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16:47:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
16:47:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
16:47:01 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
16:47:01 <trackbot> Date: 13 June 2013
16:47:59 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public
16:49:23 <allanj> regrets: Eric
16:53:11 <allanj> Agenda+ Status Check - getting ready for LAST CALL!
16:53:39 <allanj> Action+ Face 2 Face - finalize
16:54:06 <allanj> Agenda+ Face 2 Face - finalize
16:54:24 <allanj> Agenda+ Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments
16:55:19 <allanj> Agenda+  Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content
16:55:46 <allanj> Agenda+ Crowd source implementation - we have spreadsheet!
16:56:03 <jeanne> jeanne has joined #ua
16:56:24 <allanj> Agenda+ reDux: Pause on Exit Flag http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0087.html
16:56:43 <allanj> chair: JimAllan, KellyFord
16:57:52 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
16:57:59 <Zakim> +Jeanne
16:59:37 <Zakim> +Jim_Allan
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17:02:06 <Jan> zakim, code?
17:02:06 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan
17:02:27 <Zakim> + +1.661.748.aaaa
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17:05:05 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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17:05:34 <kford> zakim, microsoft is kford
17:05:34 <Zakim> +kford; got it
17:06:59 <kford> zakim, microsoft is kford
17:06:59 <Zakim> sorry, kford, I do not recognize a party named 'microsoft'
17:07:09 <kford> zakim, microsoft is kford
17:07:09 <Zakim> sorry, kford, I do not recognize a party named 'microsoft'
17:07:31 <Jan> zakim, aaaa is really Jan
17:07:31 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
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17:10:38 <sharper> zakim, ??P4 is sharper
17:10:38 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
17:12:12 <allanj> zakim, agenda?
17:12:12 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
17:12:13 <Zakim> 1. Status Check - getting ready for LAST CALL! [from allanj]
17:12:13 <Zakim> 2. Face 2 Face - finalize [from allanj]
17:12:13 <Zakim> 3. Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments [from allanj]
17:12:13 <Zakim> 4. Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content [from allanj]
17:12:13 <Zakim> 5. Crowd source implementation - we have spreadsheet! [from allanj]
17:12:13 <Zakim> 6. reDux: Pause on Exit Flag http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0087.html [from allanj]
17:14:18 <sharper> scribe: Harper_Simon
17:14:18 <sharper> ScribeNick: sharper
17:14:25 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
17:14:25 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Status Check - getting ready for LAST CALL!" taken up [from allanj]
17:15:26 <sharper> JA: Is there anything we have forgot before Last Call
17:15:47 <sharper> JR: may receive stuff in comments as we move on which would help answer this questions.
17:16:16 <sharper> JS: already have 2 comments - but other than that we are in good shape  - but are there any loose ends - except UA defn.
17:16:41 <sharper> JS: lets look over the document and see if it triggers anything over the next week.
17:17:04 <sharper> RESOLVED: Check over the next week
17:17:12 <sharper> zakim, close item 1
17:17:12 <Zakim> agendum 1, Status Check - getting ready for LAST CALL!, closed
17:17:12 <sharper> zakim, take up item 2\
17:17:13 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:17:13 <Zakim> 2. Face 2 Face - finalize [from allanj]
17:17:13 <Zakim> '2\\' does not match any agenda item, sharper
17:17:22 <sharper> zakim, take up item 2
17:17:22 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Face 2 Face - finalize" taken up [from allanj]
17:17:46 <sharper> JA: Dates for f2f... August 27-29
17:17:53 <sharper> JA: All OK?
17:19:12 <sharper> All: all good with dates - KP / JA / JS / JR / SH (wont be able to make it)
17:19:31 <sharper> RESOLVED: All well on f2f
17:19:46 <sharper> GL: TPAC in Nov - do we need to talk about it?
17:20:17 <sharper> GL: What are the logistics - will the group be working the 5 days - maybe too early
17:20:55 <sharper> JS: Will be meeting for 2 days of the 5 days period m/t or t/f - Wed is the tech plenary day
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17:21:54 <jeanne> http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/
17:23:17 <sharper> zakim, close item 2
17:23:17 <Zakim> agendum 2, Face 2 Face - finalize, closed
17:23:17 <sharper> zakim, take up item 3
17:23:18 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:23:18 <Zakim> 3. Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments [from allanj]
17:23:18 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments" taken up [from allanj]
17:24:14 <jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0095.html
17:26:04 <sharper> JS: explaining  / reading the Test content
17:26:19 <sharper> JA: wasn't able to complete his last week.
