11:39:32 RRSAgent has joined #mlw-lt 11:39:33 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-irc 11:39:36 meeting: MLW-LT WG 11:39:38 chair: felix 11:39:40 scribe: tbd 11:39:48 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013May/0209.html 11:41:37 regrets: dom, dave, jörg 11:41:40 present+ fsasaki 11:41:47 topic: roll call 11:41:52 checking attendance ... 11:41:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 11:55:26 renat has joined #mlw-lt 11:55:41 present+ renat 11:58:26 pedro has joined #mlw-lt 11:59:05 Yves_ has joined #mlw-lt 11:59:17 present++ Yves 12:01:03 present+ Yves 12:01:05 present+ pedro 12:01:20 Jirka has joined #mlw-lt 12:01:32 present+ Jirka 12:01:43 present+ phil 12:02:13 Des has joined #mlw-lt 12:02:24 scribe: fsasaki 12:02:25 present+ Des 12:02:33 topic: Infoshare - your place to give infos about what has happened last week 12:02:42 Ankit has joined #mlw-lt 12:02:44 Serge has joined #mlw-lt 12:02:49 present+ Ankit 12:02:55 Hi 12:02:55 topic: 1) Dublin f2f and ITS 2 showcase 12:03:03 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Dublin_June_2013_f2f_and_showcase#18_June_morning:_ITS_2.0_showcase 12:03:56 felix: please confirm by Thursday 23 May eob europe "your" slot / participation 12:04:08 chriLi has joined #mlw-lt 12:04:10 .. we will make a public announcement on the w3c homepage, have a registration page 12:04:17 present+ chriLi 12:04:41 des: list of external people? 12:04:53 felix: we will distirbute the program via w3c page / cngl / ... 12:05:00 .. idea is nto to get many people 12:05:15 .. have a registration and see who will register 12:05:24 .. probably will have more technical people 12:05:38 .. pedro had sent a layout with "business slots" 12:05:54 .. not sure if we would have the right people for that in dublin 12:05:54 leroy has joined #mlw-lt 12:06:11 topic: 2) ITS Logo 12:06:18 http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/ITS2.0_Logo 12:06:50 pedro: if everybody agrees with phil's proposal 12:06:51 tadej has joined #mlw-lt 12:07:08 .. we should just send the draft to somebody who is a graphic professional and go ahead 12:07:30 phil: jirka said that the "dublin core" tag line 12:07:37 .. when you shrink the logo the line will get lost 12:07:50 .. we could have several versions - one for larger , one for smaller scale 12:08:08 .. jirka said that the 2.0 might not be needed when shrinking down 12:08:35 .. I thought the ITS2.0 gives a symetries also it fits well to the font 12:08:40 pedro: agree 12:08:54 mdelolmo has joined #mlw-lt 12:09:05 .. if tomorrow there is a version 2.1, 2.x, the new updated logo can easily be updated with the new version 12:09:09 present+ mdelolmo 12:09:17 .. indicating both the logo and the version is good 12:09:31 .. if you search for ITS 2.0 you get more things reltaed to ITS 12:09:45 serge: colors on the top are a little bit dimmed 12:09:56 .. one may ligthen them 12:09:59 pedro: sure 12:10:07 .. I created them by using teh MLW colors 12:10:18 .. that wouldn't stop us from makign the brighter 12:10:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:10:44 +1 for bright colors 12:10:50 pedro: should use some money for the final art of the logo 12:11:26 felix: everybody ok withteh logo and givng it to professional designer? 12:12:08 present+ leroy 12:12:11 action: felix to find a designer to make the professional logo 12:12:11 Created ACTION-531 - Find a designer to make the professional logo [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-29]. 12:12:39 des: tag line looks off balanced 12:13:04 topic: Adobe to describe current state of implementation 12:14:09 des: goal is to discuss state of implementation from Adobe 12:14:35 .. will discuss implementation, current state, and the deliverables / coming months 12:14:54 .. implementation prospoal based around adobe experience manager 12:15:14 .. cq is CMS system, we proposed ITS2 into foundation layers that build up CQ 12:16:06 Milan has joined #mlw-lt 12:16:13 present+ Milan 12:17:10 des explainign the relation between adobe experience mamanger , CRX and apache jackrabbit 12:17:21 and how ITS2 fits into here 12:17:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:18:11 present+ tadej 12:18:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:18:34 des: development has started, work on two data categories: translate and loc note 12:18:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:21:07 looking at project time line (current version) - sprint based development. 1st prototype in june, 2nd prototype in july, 3rd in august, release in september 12:21:54 des: focus on HTML, global rules, no XML at this point 12:22:24 .. will demo in the group 19 June 12:25:38 present+ serge 12:25:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:26:09 felix will distribute the slides 12:26:29 topic: 4) Logrus to describe current state of implementation 12:27:40 dF has joined #mlw-lt 12:27:51 renat: preview tools needed for end users of ITS2 12:27:54 present+ dF 12:28:07 .. so that they know what is inside XLIFF / HTML files, since you cannot see the metadata easily 12:28:13 will join audio soon.. 12:28:18 .. primary goal of project is visualizatino of metadata 12:28:22 ok 12:28:39 .. and to make metadata accessibility in translation tools 12:28:59 .. also to