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20:28:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
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20:28:13 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
20:28:13 <trackbot> Date: 13 June 2013
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20:28:39 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
20:29:01 <Zakim> + +1.425.373.aaaa
20:29:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:29:42 <heycam> Zakim, [ is me
20:29:42 <Zakim> +heycam; got it
20:31:15 <Zakim> + +1.415.832.aabb
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20:31:29 <krit> Zakim, aabb is me
20:31:29 <Zakim> +krit; got it
20:32:13 <heycam> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013AprJun/0138.html
20:32:15 <heycam> Chair: Cameron
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20:33:35 <nikos_> what's the code?
20:33:41 <heycam> Zakim, code?
20:33:41 <Zakim> the conference code is 7841 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), heycam
20:33:47 <Zakim> +??P0
20:33:51 <Tav> Tav has joined #svg
20:34:18 <nikos_> Zakim, P0 is me
20:34:18 <Zakim> sorry, nikos_, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'
20:34:19 <Zakim> +Rich
20:34:22 <Zakim> +cabanier
20:34:47 <nikos_> Zakim, ??P0 is me
20:34:47 <Zakim> +nikos_; got it
20:34:56 <Zakim> +??P3
20:35:18 <heycam> Zakim, who is making noise?
20:35:37 <Zakim> heycam, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: cabanier (14%), ??P3 (75%), Doug_Schepers (30%), +1.425.373.aaaa (44%)
20:35:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> i am on mute :-)
20:35:52 <Zakim> -??P3
20:36:25 <krit> ScribeNick: krit
20:36:27 <nikos_> Zakim, mute nikos
20:36:27 <Zakim> nikos_ should now be muted
20:36:56 <Zakim> + +33.9.53.77.aacc
20:37:08 <heycam> Regrets: Cyril, Erik
20:37:21 <Tav> zakim, aacc is me
20:37:21 <Zakim> +Tav; got it
20:37:28 <krit> topic: Publication of Compositing and Blending
20:37:50 <krit> cabanier: I added how to create layers in SVG to the spec
20:38:09 <krit> cabanier: by defining the properties that create layers, like opacity, transforms
20:38:29 <krit> cabanier: dirk said he wants to have just stacking context for SVG and rest of the world
20:38:37 <krit> cabanier: I think we cann still go to WD for now
20:38:58 <krit> heycam: stacking context should be in SVG, but no harm at the moment not t have it
20:39:18 <krit> heycam: the defintion for stacking context is in z-index
20:39:45 <krit> krit: the chapter is just call z-index, but stacking context is described independent of it
20:40:15 <krit> cabanier: it is weired, that some properties create stacking context in CSS that don't apply to svg like position: fixed
20:40:30 <krit> cabanier: fixed position just applied to HTML
20:40:48 <krit> heycam: CSS thinks it applies to all elements
20:40:56 <krit> cabanier: but position should be a no-op on SVG
20:41:19 <krit> cabanier: it should be written somehwer globaly and not in each individual spec
20:41:37 <krit> cabanier: yes, would be nice to have all in one section and referenced by all spec
20:41:37 <krit> s
20:41:51 <krit> heycam: do you have a link to the section?
20:41:51 <cabanier> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/FXTF/rawfile/tip/compositing/index.html#csscompositingrules_SVG
20:41:59 <krit> cabanier: here is the link
20:42:01 <krit> heycam: ok
20:42:12 <krit> cabanier: the SVG section does not talk about stacking contexrt
20:42:16 <krit> heycam: ok
20:42:44 <krit> heycam: eventually we will define z-index for SVG and define stacking context with it
20:43:01 <krit> heycam: we should add it to SVG2
20:44:09 <krit> krit: I think that this is not a good idea to wait for SVG2, Filter Effects, Masking/Clipping, Blending and Transforms need it right now
20:44:42 <krit> cabanier: well, we change the defintion for BackgroundImage
20:44:46 <krit> krit: no we don't
20:44:55 <krit> krit: stacking context does not mean anything in SVG
20:45:45 <krit> cabanier: but nothing would change of stacking context
20:45:57 <krit> krit: right, that is why it is not a problem to add it in 1.1
20:46:03 <krit> krit: other specification rely on it
20:46:32 <krit> heycam: don't think that ppl have probkems when it is just in SVG2
20:46:54 <krit> krit: in the meantime it is unspecified what it means for SVG
20:47:05 <krit> heycam: as it always was
20:47:33 <krit> shepazu: it is to much trouble to get to the process
20:47:56 <krit> shepazu: we could do errata, but has no status and we need to the process agains and it seems ....