17:26:37 <sharper> JS: Welcome comments
17:27:58 <sharper> KP: be useful for some of these had an example of actually doing this through a browser - ie putting a browser through this may make the test better.
17:28:52 <sharper> GL: Really well put together - likes the way it is split and thinks it's clear - runs into trouble in test 2 - the flow to 3 only applies of a global switch
17:29:10 <sharper> JS: tried to do it so it would go either (in context)
17:29:41 <sharper> G:L: Leaving it upto the tester - could add a note
17:30:43 <sharper> JR: needs to be combined - starts with loading the test - verbalising thoughts on the fly - text to follow:
17:30:54 <Jan> JR: I would combine the two tests...
17:31:09 <Jan> JR: Start by loading in the test content known to contain alternatives
17:31:19 <Jan> JR: Loop on the known alternatives
17:31:31 <sharper> JA: Could create a test page for this...?
17:31:53 <Jan> JR: Make sure the choose mechanism is present (whether global or local)
17:32:09 <Jan> JR: Then activate the mechanism and check to make sure it rendered
17:32:15 <sharper> JA: will be coming to appendix E soon - for which I've started an exel sheet
17:32:29 <sharper> s/exel/excel
17:34:10 <Zakim> -kford
17:36:36 <sharper> JS: second one - reading from the mail text  - to note 'sample alternative content' web page to write fro all types of alt content for testing purposes.
17:36:59 <sharper> GL: May need to be multiple documents
17:38:40 <sharper> GL: what are we concerned with
17:39:04 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Open_Web_Platform
17:39:52 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/MediaAccessibilityChecklist
17:40:19 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/standards/
17:40:23 <sharper> W3C standards define an Open Web Platform for application development that has the unprecedented potential to enable developers to build rich interactive experiences, powered by vast data stores, that are available on any device.
17:41:43 <sharper> JA: we need to scope this
17:41:52 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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17:43:49 <sharper> JA: Most of this seems to be HTML - so maybe we need to scope test to this
17:44:02 <sharper> JS: people can write test for this
17:44:32 <sharper> GL: 1.1.1 there is alt content in SVG - can they still pass if they don't render this
17:44:53 <sharper> GL: they don't have to support his?
17:46:28 <allanj> in the browser declaration, we support these technologies. then they must be tested against them.
17:46:39 <sharper> RESOLVED: JS: will contact other in w3c re the scope and standrads
17:47:01 <allanj> s/standrads/standards
17:47:12 <jeanne> action: jeanne to research in W3C the breadth of  technologies we will have to test against for CR.  SVG? MathML? SMIL?
17:47:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-837 - Research in W3C the breadth of  technologies we will have to test against for CR.  SVG? MathML? SMIL? [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2013-06-20].
17:48:01 <sharper> Move back to discuss point 4 - what passed and what failed
17:48:40 <sharper> JA: test page should help on this - in directions we should say write down what is missed (JS: added this text to test)
17:50:47 <sharper> GL: discussing the language used in the text - looking for alternative ways to express this
17:52:32 <Greg> 3. For each piece of alternative content in the sample document:
17:52:33 <Greg> 1) if the alternative content is not visible, select FAIL
17:52:35 <Greg> 4. Select PASS.
17:54:23 <sharper> JR: gave the ATAG perspective
17:54:44 <sharper> JS: People should we pick one to complete for next week
17:54:49 <jeanne> Greg - 2.4.4
17:54:51 <sharper> GL 2.4.4
17:56:24 <sharper> JR: 2.12.2
17:56:30 <sharper> s/12/11
17:58:32 <sharper> JR: gives text for the way ATAG does things - black and white lists required by testers, as well as grey list - maybe an issue but not automatically flagged
17:58:42 <allanj> ja: 1.7.1
17:58:46 <sharper> JR: in summary we are gunna need a thrid list
17:58:53 <sharper> JA: 1.7.1
17:59:09 <sharper> SH  1.1.4
17:59:13 <Jan> JR: I will do 2.11.2 Execution Placeholder
17:59:20 <sharper> KP: 2.1.1
17:59:40 <Jan> s/2.12.2/2.11.2
17:59:43 <allanj> zakim, who is here?
