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20:29:42 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
20:29:42 <trackbot> Date: 16 May 2013
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20:30:47 <Zakim> +Krit
20:31:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:31:09 <heycam> Zakim, [ is me
20:31:09 <Zakim> +heycam; got it
20:31:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:31:45 <ed> Zakim, [IP is me
20:31:45 <Zakim> +ed; got it
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20:32:47 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013AprJun/0106.html
20:33:44 <Zakim> +??P3
20:33:52 <Cyril> zakim, P3 is me
20:33:52 <Zakim> sorry, Cyril, I do not recognize a party named 'P3'
20:33:57 <Cyril> zakim, ??P3 is me
20:33:57 <Zakim> +Cyril; got it
20:34:04 <Zakim> +Tav
20:34:09 <Zakim> +nikos
20:34:23 <Cyril> Cyril has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013AprJun/0106.html
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20:36:34 <heycam> Scribe: Cameron
20:36:37 <heycam> ScribeNick: heycam
20:36:40 <heycam> Chair: Erik
20:37:01 <heycam> Topic: SVG 2 Requirement Commitments
20:37:01 <Thomas_Smailus> yes
20:37:10 <krit> Zakim, aaaa is Thomas_Smailus
20:37:11 <Zakim> +Thomas_Smailus; got it
20:37:22 <heycam> CM: I'd like to know what things people think they can get done for the next publication of SVG 2
20:37:24 <Thomas_Smailus> they are rebuilding the floor below, so lots of drilling and hammering so I shift in and out of mute
20:37:33 <heycam> … and discuss when a good publication date aim would be
20:37:45 <heycam> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Commitments
20:38:29 <heycam> CM: I think I can get the stroke dash adjustment done for the next draft
20:38:37 <heycam> … we discussed ideas for it a couple of years ago
20:39:18 <heycam> Tav: I have the hatches almost ready to go in, just need a couple more examples
20:39:36 <heycam> … we'll still have to discuss how to have multiple paint servers
20:39:47 <heycam> … we talked about that in Switzerland, but we never came up with a way to do it
20:39:55 <heycam> … to have crosshatching, or on top of other paints
20:40:36 <heycam> ED: The non-scaling stroke is done
20:42:56 <heycam> CM: Dirk, the transforms on <svg>
20:44:10 <heycam> Dirk: there are a couple of issues to decide, what it means to put transform="" on the root <svg>
20:44:17 <heycam> CM: would be good to have an example showing transform="" on <svg> too
20:44:49 <heycam> Dirk: I plan to do it before/during the F2F
20:45:41 <heycam> CM: what about a mid-July next draft?
20:45:54 <heycam> Dirk: that would be fine
20:48:07 <heycam> CM: I'll mail the list with a plan
20:48:38 <heycam> Topic: foreignObject
20:48:39 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013May/0043.html
20:48:55 <heycam> ED: In SVG, it's listed as neither a graphics element nor a container element
20:49:04 <heycam> … that means that some properties that normally apply to SVG elements don't apply to foreignObject
20:49:06 <heycam> … which is a bit strange
20:49:24 <heycam> … I think it would be good to state in the spec that things like filter, mask, clip-path, etc. all apply to foreignObject
20:49:31 <heycam> … the easiest way to do that would be to make it a graphics element
20:49:36 <heycam> … that'd make all of those properties apply
20:49:54 <heycam> … and from the SVG point of view, I think foreignObject should be treated like an opaque or bitmap area anyway
20:50:05 <heycam> … even though it contains foreign content, SVG should still apply to the output of rendering that content
20:50:10 <heycam> CM: I think that makes sense
20:50:24 <heycam> ED: I can take an action do to that change
20:50:32 <heycam> ACTION: Erik to make foreignObject a graphics element
20:50:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3492 - Make foreignObject a graphics element [on Erik Dahlström - due 2013-05-23].
20:52:04 <heycam> CM: I think we should define in the spec how HTML child content of foreignObject works
20:53:27 <heycam> … we don't say anything about it at the moment
20:53:43 <heycam> ED: what you do with multiple child HTML elements of <foreignObject> is a good issue
20:55:37 <heycam> ACTION: Erik to define how HTML in foreignObject works
20:55:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3493 - Define how HTML in foreignObject works [on Erik Dahlström - due 2013-05-23].
20:55:53 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013May/0044.html
20:55:57 <heycam> Topic: view element content model
20:56:06 <heycam> ED: I'd like to include animation elements inside <view>
20:56:13 <heycam> … the <view> element has a number of animatable attributes
20:56:27 <heycam> … doesn't really make sense to disallow <animate>, <set>, etc. children
20:56:31 <heycam> Dirk: how is it restricted?
20:56:39 <heycam> ED: the content model says only descriptive element children
20:56:45 <heycam> … you can still target the animation from outside...
20:56:55 <heycam> Dirk: the <view> element inherits from SVGElement, yes?
20:56:56 <heycam> CM: yes
20:57:19 <heycam> ED: I wouldn't think there are any implementations that don't handle animation elements here
20:57:24 <heycam> CM: sounds fine to me
20:57:34 <heycam> ACTION: Erik to allow animation element children of <view>
20:57:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3494 - Allow animation element children of <view> [on Erik Dahlström - due 2013-05-23].