20:48:12 <krit> shepazu: we worked so much on SVG1.1, we should put it by site and move to SVG2
20:48:38 <krit> krit: ppl are confortable with leaving it unspecified til SVG2
20:48:50 <krit> heycam: well, it will be in SVG2 and it is a WD
20:49:22 <krit> shepazu: don't think that implementations are necessarily concerned about not relying on REC
20:49:29 <krit> shepazu: we specify the behavior in SVG2
20:49:57 <krit> krit: just don't want to have an unspecified behavior in the meantime
20:50:33 <krit> cabanier: the only thing I changed was waht we discussed during F2F before the meeting with the CSS WG.
20:50:40 <krit> heycam: you think it is ok?
20:50:43 <krit> cabanier: yes
20:51:07 <krit> RESOLUTION: publish new WD for Compositing and Blending
20:51:14 <krit> no one disagree
20:52:17 <krit> heycam: was background-blend-mode in FPWD?
20:52:22 <krit> cabanier: no
20:52:51 <krit> heycam: there were concerns about background-blend-mode? Can you add a note?
20:54:42 <krit> cabanier: property will ship prefixed in next Safari version
20:55:02 <krit> cabanier: it is not prefixed in chrome, but flagged
20:56:12 <krit> … prefix discussion
20:57:29 <krit> heycam: who is publishing?
20:57:35 <krit> cabanier: is CSS sites
20:59:22 <krit> … shepazu misses chris
20:59:32 <krit> topic: publishing notes for old specs
21:00:30 <heycam> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2013AprJun/0019.html
21:00:38 <krit> krit: we have unfinished specs on SVG and would like to know if we follow W3C process and publish them as notes, or leave them unfinished?
21:01:13 <krit> shepazu: probably a good idea to add a note that we do not continue and publish them as notes
21:01:30 <krit> shepazu: some are requests some are realy unfinished once
21:01:53 <krit> s/shepazu: some/heycam: some/
21:02:17 <krit> heycam: some were not supposed to get spec in the first point
21:03:11 <krit> shepazu: I think we agreed to split color from pagination
21:03:20 <krit> heycam: you are right, and put it into SVG2
21:03:54 <krit> shepazu: and pagination was … too complex for comlplex and the simple stuff
21:04:14 <krit> shepazu: was initiziated by Canon but discontinued, so no
21:04:34 <krit> shepazu: why primers and reqs are specs anyway
21:05:03 <krit> shepazu: we shoudl call them notes
21:05:12 <krit> heycam: so we agree that they all should get notes
21:05:51 <krit> krit: I can probably help to prepare them for publication as note
21:06:18 <krit> shepazu: no big deal
21:06:35 <krit> krit: but you want to have a little sentence where authors should look at now
21:06:37 <krit> shepazu: yes
21:07:35 <krit> heycam: should have an intern in my house
21:08:13 <krit> ACTION: heycam to write up a note text for discontinued specs
21:08:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3506 - Write up a note text for discontinued specs [on Cameron McCormack - due 2013-06-20].
