14:56:33 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #html-a11y
14:56:33 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-html-a11y-irc
14:56:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:56:35 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #html-a11y
14:56:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:56:38 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:56:38 <trackbot> Date: 13 June 2013
14:56:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 56 minutes ago
14:58:59 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
14:58:59 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
14:58:59 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:59:02 <janina> agenda+ Alt Edits Status Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Jun/0014.html
14:59:05 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc Status Update
14:59:07 <janina> agenda+ HTML5 testing
14:59:10 <janina> agenda+ Text Bugs (Continued)
14:59:12 <janina> agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media;
14:59:15 <janina> agenda+ Wiki, TF pages, similar administrative items
14:59:17 <janina> agenda+ (Overdue) Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
14:59:20 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:59:23 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:59:26 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:59:59 <janina>  zakim, who's on the phone?
14:59:59 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:00:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, IanPouncey, davidb, MarkS, SteveF, MichaelC, hober, janina, trackbot
15:00:22 <janina> zakim, this will be 2119
15:00:22 <Zakim> ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 60 minutes ago
15:00:33 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:00:33 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:00:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, IanPouncey, davidb, MarkS, SteveF, MichaelC, hober, janina, trackbot
15:00:59 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML-A11Y)
15:00:59 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, janina
15:02:33 <David_> David_ has joined #html-a11y
15:02:33 <MarkS> zakim, who is on the phone
15:02:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', MarkS
15:03:38 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 2119
15:03:38 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
15:03:41 <MichaelC> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, ??P3, +1.617.715.aaaa, John_Foliot
15:03:56 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(A11Y)
15:03:56 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, janina
15:04:03 <Judy_clone> Judy_clone has joined #html-a11y
15:04:11 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P3 is Janina_Sajka
15:04:11 <Zakim> I already had ??P3 as ??P3, MichaelC
15:04:19 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 2119
15:04:19 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
15:04:21 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P3 is Janina_Sajka
15:04:21 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:04:27 <JF> JF has joined #html-a11y
15:05:12 <Zakim> +??P2
15:05:13 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML A11Y)
15:05:13 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, janina
15:05:17 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P2 is Michael_Cooper
15:05:17 <Zakim> I already had ??P2 as ??P2, MichaelC
15:05:25 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 2119
15:05:25 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
15:05:38 <MichaelC> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Janina_Sajka, +1.617.715.aaaa, John_Foliot, ??P2
15:05:44 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P2 is Michael_Cooper
15:05:44 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
15:05:56 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Mark_Sadecki
15:05:56 <Zakim> +Mark_Sadecki; got it
15:06:25 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:07:02 <janina> zakim, agenda?
15:07:02 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda:
15:07:03 <Zakim> 1. Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:07:03 <Zakim> 2. Alt Edits Status Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Jun/0014.html [from janina]
15:07:03 <Zakim> 3. Longdesc Status Update [from janina]
15:07:03 <Zakim> 4. HTML5 testing [from janina]
15:07:03 <Zakim> 5. Text Bugs (Continued) [from janina]
15:07:03 <Zakim> 6. Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media; [from janina]
15:07:05 <Zakim> 7. Wiki, TF pages, similar administrative items [from janina]
15:07:05 <Zakim> 8. (Overdue) Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina]
15:07:05 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
15:07:05 <Zakim> 10. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:07:06 <Zakim> 11. be done [from janina]
15:07:12 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
15:07:12 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:07:47 <MarkS> scribe: Mark Sadecki
15:07:52 <MarkS> scribeNick: MarkS
15:07:52 <janina> zakim, close item 1
15:07:52 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:07:54 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:07:54 <Zakim> 2. Alt Edits Status Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Jun/0014.html [from janina]
15:07:56 <janina> zakim, next item
15:07:56 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Alt Edits Status Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Jun/0014.html" taken up [from janina]
15:09:24 <MarkS> JS: Doesn't seem to be much conversation around SteveF's work on ALT.  We should take a look and provide feedback
15:09:36 <MarkS> MS: I'll take a look today to see if I can provide any feedback.
15:09:47 <MarkS> DM: Do we file bugs?
15:09:58 <MarkS> JS: Either comment on list or add comments to existing bugs.
15:11:36 <MarkS> MS: here is the link to Steve's current status on what needs review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Jun/0013.html
15:11:59 <janina> zakim, next item
15:11:59 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Longdesc Status Update" taken up [from janina]
15:15:09 <MarkS> JS: Any new bugs filed on Longdesc since publication?  Progress on 3 bugs filed during CfC?
15:15:36 <janina> zakim, next item
15:15:36 <Zakim> agendum 4. "HTML5 testing" taken up [from janina]
15:15:38 <MarkS> MS: No new bugs, not sure if chaals has and a chance to address the 3 filed during CfC?
15:15:50 <MarkS> … should we send out a reminder with one week to go in comments?
