
Jeanne, Jim_Allan, +1.661.748.aaaa, Greg_Lowney, Kim_Patch, kford, Jan, sharper, [Microsoft]
Regrets
Eric
Chair
JimAllan, KellyFord
Scribe
Harper_Simon

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 13 June 2013

<allanj> Action+ Face 2 Face - finalize

<scribe> scribe: Harper_Simon

<scribe> ScribeNick: sharper

Status Check - getting ready for LAST CALL!

JA: Is there anything we have forgot before Last Call

JR: may receive stuff in comments as we move on which would help answer this questions.

JS: already have 2 comments - but other than that we are in good shape - but are there any loose ends - except UA defn.
... lets look over the document and see if it triggers anything over the next week.

RESOLUTION: Check over the next week

Face 2 Face - finalize

JA: Dates for f2f... August 27-29
... All OK?

All: all good with dates - KP / JA / JS / JR / SH (wont be able to make it)

RESOLUTION: All well on f2f

GL: TPAC in Nov - do we need to talk about it?
... What are the logistics - will the group be working the 5 days - maybe too early

JS: Will be meeting for 2 days of the 5 days period m/t or t/f - Wed is the tech plenary day

<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/

Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments

<jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0095.html

JS: explaining / reading the Test content

JA: wasn't able to complete his last week.

JS: Welcome comments

KP: be useful for some of these had an example of actually doing this through a browser - ie putting a browser through this may make the test better.

GL: Really well put together - likes the way it is split and thinks it's clear - runs into trouble in test 2 - the flow to 3 only applies of a global switch

JS: tried to do it so it would go either (in context)

G: L: Leaving it upto the tester - could add a note

JR: needs to be combined - starts with loading the test - verbalising thoughts on the fly - text to follow:

<Jan> JR: I would combine the two tests...

<Jan> JR: Start by loading in the test content known to contain alternatives

<Jan> JR: Loop on the known alternatives

JA: Could create a test page for this...?

<Jan> JR: Make sure the choose mechanism is present (whether global or local)

<Jan> JR: Then activate the mechanism and check to make sure it rendered

JA: will be coming to appendix E soon - for which I've started an excel sheet

JS: second one - reading from the mail text - to note 'sample alternative content' web page to write fro all types of alt content for testing purposes.

GL: May need to be multiple documents
... what are we concerned with

<allanj> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Open_Web_Platform

<allanj> http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/MediaAccessibilityChecklist

http://www.w3.org/standards/

W3C standards define an Open Web Platform for application development that has the unprecedented potential to enable developers to build rich interactive experiences, powered by vast data stores, that are available on any device.

JA: we need to scope this
... Most of this seems to be HTML - so maybe we need to scope test to this

JS: people can write test for this

GL: 1.1.1 there is alt content in SVG - can they still pass if they don't render this
... they don't have to support his?

<allanj> in the browser declaration, we support these technologies. then they must be tested against them.

RESOLUTION: JS: will contact other in w3c re the scope and standards

<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to research in W3C the breadth of technologies we will have to test against for CR. SVG? MathML? SMIL? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-837 - Research in W3C the breadth of technologies we will have to test against for CR. SVG? MathML? SMIL? [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2013-06-20].

Move back to discuss point 4 - what passed and what failed

JA: test page should help on this - in directions we should say write down what is missed (JS: added this text to test)

GL: discussing the language used in the text - looking for alternative ways to express this

<Greg> 3. For each piece of alternative content in the sample document:

<Greg> 1) if the alternative content is not visible, select FAIL

<Greg> 4. Select PASS.

JR: gave the ATAG perspective

JS: People should we pick one to complete for next week

<jeanne> Greg - 2.4.4

GL 2.4.4

JR: 2.11.2
... gives text for the way ATAG does things - black and white lists required by testers, as well as grey list - maybe an issue but not automatically flagged

<allanj> ja: 1.7.1

JR: in summary we are gunna need a thrid list

JA: 1.7.1

SH 1.1.4

<Jan> JR: I will do 2.11.2 Execution Placeholder

KP: 2.1.1

<Jan> s/2.12.2/2.11.2

Crowd source implementation - we have spreadsheet!

GL: sent spreadsheet to the list

<allanj> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0086.html

KP: discusses process for this.
... can convert this to a google spreadsheet - how will crowdsourcing happen?
... can just supply this via a link - or can sign up users via their google accounts
... second way someone has to manage this

JS: safer

KP: safer but takes a little more time

JR: Slower on front - but trust the data better

JS: agreed

RESOLUTION: Google spreadsheet, and manage users via user names.

KP: Could do this for other examples and resources.

JR: we should limit the number of documents we have as changes may still occur - so reducing possibility for these to be contradictory is useful.

KP: Different kinds of solutions to this being suggested.
... is able to manage to get this up there.

<scribe> ACTION: KimPatch to hangle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Error finding 'KimPatch'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/users>.

<scribe> ACTION: Kim to handle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-838 - Handle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing [on Kimberly Patch - due 2013-06-20].

Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content

JA: has 20 Alt Contents from Appendix E - and created a spreadsheet

<allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20130607/#alternative-content-list

JA: other ideas re alt content

JR: talks about accessibility information (not alt content) we tie to wcag (ie ATAG)

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2013/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20130220/#prompting-types

JR: taking group through the list as above

GL: Could think about this with regard to alt content being human readable - but meta data could be useful but not considered alt content

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to research in W3C the breadth of technologies we will have to test against for CR. SVG? MathML? SMIL? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Kim to handle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: KimPatch to hangle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-minutes.html#action02]
 
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