make metadata avail. in browers, so that customization is easier 12:29:14 .. project components: several visual designers to render metadata in browser 12:29:18 .. javascript 12:29:25 .. navigation of content in browser 12:29:55 .. we will develop conversion algorithms: XML+ITS > HTML5+ITS 12:30:00 .. XLIFF+ITS > HTML5+ITS 12:30:06 .. XML+ITS > XLIFF+ITS 12:30:17 .. HTML+ITS > HTML5+ITS 12:32:08 .. development status of visual designs - example screen shots 12:33:49 renat explaining the visual layout 12:33:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:34:42 s/layout/layouts/ 12:34:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:37:35 renat: sample files will be completed by the end of may 12:37:45 .. file conversion will be ready by the end of september 12:37:52 s/conversion/conversion algorithm/ 12:38:03 renat: xml conversion should be ready by July + August 12:38:15 .. visualization scripts should be completed by the end of june 12:38:42 .. issues to be addresses: "Tranlsation" of XPath expressions from source XML to target HTML files 12:39:01 .. if ITS rules contains a "selector" attribute it refers to XML elements 12:39:26 .. in HTML file the reference to names in XPath expressions needs to be replaced by e.g. "span" 12:39:35 .. in XLIFF we need to use MRK instead of span 12:39:53 .. selection between span and div in output html 12:40:02 .. and merging of ITS rules into interal list of rules 12:40:27 .. that is parsing of [recursive?] list of rules 12:41:03 .. also issues related to visualization. Reneding of local + standoff markup, merging of rules, hyperlinks of embedded metadata 12:41:13 .. highlighting of active ITS items 12:41:19 .. parsing nested ITS metadata 12:41:37 .. differences in java script implementations between browsers 12:41:45 .. navigation through content and ITS items 12:41:58 .. fragmentation of content to avoid large pieces of text to be displayed 12:42:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:43:54 renat demoing examples 12:44:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:45:05 tadej has joined #mlw-lt 12:48:07 felix: can you make the visualization part available by the end of june? 12:48:11 renat: yes 12:48:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 12:49:01 http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/xliff-core/v2.0/csprd01/xliff-core-v2.0-csprd01.html#d0e8773 Visualization in XLIFF 2.0 12:49:21 christian: XLIFF 2.0 draft is out for comments 12:49:34 .. the above link is also related to visualization 12:49:43 .. renat, may be worht reading for you 12:49:51 s/worht/worth/ 12:49:53 dF has joined #mlw-lt 12:50:05 One question: is the Logrus implementation for XLIFF 1.2 or 2.0? 12:50:37 renat: will implement 1.2 of XLIFF 12:50:43 ok thanks Renate 12:51:23 david: public review will be over by 29 May, please send comments asap 12:51:39 .. there will be a second review, but we would like to have comments during the first period 12:51:41 topic: 5) "Elements Within Text" defaults in HTML5 12:51:48 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013May/0182.html 12:52:12 http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/dom.html#phrasing-content-1 12:53:15 felix: asking if people have comments on the 182 mail or agree with it? 12:53:41 sure 12:54:24 action: yves to make elements within text edits and create example file, reflecting http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013May/0182.html mail 12:54:24 Created ACTION-532 - Make elements within text edits and create example file, reflecting http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013May/0182.html mail [on Yves Savourel - due 2013-05-29]. 12:54:38 topic: 6) Section 1-2 - how to move forward 12:57:10 felix: propose to have editors calls about section 1-2 in the next three weeks 12:57:16 david: agree 12:57:36 christian: me too 12:57:58 .. will put my edits into the ODD, that will generate the CVS mails 12:58:34 action: felix to schedule editors calls 12:58:34 Created ACTION-533 - Schedule editors calls [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-29]. 12:59:26 topic: 7) XLIFF mapping layout and prefix (5 min) 12:59:43 http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_1.2_Mapping 12:59:47 http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping 12:59:59 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2013May/0021.html 13:00:20 "itsxlf" 13:00:58 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Dublin_June_2013_f2f_and_showcase#18_June_morning:_ITS_2.0_showcase 13:01:23 Jirka has left #mlw-lt 13:01:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 13:07:50 renat has left #mlw-lt 13:43:55 rrsagent, bye 13:43:55 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-actions.rdf : 13:43:55 ACTION: felix to find a designer to make the professional logo [1] 13:43:55 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-irc#T12-12-11 13:43:55 ACTION: yves to make elements within text edits and create example file, reflecting http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013May/0182.html mail [2] 13:43:55 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-irc#T12-54-24 13:43:55 ACTION: felix to schedule editors calls [3] 13:43:55 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-mlw-lt-irc#T12-58-34