15:16:01 <MarkS> JS: Won't hurt.
15:16:49 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/html-a11y-tf-html5-testing-review/results
15:18:24 <MarkS> MS: emails sent out, all responses are in. 7 responses.  Most agreeable time is 2PM ET
15:20:10 <MarkS> MS: I will send out an email formally inviting everyone to the call for next Thursday 6/20
15:21:27 <MarkS> JF: will have a hard time making the meetings, but want to participate as much as possible. Please include me via email.
15:21:48 <MarkS> JS: don't need to test alt, but do need to test canvas.
15:21:51 <janina> zakim, next item
15:21:51 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Text Bugs (Continued)" taken up [from janina]
15:23:48 <MarkS> MS: a11yTF bugs that need to be closed for CR per Robin: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?keywords=CR%2C%20&keywords=a11ytf&keywords_type=allwords&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=HTML5%20spec&product=HTML%20WG&list_id=15460
15:24:17 <MarkS> MS: wanted to discuss https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21722
15:24:40 <MarkS> … Ambiguous/incorrect wording regarding placeholder attribute of input elements
15:28:28 <JF> Q+
15:29:11 <MarkS> MS: here is the relevant section of the spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/forms.html#the-placeholder-attribute
15:33:20 <MarkS> CS: The placeholder attribute is included in the name calculation, at least in IE.
15:33:33 <MarkS> … name calculation happens at page load.
15:33:40 <MarkS> …could be a mapping guide problem.
15:33:50 <MarkS> JF: could be  more of an issue for UAAG
15:36:22 <MarkS> MS: we will continue to follow and may want to add comments to this bug.
15:36:30 <janina> zakim, next item
15:36:30 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina
15:36:36 <janina> q?
15:36:40 <JF> ack jf
15:36:43 <janina> q?
15:36:49 <janina> zakim, close item 1
15:36:49 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:36:51 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:36:51 <Zakim> 5. Text Bugs (Continued) [from janina]
15:36:54 <janina> zakim, next item
15:36:54 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media;" taken up [from janina]
15:38:00 <MarkS> CS: AAPI has been busy with other things.
15:38:11 <MarkS> …haven't had a chance to get together.
15:39:01 <MarkS> JS: Media team has met.
15:40:03 <MarkS> …i will be sending out an email introducing JF and Dominic Mazoney.  John can you send me those two URLs?
15:40:45 <MarkS> s/Dominic Mazoney/Dominic Mazoney from Google regarding what to do with transcript
15:41:16 <MarkS> JF: I have some specific questions for Dominic regarding transcript and controls.
15:42:45 <MarkS> …hard to find a time for us to eat with strongest contributors living in Ireland and Austrailia
15:43:54 <MarkS> …can probably start around the 18th of July
15:44:06 <MarkS> … can get an email thread going beforehand.
15:45:17 <MarkS> JS: one of the items we need to address is to process comments filed on media related bugs.
15:45:19 <janina> zakim, next item
15:45:19 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Wiki, TF pages, similar administrative items" taken up [from janina]
15:46:14 <MarkS> DM: i just put together some tests regarding placeholder text with JAWS 14 in IE and Firefox.  If there is placeholder and no label it will read the value of the placeholder.
15:49:54 <Zakim> +Judy
15:50:25 <MarkS> JF: we need to make sure the spec clarifies the intent of this attribute and how UA should implement it.
15:51:22 <MarkS> JS: this may not require any language change in this spec.  perhaps in others, like UAAG and WCAG.
15:53:33 <MarkS> DM: works in NVDA as well.
15:55:27 <janina> zakim, next item
15:55:27 <Zakim> agendum 8. "(Overdue) Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
15:55:43 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
15:57:20 <janina> zakim, next item
15:57:20 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
15:57:51 <MarkS> JS: Please take a look at these and close any items that have already been addressed.
15:58:04 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:58:10 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:58:11 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
15:58:26 <Zakim> -Judy
15:58:27 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
15:58:27 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
15:58:28 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
15:58:29 <Zakim> Attendees were David_MacDonald, +1.617.715.aaaa, John_Foliot, Janina_Sajka, Michael_Cooper, Mark_Sadecki, Cynthia_Shelly, Judy
15:58:52 <MarkS> zakim, please make minutes
15:58:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please make minutes', MarkS
15:59:05 <MarkS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:59:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
16:23:38 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference; Thursday 20 June at 15:00Z for 60 minutes
16:58:32 <davidb_> davidb_ has joined #html-a11y
17:07:38 <davidb> davidb has joined #html-a11y
17:28:02 <Judy> Judy has joined #html-a11y
17:40:48 <Judy_clone> Judy_clone has joined #html-a11y
18:57:23 <jongunderson> jongunderson has joined #html-a11y
20:15:27 <janina> janina has joined #html-a11y
21:28:41 <SteveF> SteveF has joined #html-a11y