i removed
tags in and made it into new lines
10:44:46 also aligned pre code lines
10:45:28 so you're fixing this http://stommepoes.nl/newlinesw3c.png not creating it?
10:45:47 if fixing, good job, the newlines are annoying. It's like reading a bad email
10:46:31 yeah i will fix those as most examples are being replaced or updated
10:47:03 apparently it was done to show that code can be done that way...
10:48:32 or maybe not anyways will fix thanks for pointing out
10:50:37 stommepoes: where alt attribute content is really long its getting nixed as its not good practice
10:51:45 For the stars example I tend to add an x for each thingie, and use an apart line somewhere to say what it means
10:51:54 yeah I thought they were pretty long
10:52:16 the rorschach... I dunno that I would describe what those are, I feel that belongs elsewhere
10:53:41 right now I've changed some divs (fake checkboxes) holding background images to actual X's covered up by the images instead, and added a hidden line stating how many items are checked. I'm constrained by the graphic design but I think due to image-off/css-off sighted use case, that x representing star is more correct.
10:54:10 Only reason I don't use real stars for stars is IE/Windows has issues with unicode icons :/
10:55:18 Re my screenshot: if I lower my zoom the "is"s pop back in
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11:23:49 darobin: how do you get w3 psec diffs to show? is it ?diff at end of url?
11:27:13 SteveF: ,diff
11:27:24 you can always just append a comma to see the list of tools
11:27:40 cheers
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15:59:26 trackbot, start meeting
15:59:28 RRSAgent, make logs public
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15:59:30 Zakim, this will be html_wg
15:59:30 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
15:59:31 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:59:31 Date: 23 May 2013
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15:59:51 zakim, who's on the phone?
15:59:51 On the phone I see ??P3
15:59:59 +Bin_Hu
16:00:00 zakim, ??P3 is me
16:00:03 +janina; got it
16:00:17 +glenn
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16:00:42 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013AprJun/0018.html
16:00:53 trackbot, start meeting
16:00:55 RRSAgent, make logs public
16:00:55 present+ Bin_Hu
16:00:57 Zakim, this will be html_wg
16:00:58 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:00:58 Date: 23 May 2013
16:00:58 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:01:06 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013AprJun/0018.html
16:01:13 +[Microsoft]
16:01:22 N0GNR
16:01:23 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:01:23 +paulc; got it
16:01:29 +[Microsoft.a]
16:01:30 +[Microsoft.aa]
16:01:37 +Sam
16:01:42 zakim, microsoft.aa has me
16:01:42 +Eliot; got it
16:01:48 zakim, Microsoft.a is me
16:01:48 +krisk; got it
16:02:01 +Daniel
16:02:10 chair: paulc
16:02:17 scribenick: glenn
16:02:23 +[Microsoft.a]
16:02:28 zakim, microsoft.a has me
16:02:29 +jaymunro; got it
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16:03:07 zakim, who is on the phone?
16:03:07 On the phone I see janina, Bin_Hu (muted), glenn, [Microsoft], krisk, [Microsoft.aa], Sam, Daniel, [Microsoft.a]
16:03:09 [Microsoft.aa] has Eliot
16:03:09 [Microsoft] has paulc
16:03:09 [Microsoft.a] has jaymunro
16:03:12 + +1.818.406.aaaa
16:03:27 Zakim, I am aaaa
16:03:27 +CyrilRa; got it
16:04:20 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013AprJun/0018.html
16:04:48 topic: Action Items Due this Week
16:04:52 ACTION-226?