21:09:16 <krit> shepazu: don't think that these specifications need to be noted on W3C blogs
21:09:21 <krit> topic: WD SVG2
21:09:39 <krit> heycam: we wanted to have a new WD in June
21:09:53 <krit> heycam: I want to add the stroke dashing thing
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21:10:07 <krit> heycam: we do have the hatching already in there
21:10:15 <krit> heycam: think there is enough to publish now
21:10:26 <krit> all agree to publish now
21:10:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> +1
21:11:02 <krit> shepazu: I want that there is nothing stoping us to publish next month again if we want to
21:11:08 <krit> RESOLUTION: publish WD SVG2
21:11:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> thought svg2 was to be pub'd in july but ok
21:11:50 <krit> heycam: oops, was for next month. However
21:11:59 <richardschwerdtfeger> +1 for July
21:12:46 <krit> krit: I am with shepazu t publish again next month if things changed
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21:14:34 <krit> krit: I am just worried that it takes to long to publish and new things can not get in
21:14:44 <krit> heycam: there are ways around it, but yeah
21:15:25 <krit> shepazu: heycam if you can get it ready for publication, then I can try to push it through
21:16:07 <krit> shepazu: we should not only publish, but tweet about it
21:16:46 <krit> shepazu: I even like to have a pressure of a dead lin
21:16:47 <krit> e
21:17:05 <krit> richardschwerdtfeger: will it be locked down?
21:17:09 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
21:17:30 <shepazu> power went out here!
21:17:53 <krit> heycam: will generate it, copy the files and send the corrected version
21:17:53 <shepazu> s/power went out here!/power went out here!/
21:18:06 <shepazu> s/power went out here!//
21:18:35 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
21:18:48 <krit> ACTION: heycam publish WD
21:18:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3507 - Publish WD [on Cameron McCormack - due 2013-06-20].
21:19:02 <heycam> ACTION-3507: SVG 2
21:19:02 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-3507 Publish WD.
21:19:09 <krit> ACTION: heycam work on his actions
21:19:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3508 - Work on his actions [on Cameron McCormack - due 2013-06-20].
21:19:28 <krit> topic: SVG Integration
21:20:22 <krit> krit: suggest to focus at this spec more on current needs
21:20:38 <krit> krit: security and integration in secure way
21:20:59 <krit> shepazu: I agree with focusing but disagree that list of properties and attributes is out of scope
21:21:17 <krit> shepazu: all the things that you say we don't need comes from use cases
21:21:42 <krit> shepazu: ODF did extend SVG in incompatible ways and asked us to explain where they are wrong
21:21:48 <krit> shepazu: was relevant at that time
21:22:03 <krit> shepazu: I would be fine if you join as editor
21:22:11 <krit> shepazu: agree on priorites to referencing
21:22:28 <Zakim> -Tav
21:22:48 <krit> krit: need to work on security model anyway, so I am fine with adding editor
21:22:54 <krit> general agreement
21:23:07 <krit> shepazu: some of the things might go in into SVG2
21:23:13 <Zakim> +??P3
21:23:21 <krit> shepazu: we may start with the security focus
21:23:23 <Zakim> - +1.425.373.aaaa
21:23:42 <krit> heycam: what we talked about the last F2F?
21:23:47 <krit> yes
21:24:47 <krit> shepazu: heycam should be an editor as well?
21:24:56 <krit> heycam: just did some changes
21:25:11 <krit> shepazu: still asking you to be an editor since you have done a lot of work
21:25:27 <krit> heycam: I am fine with being added
21:25:51 <krit> RESOLUTION: add heycam and krit as editor of SVG Integration
21:26:51 <krit> RESOLUTION: concentrate on refercing and property attribute index on SVG Integration
21:29:20 <Zakim> -cabanier
21:29:23 <Zakim> -nikos_
21:29:32 <Zakim> -krit
21:29:36 <krit> trackbot, make minutes
21:29:36 <trackbot> Sorry, krit, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
21:30:01 <krit> heycam: —^ ???
21:30:11 <heycam> RRSAgent, make minutes
21:30:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html heycam
21:30:14 <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
21:30:14 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
21:30:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Doug_Schepers, +1.425.373.aaaa, [IPcaller], heycam, +1.415.832.aabb, krit, Rich, cabanier, nikos_, +33.9.53.77.aacc, Tav
21:30:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
21:30:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html trackbot
21:30:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
21:30:23 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-actions.rdf :
21:30:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: heycam to write up a note text for discontinued specs [1]
21:30:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-irc#T21-08-13
21:30:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: heycam publish WD [2]
21:30:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-irc#T21-18-48
21:30:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: heycam work on his actions [3]
21:30:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-irc#T21-19-09