20:59:53 <Thomas_Smailus> OK, gotta go to my staff meeting.. dropping off.  Cheers.
21:00:01 <Zakim> -Thomas_Smailus
21:03:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> are we on now?
21:03:18 <richardschwerdtfeger> oy
21:03:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> I am off an hour
21:03:30 <heycam> s/in a/for the/
21:04:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:04:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, +[IPcaller is Rich
21:04:52 <Zakim> sorry, richardschwerdtfeger, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller'
21:05:31 <richardschwerdtfeger> thx
21:05:47 <Zakim> -nikos
21:06:43 <Zakim> +nikos
21:09:49 <heycam> Topic: tabindex
21:10:23 <heycam> RS: I created a section in the Interaction chapter of SVG 2 that deals with sequential focus navigation
21:10:34 <heycam> … I intentionally grabbed the text from HTML5 so the processing was the same
21:10:45 <heycam> … we're a bit different in the way we specify our attributes, we have a table format
21:11:08 <heycam> … I took the HTML spec bits and adapted it for our needs
21:11:15 <heycam> … there are a couple of issues I need to resolve in terms of definitions
21:11:22 <heycam> … don't know whether we just want to put those in our spec
21:12:35 <heycam> … there are "in a document" and "document being rendered" terms that are used in HTML
21:12:40 <ed> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/interact.html#Focus
21:12:44 <heycam> … we could have our own definitions that match theirs
21:14:26 <heycam> CM: I think I should have a read through of the changes to get an idea of whether to link to HTML or define in SVG
21:14:36 <heycam> RS: I haven't gotten to the Document object changes yet
21:14:40 <heycam> … probably we'd want that for the next WD
21:14:49 <heycam> … do we have a focus method?
21:14:54 <heycam> CM: no, SVG doesn't have one
21:15:09 <heycam> RS: when you do tabindex="-1", it means the author can focus the element with a method
21:15:23 <Zakim> -Cyril
21:15:36 <heycam> … we also discussed making the handlers match HTML5
21:15:44 <heycam> … e.g. we don't have onblur etc.
21:15:47 <heycam> … we have DOMFocusOut
21:16:26 <heycam> … so we discussed deprecating those
21:16:32 <ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/svgudom.html#svg__SVGSVGElement does have some methods for setting focus
21:16:46 <heycam> ACTION: Cameron to review tabindex changes
21:16:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3495 - Review tabindex changes [on Cameron McCormack - due 2013-05-23].
21:16:55 <heycam> ED: SVG Tiny 1.2 does have some DOM methods for setting focus
21:16:59 <heycam> … not sure how much we should care about that though
21:17:20 <heycam> … one of them takes a motion argument
21:17:36 <heycam> … I think in Opera we just internally mapped them to HTML ones, with minor changes on top
21:17:50 <heycam> RS: so you'd do .focus() internally?
21:17:51 <heycam> ED: yes
21:17:59 <heycam> RS: I think we'll need to do something like that to be consistent, so that makes sense
21:18:17 <heycam> … I talked with Doug the other day, he was going to start working on the SVG Tiny navigation
21:19:08 <heycam> ED: in SVG Tiny you have to get the root <svg> element, then call setFocus() with the element you want to focus
21:19:14 <heycam> … which is a bit backwards compared to HTML's ones
21:19:21 <heycam> … I think it's nicer to have the HTML one
21:19:46 <heycam> CM: I think we shouldn't integrate the SVG Tiny methods
21:20:01 <heycam> ED: at least we shouldn't have methods on SVGSVGElement like this
21:21:48 <Zakim> -ed
21:21:49 <Zakim> -Rich
21:21:49 <Zakim> -Krit
21:21:51 <Zakim> -heycam
21:21:53 <Zakim> -Tav
21:21:53 <Zakim> -nikos
21:21:54 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG(SVG1)4:30PM has ended
21:21:54 <Zakim> Attendees were Krit, [IPcaller], heycam, ed, Cyril, Tav, nikos, +1.425.373.aaaa, Thomas_Smailus, Rich
21:22:15 <heycam> Zakim, who is on the call?
21:22:15 <Zakim> apparently GA_SVGWG(SVG1)4:30PM has ended, heycam
21:22:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see Cyril, Zakim, RRSAgent, krit, cabanier, heycam, TabAtkins, Tav, ed, trackbot, plinss, pdr, nikos, stearns
21:22:29 <heycam> trackbot, end telcon
21:22:29 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
21:22:30 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
21:22:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
21:22:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-svg-minutes.html trackbot
21:22:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
21:22:38 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-svg-actions.rdf :
21:22:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik to make foreignObject a graphics element [1]
21:22:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-svg-irc#T20-50-32
21:22:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik to define how HTML in foreignObject works [2]
21:22:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-svg-irc#T20-55-37
21:22:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik to allow animation element children of <view> [3]
21:22:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-svg-irc#T20-57-34
21:22:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Cameron to review tabindex changes [4]
21:22:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-svg-irc#T21-16-46