16:04:52 ACTION-226 -- Kris Krueger to make sure that the organizational structure of github test suite is well documented -- due 2013-05-13 -- CLOSED
16:04:52 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/226
16:05:19 krit: updated this morning
16:05:31 s/krit/kris/
16:05:38 ... discussed at previous F2F
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16:05:57 ... posted to wiki
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16:06:10 +[Microsoft.aaa]
16:06:13 +[Apple]
16:06:14 zakim, [Microsoft.aaa] is me
16:06:15 +adrianba; got it
16:06:16 Zakim, Apple has me
16:06:16 +hober; got it
16:06:19 paulc: has been closed
16:06:38 topic: New Issues this Week
16:06:41 paulc: none
16:06:50 topic: Items Closing this Week
16:07:00 I updated the wiki at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing that covers Action Item 226
16:07:09 Pre-Last Call period for Media Source Extensions (MSE) closed on Wed May 22
16:07:09 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0001.html
16:07:31 paulc: will create now LC draft
16:08:14 glenn: notes new bugs coming from OIPF
16:08:27 paulc: has made those folks aware of pre-LC timing
16:08:36 paulc: they decided to file bugs
16:09:11 MSE bugs: http://tinyurl.com/6pdnzej
16:09:27 paulc: see link above
16:09:44 ... 23 bugs, most filed recently, some technical
16:09:52 ... pre-LC has had a good effect
16:10:00 ... Media TF will take up
16:10:08 CfC: stop work on "HTML: The Markup Language" and "HTML5: Edition for Web Authors" closed on Thu May 23
16:10:08 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0069.html
16:10:25 paulc: this closes tonight midnite Eastern, no objection so far
16:10:40 ... if passes, then candidate docs ready for pubs as WG Notes
16:10:47 ... links went out earlier this week
16:10:51 ... here:
16:10:59 See ready to go WG Notes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0087.html
16:11:09 topic: New Calls this Week
16:11:24 CfC: Publish three heartbeat drafts as WDs closes Tue May 28
16:11:24 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0085.html
16:11:44 paulc: chairs have been working on this, and thanks to editors for breaking through tech issues
16:11:51 ... closes on Tuesday next week
16:12:01 ... if passes will publish on TR page next week
16:12:12 CfC: Publish main element extension specification as WG Note closes Tue May 28
16:12:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0086.html
16:12:40 paulc: has been folded into 5.1 and 5.0, will take doc on TR page and turn into WG Note
16:12:56 ... will indicate no longer active developed doc
16:13:02 ... will use this for future similar cases
16:13:18 +tantek
16:13:18 CfC: remove Microdata from HTML 5.0
16:13:31 paulc: in agenda, shows link
16:13:44 CfC: remove Microdata from HTML 5.0, incorporate Microdata into 5.1, publish Microdata doc as a W3C note
16:13:44 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0000.html
16:13:50 paulc: above is original link
16:13:59 paulc: expressed some concerns
16:14:13 s/expressed/tantek expressed/
16:14:29 paulc: Charles wants work to proceed
16:14:35 ... discussion is ongoing
16:14:46 See discussion thread at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0099.html
16:14:55 Tantek's response against continuing work on Microdata
16:14:55 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0139.html
16:15:05 Charles' response for continuing work on Microdata
16:15:05 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0099.html
16:15:05 Status: Chairs currently recommend that we let this dialogue continue.
16:15:10 paulc: any comments?
16:15:42 tantek: if there are supporters, then they need to do the work...
16:15:52 ... i.e., implementation support work
16:16:03 paulc: notes that just restates what was in email
16:16:14 ... needs to let dialog continue for a while
16:16:52 topic: Task Force Reports
16:16:55 -tantek
16:16:55 Accessibility Task Force
16:17:15 janina: continue to meet
16:17:30 ... coordinating activities ... edits to ALT attribute section of spec
16:17:50 ... in ARIA mappings document, could wait for ALT attribute work
16:18:03 ... some folks are away this week
16:18:39 ... biggest item: coordination of spec testing related to a11y features
16:18:49 Note: paulc_ my comment was genuine. I have no objection to continuing discussions and my vote of confidence in the chairs to guide it is also genuine. I'll speak up again if I have new information to provide in the topic. Thanks.
16:18:51 ... paulc will help with this
16:19:11 paulc: notes CfC in TF on longdesc
16:19:52 janina: published in Feb, bugs processed, some handled, some changes performed
16:20:15 ... preparing for LC on doc, but wants to do new WD (stablization draft)
16:20:23 ... i.e., a pre-LC
16:21:12 ... then TF facilitators will request spec work from HTML Eds once process completed
16:21:35 ... expect request within a week
16:21:44 Testing Task Force
16:22:04 We met on 5/21 as planned
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16:22:17 Here is the IRC logs http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-htmlt-irc
16:22:45 s/krit/krisk/
16:22:52 s/krit/krisk/g
16:23:09 krisk: encourages attendance at upcoming TTWF in Tokyo
16:23:11 Media Task Force
16:23:18 Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2013May/0002.html
16:23:26 paulc: met on tuesday
16:23:33 TF minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0113.html
16:23:54 paulc: spent last meeting on EME bugs, some long outstanding
16:24:02 Meeting just made sure we didn't have violent disagreement about GitHub organization 'master' and 'cr' branches in the 'web platform tests'
16:24:19 ... issued 9-10 new AIs to resolve
16:24:28 ... will meet again (on EME) in 2 weeks
16:24:39 ... MSE will meet this upcoming Tuesday
16:24:54 MSE bugs: http://tinyurl.com/6pdnzej
16:24:56 ... pre-LC has ended, with ~20 bugs filed
16:25:22 paulc: MSE folks will focus on these new bugs, then prepare WD for LC
16:25:35 paulc: AOB
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