17:59:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeanne, Jim_Allan, Jan, Greg_Lowney, Kim_Patch, sharper, [Microsoft]
17:59:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see allanj, sharper, KimPatch, Greg, Jan, jeanne, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot
18:00:38 <sharper> zakim, agenda?
18:00:38 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
18:00:39 <Zakim> 3. Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments [from allanj]
18:00:39 <Zakim> 4. Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content [from allanj]
18:00:39 <Zakim> 5. Crowd source implementation - we have spreadsheet! [from allanj]
18:00:39 <Zakim> 6. reDux: Pause on Exit Flag http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0087.html [from allanj]
18:01:02 <sharper> zakim, close item 3
18:01:02 <Zakim> agendum 3, Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments, closed
18:01:04 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:01:04 <Zakim> 4. Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content [from allanj]
18:01:21 <sharper> zakim, take up item 5
18:01:21 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Crowd source implementation - we have spreadsheet!" taken up [from allanj]
18:01:38 <sharper> GL: sent spreadsheet to the list
18:01:53 <allanj> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0086.html
18:02:41 <sharper> KP: discusses process for this.
18:03:38 <sharper> KP: can convert this to a google spreadsheet - how will crowdsourcing happen?
18:04:06 <sharper> KP: can just supply this via a link - or can sign up users via their google accounts
18:04:21 <sharper> KP: second way someone has to manage this
18:04:27 <sharper> JS: safer
18:04:37 <sharper> KP: safer but takes a little more time
18:05:09 <sharper> JR: Slower on front - but trust the data better
18:05:13 <sharper> JS: agreed
18:06:30 <sharper> RESOLVED: Google spreadsheet, and manage users via user names.
18:06:53 <sharper> KP: Could do this for other examples  and resources.
18:07:48 <sharper> JR: we should limit the number of documents we have as changes may still occur - so reducing possibility for these to be contradictory is useful.
18:08:33 <sharper> KP: Different kinds of solutions to this being suggested.
18:09:59 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
18:10:12 <sharper> KP: is able to manage to get this up there.
18:10:56 <sharper> Action: KimPatch to hangle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing
18:10:56 <trackbot> Error finding 'KimPatch'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/users>.
18:11:36 <sharper> Action: Kim to handle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing
18:11:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-838 - Handle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing [on Kimberly Patch - due 2013-06-20].
18:16:43 <sharper> zakim, close item 5
18:16:43 <Zakim> agendum 5, Crowd source implementation - we have spreadsheet!, closed
18:16:45 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:16:45 <Zakim> 4. Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content [from allanj]
18:16:51 <sharper> zakim, take up item 4
18:16:51 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content" taken up [from allanj]
18:17:17 <sharper> JA: has 20 Alt Contents from Appendix E - and created a spreadsheet
18:17:48 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20130607/#alternative-content-list
18:20:55 <sharper> JA: other ideas re alt content
18:21:47 <sharper> JR: talks about accessibility information (not alt content) we tie to wcag (ie ATAG)
18:23:21 <Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2013/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20130220/#prompting-types
18:24:33 <sharper> JR: taking group through the list as above
18:26:00 <sharper> GL: Could think about this with regard to alt content being human readable - but meta data could be useful but not considered alt content
18:27:56 <sharper> zakim, agenda?
18:27:56 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
18:27:57 <Zakim> 4. Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content [from allanj]
18:27:57 <Zakim> 6. reDux: Pause on Exit Flag http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0087.html [from allanj]
18:28:07 <sharper> rrsagent, make logs public
18:28:07 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:28:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-minutes.html sharper
18:28:21 <Zakim> -Jan
18:28:28 <Zakim> -sharper
18:28:30 <Zakim> -Jeanne
18:28:32 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
18:28:33 <Zakim> -Kim_Patch
18:28:37 <sharper> zakim, please part
18:28:37 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Jeanne, Jim_Allan, +1.661.748.aaaa, Greg_Lowney, Kim_Patch, kford, Jan, sharper, [Microsoft]
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18:28:43 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:28:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-minutes.html sharper
18:29:11 <sharper> rrsagent, please part
18:29:11 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-actions.rdf :
18:29:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeanne to research in W3C the breadth of  technologies we will have to test against for CR.  SVG? MathML? SMIL? [1]
18:29:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-irc#T17-47-12
18:29:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KimPatch to hangle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing [2]
18:29:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-irc#T18-10-56
18:29:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kim to handle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing [3]
18:29:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-irc#T18-11-36